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Mar 11, 05
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Part of a police officers life is to serve and protect, on and off duty, so yes when you decide to become a police officer, like i did, you do it as a career that puts food in your childrens mouths and serves and protects your community they dont just hire police officers who are in for the money alone you know..... :) 
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and yes, other police officers get elaborate funerals as well. but i also recognize the fact that this funeral is going to be more elaborate because the story was thrown into the public eye so much. the police people want to look good and respectful in front of the entire country (and other countries that have heard the story). of course they're going to go all out on this funeral. because if they don't then they are going to be seen as insensitive or something. i'm not saying it's right that these guys get a bigger funeral than other police officers that get killed in the line of duty, i'm just offering a reason for why they might have. as for the crazy guy, i read in the Globe and Mail that he forced some boy at gun point to give him oral sex. did anyone else read or hear anything about that? apparently the guy was nuts for a long time, but no one did anything about it. like Bongman said, his dad said something like 'he is pure evil. he is not my son'.
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yes, there are some rotton cops out there. i'm sure it's a very attractive job for people who get a buzz out of have lots of power and dealing with fancy weapons and having the ability to arrest people. yes, there are lots of things wrong with our prison system, judicial system and policing system. but it really bothers me that you just lump all cops into this mass bin of uneducated, violent, egotistical, gun-totting maniacs. you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. of course you're going to hear more about bad cops than good cops. that's more exciting news! a story about a cop that beats up a guy in stanley park: great news story! a story about a cop that stops another guy from beating up a guy in stanley park: eh, not such a great news story. unless the guy was someone famous, nobody cares. you're going to hear more about the bad cops than you are about the good cops. it's just more sensational news to watch or read. just like you're going to hear more about a doctor that fucks up a surgery or a teacher that sexually abuses a kid, than other professionals that do their job well. it doesn't mean that you can just say, 'oh well, all i hear about is these guys being tools, so i guess they all are'. look, i know hating the system is really trendy lately, and i do agree that there are many things wrong with our society and the way things are run that need changing. it's good to do what you do and question things and wonder what is actually running beneath the surface...i only wish you did it with more of a gleam of intelligence instead of just coming off as a raving stereotyping prejudicial lunatic.
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It's sad indeed when anyone with there life ahead of them starting a family is taken so soon. However, that is the price the pay going into this line of WORK, yes it is a job they aren't volunteer heros like superman or spiderman. They get paid to administer the law, and in it's purest form, maybe we can call them heros.
Though what was heroic about what happened? These 4 guys got taken down by 1 nutter, it was a blooper, not a heroic deed. To think, 4 trained officers of the law can't take on one red-neck hick with a fetish for firearms, they couldn't have been that good, unless you assume that this hick was some sort of Dirty Hairy. These guys just died, but still their deaths are marked as heroism. Now I'm not saying they don't deserve a memorial, or to be remembered fondly. Though why make THIS national news? Why this, and not about other people who have fallen trying to be heros, and actually suceeded in it? A hero is suposed to rescue someone, all these guys did was die. It makes for effective post-incident propaganda, especially if one is saying "no that's incensitive, I know there's bad cops about there too and all, but still, they were so young! Boo hooo hooo!" because that caters to one that is lead by there emotions, not by their logic. Think about this: tragedies happen every day, and in this society, there also happens to be many administered from these forces that are in place to protect us aswell. It happens, there is a term "police brutality". There has been a number of deaths where here locally, police have brutalized and killed homeless folks, and you hear not a mention of this (which we don't consider a hero) is found in your corporate media. Yet when 4 officers die in the same incident, it becomes a national broadcast and we pay tribute to them as if they saved the town from a nuclear disaster or something. So you see, there is much to be analyzed of our police departments, and all this gets swept under the rug with these types of memorials. All you do, is feel sad, and idolize the police force to some extent in the end, wittingly or unwittingly. This is propaganda.
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Mar 11, 05
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^i actually agree with you on most of that. they way in which they got killed wasn't heroic, it was just sad and pointless. i haven't really been watching the news or anything, are they plastering the word 'heroic' all over the place?
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i saw it on TV last night when i got home. It was so emmotional and done well, it made me actually cry. I cant imagine how those families, friends, co workers etc must feel. Its horrible they were all so young.
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Mar 11, 05
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Hehehe sometimes when I actually have time I read back through my posts that I write in a fluster while I'm supposed to be working and think I come off pretty stale..but I'm just being frank.
