if you promise not to pray in school, i promise not to think in church

[Goodfellow]

Originally Posted by Senior

Do you really believe that God created everything???????

take your body for example. think of how INSANELY complex it is. now let's say the human mind carries the most intelligence that provingly exists. (if you don't believe in god) now.. tell me how your body could have been designed and created? something that has 1000000000x more intelligence than a human does, had to have created us. a human can't create jackshit in comparison to the human body, yet you believe nature/random chance created humans? it's madness i tell you, madness!

[wundergirl]

Originally Posted by GoodFlow

take your body for example. think of how INSANELY complex it is. now let's say the human mind carries the most intelligence that provingly exists. (if you don't believe in god) now.. tell me how your body could have been designed and created? something that has 1000000000x more intelligence than a human does, had to have created us. a human can't create jackshit in comparison to the human body, yet you believe nature/random chance created humans? it's madness i tell you, madness!

humans are a product of evolution, not a product of god. one by one religious beliefs will continue to be disproved by science until there is nothing left and humans know too much for there own good...resulting in self-destruction.



are you christian? do you believe in adam and eve? and creation? do you believe in dinosaurs? how do they fit into the whole story with the snake?

[decypher]

Originally Posted by GoodFlow

now.. tell me how your body could have been designed and created? something that has 1000000000x more intelligence than a human does

By a process that is 1000000000x more complex than the capacity of your brain is capable of understanding.


PS. open a book!

God didn't recreate all living things on this earth over and over again in order to create a fossilised timeline of bones. I believe in spirituality, the power of the earth and the universe on levels beyond our comprehension. It is this hardcore belief of "MY GOD" and no room for "YOUR GOD" that has caused so much death already. Give it up already, the intricacies of the universe cannot be explained by some man waving a wand and creating the universe like a pallet of paint. How do you explain the bones, dated at certain periods of time throughout history marking the evolution of millions of species? This process has taken billions of years; an amount of time that your brain cannot grasp.

The natives were much closer to god then we ever will be. They used hallucinagens as a tool not a recreation. They tapped into many life sources of the earth which produced much great artwork and ways of thinking. God is just a manifestation of our own insecuritys and is used as a tool to promote hate, death, power and CONTROL. If you dont believe me take a history class.

Believe what you want it affects me little, but if your truly believe in god you would not be doing drugs and having sex. I find today that people hold on to god not for the belief but for their own lack of empowerment that comes from within not an externalized source.

[Canar]

Originally Posted by Rytalin

^^Public school is really good for teaching bullshit tolerace.

Ironically, Christianity in its purest form also teaches mass tolerance (2nd greatest commandment is to love others as (much as) yourself). What a difference from its practice, eh?

[junglequeen]

Originally Posted by Senior

Do you really believe that God created everything???????

yes I do
is that wrong?

[Euro Dollar]

Originally Posted by GoodFlow

take your body for example. think of how INSANELY complex it is. now let's say the human mind carries the most intelligence that provingly exists. (if you don't believe in god) now.. tell me how your body could have been designed and created? something that has 1000000000x more intelligence than a human does, had to have created us. a human can't create jackshit in comparison to the human body, yet you believe nature/random chance created humans? it's madness i tell you, madness!

the most dumb and closed minded argument i've ever heard....

its retarded to say that for every creation there has to be a creator...

so what you're saying is... that someone that is
1000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000x smarter has created god?
I mean god couldn't have just been created by nature could he?

god is santa clouse for adults.

[Canar]

We start from three premises:

a) God exists.
b) God desires us to come to know Him (or whatever pronoun you want to use to refer to God; I'm a classicist) by faith and not by direct causality.
c) God is all-powerful.

If a believer believes in these three points, it's clear that debating God's existance is always going to result in an utter impasse. If He's all-powerful, he can make the world seem to have been formed by other means and force us to choose to believe. If He doesn't exist, we're at a functionally equivalent point. Non-believers won't be able to prove to believers that God doesn't exist.

In other words, both viewpoints are logically defensible and this debate is officially boring. :)

Edit: now if I could only properly communicate the logical reasoning process... argh. :(

[Euro Dollar]

^^ yes it is a boring debate.... who ever believes in god, imo, was brainwashed as a child.

[junglequeen]

meh
i didnt say "think how i think"
i just said "this is what i believe"
case closed

"i may not agree with a thing you say but Ill fight to the death your right to say it"

[thorn]

I figure people have choice. They can believe what they want, but shouldn't force it on others.

[Goodfellow]

Originally Posted by €uro Dollar

^^ yes it is a boring debate.... who ever believes in god, imo, was brainwashed as a child.

i sure as hell wasn't.. and i've never been to church in my life.

[Euro Dollar]

its not about going to church, its about what all the adults talk about as you're a child... it really doesn't have to mean you been going to church.

i was in moscow in morning church every day, when i learned english i decided not to believ ein god because there were too many flaws in the theory...


***** PLEASE!
:P

[Cdn_Brdr]

You simply have to look at the entire scope of religion to be able to form an answer to all this crap. Put aside Christianity for just a moment and look at the sheer number of other faiths available for you to take in as your crutch. The argument over who's right will never end....at least not in the society we know today.

For people who do use some form of religion as a crutch I say all the power to them. If there is something in your life that you hold enough faith in to make you a better person then by all means, have at it. Countless people have used their faith in religion to become better parents, clean up off drugs or alcohol etc. If anything using religion as a crutch is much better than using crack as a crutch.

