if you promise not to pray in school, i promise not to think in church

[Séguin]

I went to Catholic school and hated every minute of it. I timed it out. just from the prayer on the morning announcments everyday. We wasted 2 and a half hours a year of standing listening to The Chaplin go on about her life as it seemed.

[Senior]

I in way discredit religion as being completely wrong. However what I do discredit is people that take the bible to serious.

Anyway as for evolution here's a neat article.

http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/...re1/index.html

Was Darwin wrong?

[thebobman]

See, here's the thing about ALL of this.

Creationists:
There's a shitload of evidence to support the evolutionary theory, hell there's a lot of stuff in the world that contradicts what the Bible tells you (Fossils in general, other planets, etc.). Realize the power of urban legend, especailly in a world when there was no global news network and everything was passed on via word of mouth.

Evolutionist:
If the creationists are right, and something or somebody created the universe, the world and the whole she-bang, what's to say they didn't create all the fossils and what not merely to test us or challange us. If this person is all powerful there's nothing to say your reality is just something else they've fabricated.
I personally take it all with a huge grain of salt, make up my own ideas and morals of how to live. I think it was best said in Kevin Smith's Domga:

"Beliefs are dangerous things, people die to defend their beliefs. Ideas you can change."

[Crazy Dave]

^ but what about people that think both are true? why be so black and white? Maybe God created life with evolution?

Originally Posted by thebobman

I personally take it all with a huge grain of salt, make up my own ideas and morals of how to live. I think it was best said in Kevin Smith's Domga:

"Beliefs are dangerous things, people die to defend their beliefs. Ideas you can change."

It's all good but some peolpe don't take evolution as an idea, it's belief to them.

[thebobman]

bingo.
I was cutting it into black and white because that's usually the two sides that argue, this nice little grey area in the middle tends to get along with eachother pretty well tho...

So comprehend, if light can bend,

nothin's to say if it's now or then.

Receive the message that I send,

not black or white, this life's a blend.

[crookedking]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dave

granted.

Mind you not every church, or person in church is a brainless puritan tard. Kinda like not all Americans are stupid, just %51 of them are.

but doesn't everyone know that 86% of statistics are false?

[crookedking]

Originally Posted by Robb Peppertre

I went to Catholic school and hated every minute of it. I timed it out. just from the prayer on the morning announcments everyday. We wasted 2 and a half hours a year of standing listening to The Chaplin go on about her life as it seemed.

you couldn't have hated every minute man! those uniforms rock!

[Euro Dollar]

i had anal sex with god... he loved it...

it was both ways.

[Crazy Dave]

^you're so ugly you have to wear a paper bag over you head what you masturbate. Yea so I don't god would fuck you even if you where the last homo on this planet.

[decypher]

Originally Posted by -ff-

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6434725/

heh FF, a fellow news reader i see.. Yeh i based my comment on that bit of news...now that i work fulltime i read the news way more... total bullshit on that, religion and school should not mix. Neither should church and state, but we dont live in a perfect world do we.

[Goodfellow]

well i don't feel like quoting and arguing, i just know for a fact there's a "presense" lookin over me because i've been guided into doing things that i know i was "meant" to do.

and i sure as hell wouldn't have started to make music if i wasn't in touch with my spiritual side. so i'll leave with a quote from my newest song :P

"searchin the darkest sides of the moon
highs and lows to find gods tune
baby if you join me you will soon
find out how to flow more intune
orchastrate fate to the states of nature
to meet street symphony i use a fader
fade in the conceited beat of success
fade out your sorry visionless mess
fade it higher damn i feel so blessed"

[Goodfellow]

also, i suggest for anyone into the spiritual shit, you HAVE to download songs by Immortal Technique. the guy's lyrical talent is UNREAL.

