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Apr 29, 04
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this forum is all about being bias.....and being haters....it makes me so mad............and if you are not one of them..... they will gang up on you..no doubt.....i've experienced it many times on this board lol 
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Apr 29, 04
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it's true.. if you somehow like Solid parties, they'll hate you. hot karl: anyways i'll give u some enlightening... they were shy brothers... shy brothers = ben and mike uh oh productions merged with shy brothers... so why keep it as Shy Brothers.. when there's now more than just ben and mike running the show? hence Solid Productions kuz they have now released some vinyl as well... and Solid means more than just ben and mike.. but of uh oh as well. i don't enlighten you kuz i am solid's #1 fan. i englighten you kuz you are a dumb shit raver like me. and no one cares about the fuckin customers if they know their product will sell anyway.
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Apr 29, 04
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honestly i could see any one of the 3 promotion groups doing this
and here are my "conspiracy theories" on each twisted - to get back at solid for a lot of burnt bridges in the past, obviously they knew solid has no public relations whatsoever (i mean look at how everyone automatically points there fingers @ solid). and look how quick twisted was to jump on the oppurtunity to say it wasnt them, i mean thanks for the info, but it really doesnt make you look less guilty, in my eyes anyways. solid - and in this theory its just mike and ben, because they seem to be the more shadier of the group. so, basically to get some money, rumours have it that they spent $35,000 @ a tom lee a few weeks before the part (but to contradict that ive also heard they have plenty of shady business' in europe to pay for things). to get back to the point, everyone knows that solid and twisted dont like each other, if your not blind anyways. mike and ben could have just been trying to stir up some contraversy and probably assumes that people would just point there fingers @ twisted, which it didnt, also they have 2 parties planned within the next two months, they could have used some funding for those. the thing i dont get is that no one has said anything on their part. which to me, after reading the twisted statement, is something that has to be done. plaza - k first off, i pretty much know shit about bao, so this is probably not the case but hey im on a role. NO ONE in the raver world (except promoters and nammers) knows alot about bao, rarely sees him and so on. doesnt bao have control over most of the party? so why werent there barcode scanners? wouldnt that have been his job? also he has the perfect cover, no one knows him really, no one has mentioned plaza in this entire thread. it would have been a piece of cake for him to have done this, leaving twisted and solid to fend for themselves. also it was the last plaza party, plaza has been losing money for yrs, he probably could have used some extra cash, as anyone could. but hey before you listen to me, this thing is never going to come to an end, and alot of people knew that before this whole thing started, thus it could really be anyone. and anyone who had a general knowledge of the "raver world" could easily see that this thing would be blown out of proportion and fingers would automatically been pointed, letting them and the money slide right underneath our noses yeah, im on crack.
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Apr 30, 04
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Now... in response to your "conspiracy theory" on Twisted: 1.) What possible benefit do we get for getting back at anyone in the scene including The Shy Bros? The scene as it is now, is fragile and therefore promotions companies should not behave in that fashion - Twisted does not. In fact, promotions companies should be pulling together to support one another and each others various events. We have done this with Dave (AGROCulture), La Costa Nost. (Rick Mezey), Unconscious Bros. (Kamal & Harp) just to name a few. -- It's for the betterment of the scene in general - the big picture so to speak. 2.) Twisted has been around now for almost eight years... What possible benefit would we gain in doing something like this? Absolutely nothing especially given the crime itself is Grand Fraud which is a felony and thus would lead to jail time for anyone involved. 3.) You bet that myself and Twisted was quick to jump on the opportunity to communicate our position to everyone... why? Simply put, we aren't guilty, we didn't do it and it is certainly in our best interest to find out who the guilty party is. For this reason, why not keep everyone in the loop as to what is going on each step of the way? As our paying customer, it is their right to know! Finally, it is the ethical thing to do as well. Most everyone that knows me knows that with this or any issue, challenge or question, that I have ALWAYS addressed it immediately and dealt with it publically or not. Since this incident impacted so many people, posting the types of things that I did utilizing the Internet and forums like this seemed to be one of the best things to do to get the word out quickly. Anyway... I just wanted to voice my response to reference to your "consipiracy theory" on Twisted. Feel free to message me or email me directly with any specific questions.
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Apr 30, 04
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i like how you had nothing to say about the other 2 promotion companies....
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Apr 30, 04
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- And yes, I did't comment on the Shy. Bros/Solid or the Plaza of Nations because 1.) it isn't appropriate and 2.) the investigation that is currently in progress (which includes all three of those companies you mentioned) will yield its own results.
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Apr 30, 04
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what does my identity have to do with anything? i made a post, i didnt say anyone did it, i was just speaking "theories" i didnt say "HEY TWISTED DID IT" i just pointed out different pov's. to be quite honest i think the theory on twisted was the weaker of the 3, if u read it you will see i have no actual facts, its all based on rumours and heresay. its pretty much like reading the national inquirer, but i dont have any incriminating pictures.
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Apr 30, 04
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Cheers.
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Apr 30, 04
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I think anyone speculating conclusions without any facts is aiding in drawing wrong conclusions by many others. In a board like this where people are comming for purely the facts to find out what happenend and what is the current situation of this predicament. Thus far Kraig has simpy relaid the facts that are known to him to keep the rave community informed to the best of his abilities. Which I have alot of respect for as someone has to take the bull by the horns and noone other than Kraig decided to step up to the plate. Form and kaos is an open playground an everyone is entitled to their opinion but creating more specualation and rumors that are based on no facts does not help anyone individually and most definetly not for the scene as a whole. The cities and districts paint a bad enough picture of this scene based on rumors and non factual statements I think it is a shame that people from within the scene that should be cherishing it add to this problem. And just for common information I know everyone involved in this situation very well and until I have seen some eveidence from the VPD I choose not to take sides, but I do like to be informed on the facts!!!!!!
That's my two cents. G
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Apr 30, 04
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I was acually talking about this whole issue with someone in Laramy and I began to think that the people with Plaza could have very well been the ones behind this. They released tickets, as far as I know they had access to printing them, and they had control over all of security and what security's methods were for denying people's entry. I can't wait to see who's behind all this. If it's Plaza nothing with happen to the scene because we can't party there anymore. If it is Solid the scene will go back to when they weren't here, whether that be good or not; I don't know.
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Apr 30, 04
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*sigh*
I did it OK. Lost my job, needed the funds to help pay for my summer wakeboarding activities in Seattle and my out of control OJ habit. Constable Dudley Do-Wright is on his way to take my statement within the hour. I'm sorry. I hope I can make it all up to you people.
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Apr 30, 04
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Where have you been man?
I've already held a few afterhours at my place already.
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Apr 30, 04
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BREAKS!??!?
Maybe that is why you haven't been invited yet. :c-tard:
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Apr 30, 04
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hey i still gotta come back and finish off dune!
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Apr 30, 04
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Kraig - Just one thing I was wondering: What happens to the people who got ripped on fake tix and do not log on to FnK? (you have probably said something about it already) but I was just curious.
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Apr 30, 04
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why wont theories do me any good? all ideas start off as theories until someone can prove them,
ie. gravity, it was a theory, then newton proved it. not a very hard concept to understand and what would you have to say if the police found twisted to be guilty? anyways enough of this bickering. i said what i said, it wasnt like i hurt anyones feelings
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Apr 30, 04
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he was all like "Oh! 'the truth' doesnt like me!! whoa is me! whoa whoa whoa!" i kid you not. true story..ask mchammered!
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gotta love the fight for wit it never gets old
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PLUR!!!
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