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Mar 10, 05
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So this gorilla got crafty with a stick...
It was so crazy... it put the stick against this rock wall? and then it climbed up the stick... and then ON TOP of the stick... and climbed up the wall! it was totally at the top of the enclosure...
sad cuz i bet it does that everyday. 
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it couldn't get OUT of the enclosure.. it jus got to the top... where its closed off right...
it was sad cuz i bet the gorillas wanna get outta there so bad... it was at the zoo.. the woodland park zoo last sunday...
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did you take those pics? that would be insane.. i feel bad for them:(
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yes i did take them... it was sad.. but they were playing and chilling like a family too, which was tight to see...
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a locked up family in a cage, how cruel lol, let them out, givem a hand :P bring a stick and let them grab it haha
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well dude, these gorillas have been there a long time... they would have NO CLUE what to do if reintroduced without lesson into the wild. they would just die. and alot of the animals in the woodland park zoo, are ones that have been injured hella bad, and can't survive on their own, or who have grown in such a type of captivity their whole lives, and have no idea how to get their own food or take care of themselves...
so freeing them isnt really the answer.
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i think a zoo's only job should be to nurse an animal back to health and then return it to the wild.
and if it's an aquarium, they could do it like Atlantis in the Bahamas and just build an underwater glass enclosure so you can see the sharks n stuff in its REAL natural habitat.
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Mar 10, 05
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i used to volunteer at O.W.L. OWL takes in birds of prey who are injured or orphaned and rehabilitates them and releases them back into the wild. but sometime there are animals who are injured in such a way that even when they're healthy they still won't be able to function in the wild. like the sparrow hawk sparticus, he got his toes in a fan of some sort and his talons were cut off so a good samaritan found him, brought him in, we fixed him up and gave him a good loving forever home. (a bird of prey with no talons can't catch prey, he would have starved to death in the wild) or there was this barn owl that was brought in who was deaf, but deaf for a strange reason. he was deaf because his head was shaped too pointy, it wasn't flat enough to make the sound waves bounce off his feathers in such a way that they are reflected into his ears, so he couldn't hear. (i'm not good at describing stuff) they think his mother ate foxglove when she was forming the egg that was to be him and that caused the malformation. so for some reason because of his deafness he would only eat white mice.... strange but true. so he was another fully healthy bird who APPEARED to be fit for release but there's no way a bird like that would survive in the wild. so ashes, i'm with you, release is not the answer. what they COULD do is breed suitable animals and take those babies and prep them for release.... really places like that are doing a great service to the animal world by helping them, not capturing and caging them.
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Mar 10, 05
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WHO ON EARTH ARE YOU TO SAY THAT AN ANIMAL WILL HAVE A BETTER LIFE IN THE CAGE BEHIND GLASS THAN TO HAVE DIED IN THE WILD?!
EDUCATIONAL REWARDS...yeah right...S$$O wrong.. People seem to believe that having a child go to the zoo will get them interested in animals...they seem to miss the bigger picture..will a child not see this animal is in a cage? Will it not expose them to an idea that animals are to be shown as IDOLS on display? How does it effect a persons ego...does it force you to believe that yes...an animal is of lesser value than a person? We are the saviors of such a being..praise ME for I allowed this animal to live~ I know the relationship between education and imprisonment is innevitable in todays society where people rarely venture into the wild. But if you are willing to omit the idea of going on a trip to see these animals in their habitat you shouldn't allow yourself to believe that it's YOUR RIGHT to see these animals at all. If you think that because they're injured it's your right to be able to pay the capture of this animal to see him suffering..you my friend are so very wrong..
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Mar 10, 05
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oh and it might be interesting for you to know that I've rescued
a Great Blue Heron baby and released her into the wild with a bad foot that made her limp. She may have died but I saw her three times after she was released and she totally knew me :) she ate the food left out the day after being released...if she wanted to come back for food she could have... but didn't. Maybe she died, but at least she didn't live life thinking that I was keeping her from it. My baby sparrows flew away from their nest to explore and perhaps learned from other sparrows how to catch flies and eat.. My baby robin hung around my house and for sure was born with an instinct on how to catch worms that move under their feet. The first day he left his little nest he was taking a few steps..stopping...taking a few more...and then he'd peck the dirt. It was instinctual when he felt the ground move.. My crow hung around until he was one and would land on my shoulder...he was my best friend actually*...He would come to my call across the bay a mile away. I'd see his little wings flapping as he drew closer and sometimes he'd land on my head which wasn't as cool~ But I taught him how to crack shells by throwing them into the air and letting them hit rocks* He'd also steal food from our table and give it to the other guys. HEhe* ~So many more little guys...but its already too long~ In actuality animals are not dumb. They understand their relationship between the person who is helping them. Once they feel well enough they will start to understand the difference between help and imprisonment..they all have a need to live their own lives and struggle if necessary to find their own way in the wild..no matter how you put it..putting a wall between the life of an innocent is wrong~
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when i was little i would go outside of my appartment everyday and play with the crows outside. after a while it would seem as they would obey me. they would always come to me, fly above me and walk and run with me, not once did i get shitted on either. oh good ol' childhood. they used to call me crowboy then, and i had no friends.
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nothing wrong with crowboy
animals are oh so cute but i prefer them in stuffed animal form since zoo makes me infinitely sad - i'm siding with lou belle on this one. i would like to go visit some animals in their natural habitat, but even that is becoming a commodity these days. OOH SAHARA VACATION SAFARI! shitty deal for the animals surrounding us. jesus christ!
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Mar 10, 05
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The thing is that pretty much all the apes in captivity now a days have been born into a captive environment. That's not to say that humans were right to take these animals from the wild, and since then there have been bans put in place on the capture of wild apes. Setting these apes free would only shorten their lives to almost non-existent. Many zoological societies such as the WWF have worked hand in hand with some of the larger zoos around the world. One of these zoos is the Bronx Zoo in NYC which has recently opened the worlds largest ape exihibit. The zoologists there have realized that a majority of these apes that were born in captivity ended up having to be hand raised by keepers, thus losing all their natural maturnal ape instincts. Now when the baby apes need to be handled by keepers they are kept in constant contact with their parents, in an attempt to reteach these apes their natural instincts. The zoos are basically in the process of returning these instincts to the animals enclosed in their space, ie. fouraging for food and many other natural things that have been lost over the years to these apes in captivity.
So before you all natter off "SET THE APES FREE!!!", just realize there is a lot work to be done with these animals before anyone could even think of a release into the wild.
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Remember Keiko the Whale?
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fuck, I miss that whale :( 
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If they allow the "born captives" to remain on display for public it supports belief that their is an industry for captive animals. If the real problem is that they cannot set them free into the wild..then they shouldn't be profitting off of showing these animals to the public. It's wrong to believe these animals don't deserve a chance in the wild..it's wrong to think they couldn't be intigrated into their natural habitat when really it isn't about that. It's not about if they live or die. It's about them feeling like more than captive beings..it's about them running in fields they haven't seen before and being unsure about what they'll see or smell next. That's what freedom is. Death is a matter of fact.
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