Being a police officer isn't the god allmighty position that should be praised by our country for the outstanding citizens award..they are basic soldiers. People with little education. People that get benefits and perks of a position that really requires nothing but a clean record and a good stance.. If I were to do a poll asking how many people have had a police officer abuse them or harass them I'm sure, after all this idolatry has blown over about them..everyone would say in some shape or form..YES. And why should I believe they are out there to protect me?? There really is no apparent reason.. Please can someone say something that makes me think these guys are on duty to protect this country..what do they do? Should I be donating to this glorified community of heros? I donate money to many different organizations, but I never ONCE thought that these COPS deserve any more than what they already recieve from their paychecks. Why is that? Perhaps it's because they aren't really there to protect anything but their job status as heros of the city.. Personally when I was 16, 17 the cops would throw me in the paddy wagon for no reason except for the fact that I had a skateboard, no parents and no money. They would release me after a few hours and apologize. This happened three different times....HAHa..when I realized all I had to say was I'm from Chaugnessy and my dad is a doctor thats when I felt like a total dumbass..they even have in the computer that my dad was addicted to coke..and they'd bring it up if I told them my name. But seriously, when I decided to call them up with adults that were standing up for me, the harassment stopped. They wouldn't touch me after that. They're a bunch of thugs themselves. Oh, the incident when I realized that easy money is what they're really after, was when my friend was waiting at the bus stop and had to pee. She got busted in the alley and they were going to charge her when I stood up and said "money grab"...they knew who I was from the computer and started acting all tough like they were gonna beat me and I said "the alley smells LIKE a washroom...in fact where ARE the public washrooms?...why don't you guys hang out near the bums and catch them going pee in the alleys?..they're gonna do it sooner or later.." This bitch cop replied "You don't even pay taxes to pay for public washrooms!" as she cranks my shoulder.."I paid six cents for my five cent breakfast..you don't even know what you're saying..let me go or else I'll have my father come and talk some sense to you..he's a doctor and he pays lots of taxes $30,000 this year." They let us go..thank god for the doctor bit* Last edited by lou_belle; Mar 11, 05 at 03:19 PM.
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Sidekick: Yes, they were blatently called heros for just dying in the line of duty, not for anything heroic.
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You are a lost sheep! Ofcourse it's sad, you do a bad job reading seeing as how my first line in this thread was: It's sad indeed when anyone with there life ahead of them starting a family is taken so soon. That's not the point I'm making though. The point is that this broadcast leads one to be played on for their emotions, AND YOU COULDN'T HAVE SHOWED US A BETTER EXAMPLE, SEEING HOW THAT'S ALL YOU CARE ABOUT! So I must saying, thank you for showing by example the point I was trying to clarify. If you want to thank me, you can do so by unplugging your TV set and perhaps thinking for yourself.
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God, seriously it made me sick to think that a country would take a such a personally sensitive ceremony and turn it into a monstrous gathering of strangers that work the same job. Video cameras..the whole she-bang..it was an pilot for a new show that seems to have hit a soft spot in the retards across canada..Did you see the camera angles...it was a SERIOUS production..and the music was just plain TRAGIC..tear jerkin'
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You may not know much about the importance of the final ceremony, but one thing that I find most imprtant is that it's not a show of stars and badges. It's a time that one should reflect soley on the person who is under those cloaks of misrepresentation. It's more important to know the real person than to know his uniform. It's a show for TV not for the families affected by the deaths... In judaism the king gets burried in a cheap wooden casket..
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Mar 11, 05
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i flipped through channels last night and saw a bit of what looked like the broadcast
ugh watching dad crying for his dead son. seriously that doesn't need to be shown on national television, how can a nation grieve for people they dont even know i cant make any points though cause any i would make have already been made, so fuck it.
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Mar 11, 05
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Because the news media wants to make one story everyone's story. It has nothing to do with our nation, but they do it just to make a profit. You have to remember all our news channels are owned by a handful of major corporations.
I totally agree with it being propaganda, and that the police who fell did nothing "heroic." Yes, it's sad they died. It usually is when someone dies.
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and about the donating money to cops thing. why would you donate money to them? they get a paycheck for a reason. just the same as you wouldn't donate money to your doctor or to your teacher. donations are usually made for things that are not government funded, or that need more money (like cancer research or something) to actually function. the police get their paycheck and that's all they need. i don't really see how your feeling that you don't want to donate money to them, makes them look bad. like i said before, police brutality and stupidity is evident in a lot of cases, just like your own personal experiences about them. but no one ever talks about the times when the police did the right thing and protected someone. and don't tell me that it's because it doesn't happen. dj mark paul: don't call someone a sheep because they cried over a public funeral, even if the funeral was just there for propaganda. it doesn't mean she's falling victim to the mass media propaganda machine, it just means that she found the event sad. hearing about, watching, or reading about something sad might make some people cry. it doesn't mean they are a sheep and are having their emotions being hurded by the media. funerals are sad in general and being at a funeral or watching a funeral makes a lot of people cry regardless of whether it is a televised funeral or a small service in a church somewhere for someone's dead grandfather.
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Mar 14, 05
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im just glad these heroes fell for true reasons, to protect me from the marijuana plants
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Mar 14, 05
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its amazing how this thread's main point started arguments that went off into more than a couple different tangents. looking aside from some of you other fnk'ers beliefs about "propaganda" and other obvious things like obligitation of a police officer to do their job and occasional unjust consequences, one could look at this situation as a growing point in canada's ever so liberal views on society. i'd really prefer that no one argue this because this is simply MY opinion, and even though ive already made this clear, im sure one of yous is gona want to argue this. ANYHOW, alright, so the fact is that the guy that killed the 4 officers was merely a bit mentally unstable and he thought that the police were trying to raid his grow op.. he defended it (stupidly)4 officers died. the officers were not there to bust the op, they were there for a different reason... the whole fiasco happened, we heard, we mourned. BUT consider this, IF marjiuana would have been legalized, less people would put effort into even having grow ops, or even protecting them.. ya my views are pretty extreme, but thats how i see it. im not saying that the officers died in vain, but i see this tragedy as wake up call, take away dumb laws that put idiots with guns protecting shit that shouldnt be illegal in the first place. i mean, paul martin is already backing up the bill to decriminalize marijuana.
edit: major grammar fuck up Last edited by ja_raul; Mar 14, 05 at 07:29 PM.
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