"hell is not a place you go if you not a christian
it's the failure of your life's greatest ambitions
it's a bad decision to blindly follow any religion
i don't see the difference inbetween the raw and the wrong"

[Goodfellow]

another thing, ADAM AND EVE hahaha oh man what a joke. evolution happened, evolution happened because of god and that's all there is to it. evolving 2 species, Righteous and cannibals. before this, there were dinosaurs, god didn't like those dinosaurs wreckin everything and bein stupid, so he threw a comet at the earth and started over by evolving humans. read up on the REAL shit and stop reading the god damn bible.

[djmarkpaul]

Now I waited for a while before I put my foot in the water here.

I'm sure you all have guessed I have much to say, and I do, but I won't say it all as I'm sure most of you would probably trail off, so let me just say this:

It doesn't seem like much of a choice, does it?


Take one example, you got this bonevolent of all tyrants god, whom cherrishes you as it's divine creation yet can't stop killing ya! For whatever reason, this god character being all powerful and all knowing just happens to be really picky about what name you use to call on the bastard. Yeah all powerful and depending on the mood you can call via Islam, or Christianity or Judiasm or *insert monotheistic belief/ruling diety here* and if you don't get it right, bam, eternal damnation. Forget about the fact that all religions spawn out of earlier belief systems, and all have occult references. That and it's really quite curious how this all powerful creator of everything that exists, just so happens to be in a consistent financial quagmire! Yeah created everything, but just so happens to gamble it all away on false prophets and free will and all that so cough up if you know what's good for you. It's kind of funny how every one of these conflicting belief systems holds the same general arrogance for one another and feeds off each other's negativity. So to imply that these religions were engineered to divide and conquer would not be far fetched, funny that's how govenrments rule countries, but that's just a coincidence, nothing to worry about darling.


Then you got the whole evolutionary debacle, which is ofcourse oh so much more different because, oh it's the big bang we figured it out! Look Ma primordial stew! That's how the human organism was created you know. Don't worry about it you're just a random accident in this cosmic game. Don't worry about sacred geometry. Golden mean, fibonacci sequence, why it's all just coincidence! Don't bother to recognize any pattern consistent throughout all nature or sense a higher power, or for that matter connect with it. And forget about all the ancient text with mathematical formulas crypted into the language, a divine understanding of the ancient world. Yeah human beings are the cutting edge you see, we're it! It's not like every ancient religious text talks about extra terrestrial or anything. Naww we're the smartest life in the universe and we got it all figured out because we have scientific fact. We all have the understanding of these facts because as compartmentalized as society is we have the time to rest our heads with the Aristotrian logic that Darwin wasn't guessing, that's why you can go to the zoo and see a half transmuted monkey-man today. The missing link, oh, well uhm, yeah it's missing, it's called logic and we're too busy knowing it.

***

Well these 2 opposites really seem more like 2 opposames. Both leave you feeling as though you are powerless, and both seem to have it all figured out in that trademark Aristotelian manner. Don't forget both passionately campaigning for each other's right to proove their opinion! There's a common trait!

So where is this society going?

When people can admit that they are at a lack of evidence, and earnestly view the "other" side's evidence unbiasedly, that's when all this silliness will stop. It's not a revolution, it's an awakening, and it's time has come. There is plenty that can disproove evolutionary theory, for example some work done at The Whitehead Biomedical Institue of Boston can disproove the traditional understanding of evolution. That aswell as a scientific understanding on exponential reproduction can make it rather clear that evolution as Darwin described it is not even a theory, but an outright lie. As for religion, don't get me started. Let me just say that whenever god's on your side, there is no point to debate with you if you think I need saving if you aren't atleast willing to question your own beliefs aswell. Creationism and religion often go together, but sometimes they don't, depends on your definition of god really.


Truthfully both sides are at a lack of evidence, and I could prattle on forever but that would be silly. I've got lots of material on occult sciences and beliefs that incorporate both a scientific and a spiritual aspect on how all came to be, but chances are no one will PM me for it. You're better off being the but end of the humanity's longest running joke.


PS

Joke's on you.

[Ragga_Wh0re]

teh lizard peoples are teh god!!!!!!!

[Goodfellow]

djmarkpaul = pm'd

[djmarkpaul]

^^You're just lookin out for your brethren, Godessa, or should I say, Godzilla!?!

