Stage setup idea

[Holidazed]

I'm not sure if this has ever been done before...but I came up with this idea while walking in between the stages at apex.

What would it be like to set up 2 stages...facing each other with a dance area in between...and have the stages about 100-200 feet apart? different PA systems and 2 different DJs, creating one music mix. I think if a couple dj's could pull it off all night it would be wicked. constant layering of tracks and samples.

I thought of it because when walking in between the stages (or chilling in my tent which was between 2 very loud stages, I forget which), the mix of the 2 stages sounded Aweful! conflicting pouncing bass beats, too many highs, it just sounded like noise. but i was thinking that if the 2 djs were in sync with each other and could play tracks that would mix together from a distance, dancing in the middle area would be an awesome experience. not to mention feeling 2 walls of bass pounding on either side of you. Boodang stage x2!

any thoughts?

[Akeel]

wiring nightmare.
impossible to communicate.

could be done...but not advisable.

[Holidazed]

why would the wiring be any more dificult than settup 2 stages near each other at Apex outside?

and as far as communication..it would just take extreme dj skills by a couple of people who were used to mixing with each other and knew each others track selections. it would be sort of like a live show (ever seen Orbital or Union Jack play?). the djs would just have to listen to what the other way playing through the monitors and headphones and then add to the mix.

[Akeel]

i dont have time right now to explain the logistics to you.

in short..you have them setup across from each other its not like they can lean over and talk to each other.

wiring a system like that could be done a number of ways, but your forgetting that each stage was INDEPENDENT not joined together...so your taking 2 stages and slamming them together..that means double the wiring..on top of that you have 4 different sources for left and right channels...blah blah blah...i'm going home now...suffice it to say...i dont see the point of doing it.

[Boomtown]

i don't think it would sound good, if the stages were that far apart... even if, hypothetically, the djs on either end were able to mix in sync with each other, it would only sound tight to the people right in the middle. once you got a few meters closer to one stage, the delay from the other one would be noticeable. sound doesn't travel that quickly.

[soma]

there are serious issues with syncing up the pa's you would likely only have a smal area with in the dance area that would sound right on.

like you noticed when walking around apex... 80% of the dance area will not sound like a tight mix between the two stages.

In Jamaican Dub culture and early East coast hip hop parties the djs/ selecters would bring their own sounds system and battle the other djs for the title of having the larger/louder system.

now that would be a sight to see again.

[Rytalin]

Originally Posted by Akeel

wiring nightmare.
impossible to communicate.

could be done...but not advisable.

As long as both DJs are playing stuff around the same bpm, it wouldn't really be too hard. They just have to be willing to work together.

I mean you would need to crosswire the tape outs on both mixers into a channel on the other one, for monitoring, so you'd need a bunch of cable, but other than that I don't see how it'd be such a nightmare.
(well unless you forget to tell all djs NOT to turn up the feed from the other's mixer on their own mains... although that could be kind of fun too :))

[Rytalin]

Originally Posted by soma

like you noticed when walking around apex... 80% of the dance area will not sound like a tight mix between the two stages.

Well yeah of course, because no one was trying to sync up with other stages.
You do have a point though, the delay factor could mess things up... maybe you'd just have to put the stages closer together.

one at the front of the dancefloor, one at the back.

[Filo]

tiem delay woudl fuck everything up.... why not just have a 2x4 wired iinto one primetime sound system... none of this 2 stage nonsense

[soma]

Originally Posted by Rytalin

one at the front of the dancefloor, one at the back.

you got it!

[Akeel]

Originally Posted by Rytalin

I mean you would need to crosswire the tape outs on both mixers into a channel on the other one, for monitoring, so you'd need a bunch of cable, but other than that I don't see how it'd be such a nightmare.
(well unless you forget to tell all djs NOT to turn up the feed from the other's mixer on their own mains... although that could be kind of fun too :))

with the distance involved you would have to do entire headphone monitoring and a lot of dj's these days are not skilled at that anymore and rely on matching to the monitors. so there's an extra wackload of cable there...and then taking two master output mixes...shoving them into something else then on to the amp racks.

this is just a horrible idea the more i think about it....although now i'm wondering what would be the best way to do it if it had to be done....