Protesting is Illegal

[BongMan]

Originally Posted by maztraz

I'll have to disagree on one point, it does costs money to repare the damages as much as organizing these big police lines and problably even more when theres the Army(There will always be damages so that is money spend for arresting people and not to stop vendalism acts sorry)
...So we can just conclude all they want is power over our opinions, and free speech, you'll have to read the articles to give me good point, cause when it comes to war I think it should be the lasts resolution under threat....What has BUSH done with democracy? shit on it, and return it against them selfs...(Iraq)
Public opinion is just nothing for you or what?

Get violant as much as police and army can????I doubt it?

So all you care about is the cleany cities(Objects) and don't care about peoples opinions..If you think that way why should I care about your opinions???

Have you been to any manifestation to be telling that???On lasts G8 in GEneva and Lausanne a few years ago... a huge manority was arrested(included me) for what?Cause the politices don't give a fuck of your opinions and thats exactly what protesting is ment for when it comes to political economical profits....We pay taxes, we pay assurance, we fucking pay every thing and should shut our mouths...I'm sorry but thats not how I work....

And just to menchen I was one of those pacific protesters that day neither did I brake any thing, and what did I have in return?Only brutality, and hand cuffed

Thats the unfortunate you may have been peacful but others were not how are the police to know..

[automatic]

Originally Posted by Senior

.As far as the man always getting his way... shit you really, really need to study some history. Empires eventually fall, that much is certain.

...but if you study history you know that empires usually fall in a couple of different ways, either because they become too bloated and thinly spread and some other leaner, meaner civilizations storm in and takes them over, like the various "barbarian" civilizations did carving up the roman empire, or they encouver some unknown civilization that's technolgically superior that kicks their asses, like the spaniards did to the aztecs...

the modern world is a different place, there are fewer unknowns, and, more importantly, the tendrils of empire extend pretty much worldwide. there aren't any heretofore unknown mongol hordes left. other than the chinese i can't see anyone kicking the U.S. ass. so unless the U.S. collapses from within... more importantly perhaps is that the current empire is a truely postmodern structure, an empire not of colonial domination in the classic sense, but rather the result of the first system of closely linked interdependent worldwide economics. its an empire of the system more than of any one country....

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by Senior

I agree with you actually, democracy is way to expensive!!!! Lets get on with having a dictator.

Wow, your narrow mind shines through again. I agree with the fact that protesting shouldn't be illegal, and shouldn't be banned, I was simply saying some reasons why cities would not want them.

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by maztraz

I'll have to disagree on one point, it does costs money to repare the damages as much as organizing these big police lines and problably even more when theres the Army(There will always be damages so that is money spend for arresting people and not to stop vendalism acts sorry)
...So we can just conclude all they want is power over our opinions, and free speech, you'll have to read the articles to give me good point, cause when it comes to war I think it should be the lasts resolution under threat....What has BUSH done with democracy? shit on it, and return it against them selfs...(Iraq)
Public opinion is just nothing for you or what?

Get violant as much as police and army can????I doubt it?

So all you care about is the cleany cities(Objects) and don't care about peoples opinions..If you think that way why should I care about your opinions???

Have you been to any manifestation to be telling that???On lasts G8 in GEneva and Lausanne a few years ago... a huge manority was arrested(included me) for what?Cause the politices don't give a fuck of your opinions and thats exactly what protesting is ment for when it comes to political economical profits....We pay taxes, we pay assurance, we fucking pay every thing and should shut our mouths...I'm sorry but thats not how I work....

And just to menchen I was one of those pacific protesters that day neither did I brake any thing, and what did I have in return?Only brutality, and hand cuffed

I think you may of misread my post (or I may have not clearly stated my stance). I'm not saying I'd rather have a clean city than rights, I understand what's going on, I've read many of the articles you've posted. However I'm just saying that for the most part it's not that the city wants to limit your rights, it's that they don't want to deal with the headache associated. Sorry, but people would rather have an easy day at work than help democracy.

As for your problems at G8, I think that you have to remeber that the police are people to, two very large groups of people with diffrent goals meet. All it takes is a few idiots and then both sides can easily get out of hand. The blame dosen't lie with one side. Learn to accept that any large group of people is going to have some people who are ignorant idiots looking to start shit.