[Crazy Dave]

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

Now I waited for a while before I put my foot in the water here.

I'm sure you all have guessed I have much to say, and I do, but I won't say it all as I'm sure most of you would probably trail off, so let me just say this:

It doesn't seem like much of a choice, does it?


Take one example, you got this bonevolent of all tyrants god, whom cherrishes you as it's divine creation yet can't stop killing ya! For whatever reason, this god character being all powerful and all knowing just happens to be really picky about what name you use to call on the bastard.

Or maybe that's the lie the devil wants you to think. God could be much simpler then we expect. We put all these rules on what God is or what God is not, but maybe God is just simply infinite.

[Ragga_Wh0re]

...dont hate me because im a reptilian okay!

lizard people have feelings too...and youve hurt my fnk feelings. Now i am fnk sad :(<thats me being fnk sad.

and for the record,just like i thought,in public schools prayer was banned sometime ago.However,paryer can occur within a public school if the pupils are consenting and have thier parents permission to.So all of you STFU!

[Crazy Dave]

Originally Posted by ~*goddessa*~

...dont hate me because im a reptilian okay!

lizard people have feelings too...and youve hurt my fnk feelings. Now i am fnk sad :(<thats me being fnk sad.

and for the record,just like i thought,in public schools prayer was banned sometime ago.However,paryer can occur within a public school if the pupils are consenting and have thier parents permission to.So all of you STFU!

They ban every thing thats fun any way. They even got rid of Canadian health Index from schools because it made some kids look fat stupid and out of shape. I can not even come close on the spelling but does any one else remeber those "prasisapaction" tests 1980-1986?

[Goodfellow]

Originally Posted by Shining Sal

I actually had a big discussion with one of my roomates who is religious a couple days ago... I kinda felt bad because I flipped a bit at her friend who said she switched churches because her family found out one of the nuns was a lesbian...it wasnt so much the action but the fact she said it was not a judgemental decision

See my friend does not impose any of her beliefs on me, and I have so much respect for her for that. I mean.. I was religious until grade 10.. then I started thinking for myself... I got tired of all these christian people who would say "you dont believe in jesus!! well youre going to hell!!"

If god were all powerful, why would he have the need to take vengence? I have read the quaran and the bible.. and it seems everything you do and dont do will send you to hell... so why not do waht you want, and just try and act for the greater good? If anythign I think buddhist beliefs are beautiful, but I really do not believe in Idols.

I guess I just believe in my own set of rules... and I think I am a good person, doesnt really matter what anyone else says:p

your right, it has nothing to do with jesus or any of those lies. i feel the real belief needs to be placed in yourself. if you are in tune with your self/ your soul then you are in tune with "god" and once you've got the belief set in yourself, well that's the first step towards figurin out what you were meant to do, what you love to do, and what you have ambition for. i don't believe in hell, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. anyone who believes in hell needs to seriously get their head checked, there's simply no logic to it.

[decypher]

This girl i know today said she didn't agree with Homosexuals being allowed to marry because "They should not be allowed to be married before god"
makes me so angry that some people are so ignorant, although i didn't even voice my opinion because i knew it would be pointless and just piss her off. Just because your getting married does not mean its before god. I hate people who are so blinded by their faith that they harbour ignorant conservative ideals. No wonder bush played the strings of religious groups, and now the first thing they want is that amendment. Down with choice!

[Euro Dollar]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dave

^you're so ugly you have to wear a paper bag over you head what you masturbate. Yea so I don't god would fuck you even if you where the last homo on this planet.

(sean)~God~ is the last homo on this planet... and i did fuck him...

[Senior]

Originally Posted by ~*goddessa*~

teh lizard peoples are teh god!!!!!!!

If anything I could accept alien intervention along with evolution LONG before creationism.

If you look back at ancient cultures there's all sorts of evidence to suggest extra terrestial involvement. Come on Lepricauns...

[B.Traits]

Jay you are so gay for making this thread.... look what it has turned into.... lol