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Lou belle, "FUCK THEM," jeez people like you are really ignorant and naive. Your part of the problem and its sickening that you don't realize it. "Born in a pile of shit," why is that? because of all of us and our standards of living. Ever take a history course? Heard of something called imperialism? This is just sad. Only reason they have corrupt leaders and have to kill for food is because of nations like us supplying them with weapons and raping them of resources. Get a fucking clue. It's this sort of careless glutton of an attitude that has fueled this expansion for so long. Yeh who gives a fuck that millions of people die so that you can get a fucking big mac and starbucks coffee within 6 minutes of your house.
As i see it, we are privileged enough to have the opportunity to goto school, become educated, succedd in the world. If we have this convenience to partake in all these activities, we should should give back in some way. Whether that contribution is through your thoughts, your work, your donations of money or freetime, anything. We take so much, is it so much to ask that your not such a fucking little brat? grow up. There are tonnes of political discussions on this board. If you do a search you will find a plethora of information from people who surpass your education by about 30 years... 
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Here lou this will get you started on why a lot of canadians hate bush...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4227382 http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...nt_2261031.htm Bush means no human rights. Passing bills discretely. Ever heard the Patriot Act 2? u have no freedom's in the US. Racial profilling etc etc. Selling weapons to countries that benefit their cause. IRAN-IRAQ WAR of 1980s? Militarization of space. Putin beefing up his nuclear weapons. China roaring in with a rocketing economy. New arms race. Gee sounds like a nice world we're going to have to deal with when were older. Maybe when it affects your A-B path from house to grocery store you'll finally give a shit but it won't matter anymore.
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Dec 15, 04
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this lou belle character is obviously ignorant.
she preaches about studying and writing and learning what's really going on, and then turns around and decides that because of 2 days of observing a website she understands the people on it and their education level. this person is obviously not worth the time talking too, as her brain seems to be lacking certain things, like logic.
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Dec 15, 04
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ppl please also remember that bush is not the greatest evil.
he will be gone in afew yrs, but barring some extraordinary happenings, the republicans looks 2 have a much stronger lineup in the nxt presidential election. start praying that the cult of the neocons don't have the ears of the nxt president or retain their current influence within the administration. everything from their mid east vision, imperialistic yearnings to nuclear posture is just spine chillling. they r ideological, intelligent & filled w/ zeal. herez some article 2 get u started http://www.fnk.ca/board/showthread.php?t=67007 ps those of u who do protest pls note the difference btw the american people and the american administration. screamin at our yankee visitors as i've observed at some rallie does not help the cause or foster cross border understanding. least 50% of them r stuck w/ bush the same as the rest of the world.
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Dec 15, 04
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So you don't want people to just sit around talking, but you also don't want them to get up and do anything within their means? Not every single person is a 20 something with the means to just drop their lives and 'get out there and experience things'.
What I'm not seeing in any of your posts is any sort of solution of your own, just a lot of the same 'blah blah blah' as you're bitching about.
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Dec 15, 04
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This is an interesting debate. My two cents go something like this:
I do know a few people that go to peace rallys based primarily on the hippie peace movement with little or no knowledge of the current issues at hand but just want peace. Hey it's their free time and if that's how they wish to spend it power to them. Then on the other hand theirs the organizing commitees that are usually well informed and very educated on the facts. The bottom line to it all in my opinion is do they really accomplish anything. It seemed like forawhile there people were marching for any and every cause creating less of an impact each time it happenend. 'Oh yeah there was some parade blocking traffic again!" kind of mentality. I think it's time these well educated organizers started comming up with better ways to attack the "system". Obviously marches accomplish little so why continue down a path that enevitably is going to lead you back to the same end result. For educated people you'd think that they would be able to recognize this trend of failures and find alternative solutions. Walking the streets isn't going to change anything these days its people in suits in boardrooms that change things. Become one of those or for that matter become a polatician but walking the street only brings awareness to issues most people are already aware of. P.S. CNN = American Propaganda!