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by BongMan

While protests are good if its for the right reasons latley in the past 6 or 7 years. There have been many protests that have turned into street wars between cops and protesters.. The Anarchist love to come out and play in protests these days. I can see the governments point though as we know the french feel very strongly towards Bush. I can see any major protest quickly escalating into somthing horrible..

Exactly.

[maztraz]

Originally Posted by BongMan

Thats the unfortunate you may have been peacful but others were not how are the police to know..

Yes...Maybe should I been more precise on the fact, that we have been throwed rubber balls, smoke bombs, strong water lazers, little bombs that explode in small projections strong enough to stick into your skin(and believe me that is PAIN), and probably a 100 other ways for what?To hurt us!I don't think this is freespeech and no one should be under such threat!(What is Geneva to offend human rights?)

And there was 2 deads under pure police stupidity,To block the army from using the Highway, 2 peoples just attached them selfs on a public bridge with 2 people on each side with about a 15,20 gap and a cop just came there and cut the rope!!!!DEAD....for what?Once again political pressure and there fucking selfish little benefits..

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by maztraz

Yes...Maybe should I been more precise on the fact, that we have been throwed rubber balls, smoke bombs, strong water lazers, little bombs that explode in small projections strong enough to stick into your skin(and believe me that is PAIN), and probably a 100 other ways for what?To hurt us!I don't think this is freespeech and no one should be under such threat!(What is Geneva to offend human rights?)

And there was 2 deads under pure police stupidity,To block the army from using the Highway, 2 peoples just attached them selfs on a public bridge with 2 people on each side with about a 15,20 gap and a cop just came there and cut the rope!!!!DEAD....for what?Once again political pressure and there fucking selfish little benefits..

I don't think you really adressed his point. I think he's trying to say it got out of hand on both sides.

[maztraz]

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

I think you may of misread my post (or I may have not clearly stated my stance). I'm not saying I'd rather have a clean city than rights, I understand what's going on, I've read many of the articles you've posted. However I'm just saying that for the most part it's not that the city wants to limit your rights, it's that they don't want to deal with the headache associated. Sorry, but people would rather have an easy day at work than help democracy.

As for your problems at G8, I think that you have to remeber that the police are people to, two very large groups of people with diffrent goals meet. All it takes is a few idiots and then both sides can easily get out of hand. The blame dosen't lie with one side. Learn to accept that any large group of people is going to have some people who are ignorant idiots looking to start shit.

I think you had some of it to agree with, But learn that a revolution is no revolution without some political pressure(Vendalism of globalists campanies ''principal revenu of government'')
I know it is the sad reality, but its the way it is, and without these political pressures there be no equality...Cause even if we manifests our opinions and try to say we don't agree with what you do, they dont give a shit mosts of the time! So we come to a second resolution....violance
What would you do???

[BongMan]

exactly Protests these days seem to get out of hand emotions run to high. I can deffinatly see the reasons France is choosing to say no protests to the Bush visit..

[maztraz]

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

I don't think you really adressed his point. I think he's trying to say it got out of hand on both sides.

Yes, maybe I did...But I was trying to explan the situation...I agree there is both sides, I just have thsoe moments still in my mind and feel that there was more people unfarly arrested then true trubble makers.... ;)

Sorry automatic, I just like to give more reasons on what I think is threat!
I speak to much, I know what you ment, I don't always have the bests ways to explanation but I do my bests... :)

[BongMan]

there is always more people hurt in protests then there are trouble makers because the police cant just come in and arrest the trouble makers it would be damn near impossible. Best and safest way for them is to supress all innocent or not its unfortunate but true..

[maztraz]

Originally Posted by BongMan

there is always more people hurt in protests then there are trouble makers because the police cant just come in and arrest the trouble makers it would be damn near impossible. Best and safest way for them is to supress all innocent or not its unfortunate but true..

I didn't mean to arrests like that, what I ment is there is a difference between attacking the croud and staying on defence...
They have techniques to spraid the people out, but there actual technique mosts of the time is to either make people bleed almosts to death, kill, or arrests and we never know what happens but mosts of them stay in prison for what? wanting to have freespeech!....Im sorry but that is totaly opposite to the word freedom of speech(there is laws, for that)