As for my personal belief system, thats pretty simple. Well it is to my eyes at least. I think you'd have to be naive to say two things:

1) My religion is right and yours is wrong.... see you in hell. Give me a break. With the multitude of faiths in this world we will never be sure of who is right and who is wrong until the day we die. We'll have all our answers at about 6 feet under.

2) There is no such thing as God. While I respect the opinion of a true atheist I have a really hard time believing it myself. I don't tie myself to any religion, I don't believe you have to go to church to believe in some form of higher power but I do beleive that we didn't just get here on our own. Bottom line for me is that there has to be something more intelligent than I and I'd be a fool to think that everything we see today just kind of got here with no real reason.

[Rhianna]

Originally Posted by Canar

Ironically, Christianity in its purest form also teaches mass tolerance (2nd greatest commandment is to love others as (much as) yourself). What a difference from its practice, eh?

Hmmmm...Christianity and tolerance used together. Interesting.

It is too bad I don't see that happen very often.

[Supersonic]

ugh the evolution theory vs. the teachings of Jesus debate.... nobody is right and nobody is wrong cuz nobody knows

there is no need to dog on other peoples beliefs. I believe that spirituality can be one of the absolute (if not THE) strongest force that motivates people to live and do what they do. i've concluded over the course of my life that whatever i believe in is for me to know and to share with like minded people.

there is no need to assimilate people into your religion on a rave message board. because i find it hard to believe many people here actually have real ambitions to do well interdependently rather that this self interested selfish life.... a pursuit of self-pleasure and ignorance to what many spiritual people call their lord's creation in which we live in.

anyways this debate is gonna go nowhere no matter what so why bother

[Wood]

Originally Posted by junglequeen

Im not a retard
I just have a different belief system than you do

i'm not questioning your belief system, i have no problem with religion.

but evolution is not a theory, it is a scientifically proven fact that is easily observable in everyday life. it is undeniable.

if you believe that your 'god' or whomever started the process, then fine by me. i'm an agnostic, i believe there may be higher powers at work that we don't understand. if the bible helps you get your head around it, power to ya.

but if you live in this world and you can't see the blatant evidence of evolution in every living thing you encounter... you are a RETARD.

[Wood]

i might add as well... it's typical christian arrogance to think that the ENTIRE scientific profession has gone to this much trouble, just to discredit your faith....

[-ff-]

Originally Posted by decypher

Well as long as they teach my kids that evolution is a "theory" then im happy.





/sarcasm

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[brokencrayon]

Originally Posted by thorn

I figure people have choice. They can believe what they want, but shouldn't force it on others.

agreed.

[Canar]

Originally Posted by Rhianna

Hmmmm...Christianity and tolerance used together. Interesting.

It is too bad I don't see that happen very often.

Totally. The few people I've met that are simultaneously tolerant and Christian are exceptional people. I'd personally consider these "true" Christians, because if you're so blind as to ignore the position Jesus gave tolerance in the faith, there's something seriously wrong.

[dabbler]

wow, this thread got out of hand. i was thinking about posting it in the humour section, cause it was just supposed to be a quirky quote, not some huge debate.

but i'm not complaining, it's interesting to hear arguments regarding religion.

personally i don't feel that "science vs releigion" is even an arguement. a real scientist will usually come to have faith in some kind of higher being, because the more you know about the way the world works, the more unbelievabe it becomes.

however, i'm not against believing in god, i'm just against going to church, or any "organized" religion. STRONGLY against it.

[Goodfellow]

Originally Posted by dabbler

wow, this thread got out of hand. i was thinking about posting it in the humour section, cause it was just supposed to be a quirky quote, not some huge debate.

but i'm not complaining, it's interesting to hear arguments regarding religion.

personally i don't feel that "science vs releigion" is even an arguement. a real scientist will usually come to have faith in some kind of higher being, because the more you know about the way the world works, the more unbelievabe it becomes.

however, i'm not against believing in god, i'm just against going to church, or any "organized" religion. STRONGLY against it.

i agree completely... the more understanding you come to about the world and the things around us, the more you start to realize all of this could not have just been random chance coincidence. but i also agree you shouldn't try to force your views onto others, i just think sharin a connection with "god" or w/e the higher bein out there is, helps your life a great deal.. that's why it sort of bothers me when somebody says "how could god exist your a stupid brainwashed kid, your parents must have brainwashed you" because personally, my parents were atheists their whole lives and we never even discussed it. as i got older, things started to happen and my beliefs 180'd .. now i have a strong belief, and they are comin around.

but anyways, you know what's interesting? even steven hawking is rethinking his whole approach to the universe after all those years..

i also have a hard time buying any religious person claiming all they are taught is RIGHT. there's just too many religions and too many ways to live your life to think one way is right. i've already blazed a huge doobie rolled with a bible paper and I ain't afraid to do it again........

[Euro Dollar]

i hate catholic religion, it has taken more lives then all wars in the history of mankind put together.

[Euro Dollar]

alot of wars happened BECAUSE of this very religion ^^

[miss.myra]

a lot of wars happened because of almost every religion.


How is hating religion, or hating someone's set of beliefs going to cause world peace any faster?

If you don't agree, fine. But don't hate.