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Dec 15, 04
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^i disagree that marches do nothing.
yes some people just remark: "Oh yeah there was some parade blocking traffic again." but usually that is followed by a question about what the parade/march was, thus prompting some sort of discussion or at least an acknoledgment of the purpose. even if they don't affect political decisions directly, they at least make people more aware of certain things that are going on.
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So rather than calling us all names and acting cocky lets hear your view of things.
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Dec 15, 04
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"Born in a pile of shit, why is that?"
Well, people are born in piles of shit because humans like to have sex, wether they are in shit or not. If your parents happened to be living in the slummiest slums of india or the gaza strip of palestine then so be it. I just think that instead of giving them life support from healthy countries, they should wallow in it. Humans suck, I could really care less about thousands of people dyeing even if it happened to be people that I knew. More air to breathe. I hate hearing on the news day after day sob stories about countries in need. What about animals in need, they are so much cooler anyways. I'm all for biodiversity and killing each other. I'm not greedy, I just fight for the animals. "Only reason they have corrupt leaders and have to kill for food is because of nations like us supplying them with weapons and raping them of resources." Yeah, times have changed. We don't carry water on our heads anymore. Doctors say it's bad for our backs. If they didn't have weapons, they would be multiplying like cancer cells. These people love killing, it excites them. They carry dead bodies around in the streets and shoot guns at weddings. The war in Iraq won't change the people, but it will give them what they really need, a good beating and in return, a respectable authority. Arabs respect murderous villans. They loved suddam until he ran. Arafat, another respectable Arab murderer. They want confrontation. I think that what Bush needs to do is secretly withdraw in the form of a retreat. If their leader forced a retreat, that is the only way the people will follow. "Get a fucking clue. It's this sort of careless glutton of an attitude that has fueled this expansion for so long. Yeh who gives a fuck that millions of people die so that you can get a fucking big mac and starbucks coffee within 6 minutes of your house." What? If I eat big mac's millions of people will die? It sure as hell isn't me that you saw with any label on the food that I eat, because I care about the environment. It's all organic baby. Love animals, hate people. "We take so much, is it so much to ask that your not such a fucking little brat? grow up." Friends don't let friends eat farm fish.
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What I understand so far is that people are shit and should kill each other, Arabs like to kill people, and you don't eat farmed salmon. Maybe you should even try just reading what some other people on this board have posted. Perhaps even pick a certain topic to discuss.
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Umm...the over-all point that I was making an attempt at is that our world is overpopulated. So why, if you are living a life that is considered alright, would you go out and protest for people that would like to see you killed. I mean, it's not you who is doing the killing. Just sit back and watch human kind eat itself...it is actually quite sickening, but I stomach it. Initially I said that peace marchers are ridiculous. And now I have said it again. Jeez
*HIV is good* protect yoself.
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whao.. you're a smart one!
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The rights that we have in N.A. are largely because of social movements that have believe it or revolved out direct action and protest. If you look at the environmental movement, women's rights, gay rights, racial equality, and so on it was all connected to marches and protests. You are right to say that you need powerful people in board rooms to get the contract signed and the deal done but you also need the backing of popular support. Look at how Paul Martin buckled on the issue of missile defence, something that he was in favour of but due to popular opinion being against him he had to back down. As mentioned many protest actions are simply designed to get people to talk about the issue and thus form a public opinion. My thought on is that sometimes democracy can be very time consuming and frustrating but at the end of the day I'd rather go through the process than have a dictator.
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Dec 16, 04
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I couldn't agree more. A dictator like the US have! No one person should be able to make or break laws. Marches used to have a solid impact but these days they just don't seem to have the same political and media impact. It's not like in the 60's and then again in the 80's.
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Dec 17, 04
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Wow that's really impressive that you can paint such a picture. It's even more impressive that based on that single picture you would make such judgements without any other considerations. By the way your blatant egocentric and antisocial views of the world should be cause for alarm.
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