so its a felony in the states, whats it there?

[dapimpstress]

painting? u kno, graf?

whats the isht wit da law up there? here its felony = big NO NO. haha... u can't leave the country with a felony... thats seriously wack...

my friend was talkin to me and wanted to go up to canada to paint, and i was like WAIT A SEC dude, don't u think they have just as strict of laws bout it there? and don't u think u'd get in evn MORE trouble if u got caught in a foriegn country?

anywayz so i m just curious... im sure some a u guyz kno...

[-ff-]

Felony?

God no. You get a fine.


You crazy Americans spend way too much legal energy on minor crimes.

[dapimpstress]

Originally Posted by -ff-

Felony?

God no. You get a fine.


You crazy Americans spend way too much legal energy on minor crimes.

seriously... so up there its jus some FINE? what the FUCK. see kids down here are all putting their LIVES, their ABILITY TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY on the line for their passion for their ART... and they jus get fukd for it.

a fine sounds much more reasonable...

[Bitchin]

you guys have some wacked laws.......

like the orange in a bath tub on sunday or something like that. oi.

[-ff-]

http://vancouver.ca/bylaws/79221v1.pdf

Every person who commits an offence against a provision of this By-law is liable to a fine and penalty of not less than $100 for any offence under this By-law, except for an offence under sections 3, 4, or 5 in respect of which the fine and penalty will be not less than $500.00, and not more than $2,000.00 for each offence.

http://vancouver.ca/engsvcs/streets/graffiti/index.htm


Welcome to Canada, eh: where our police and judicial system have better things to be doing than imprisoning teenagers for being rebellious.


[not that a $2000 dollar fine wouldn't suck. But its a little different than being booked for say, grand theft auto]

[dapimpstress]

really its like a 2000 dollar fine, vs. never being able to leave your country again. being confined to ONE section of the world forever. that's fucking WACK.

how bout this tho, is the penalty the same if you are from somewhere else?

[-ff-]

I dont think it would be more severe for Americans. What really strikes me about the difference between our law and yours is that ours is a city bylaw and yours is like, a federal statute (Cause it makes so much sense to have a unified national law for an essentially local matter like graffiti, but not to have one for something like election guidelines... riiiiight...). As a city bylaw, I dont think they really put that much muscle into it, and I doubt they've bothered to come up with special provisions for foreigners.

Actually, technically I imagine the penalty would be actually lighter... in the sense that since they just write you a ticket you could just leave and not pay it. They can't enforce it if you don't live here! I remeber when we'd go down to washington as a kid and my dad would get speeding tickets and just laugh because he never paid them.

These days with computers though, its hard to know if they'd maybe be able to keep better track of you and stop you at the border next time you were comming up. Though the worst they'd do is probably make you pay it.

[-ff-]

Hmm, just did a bit more research..

apparently it is covered in the criminal code of Canada as well under 'mischeif':

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/c-46/43282.html

Mischief


430. (1) Every one commits mischief who wilfully

(a) destroys or damages property;

(b) renders property dangerous, useless, inoperative or ineffective;

(c) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property; or

(d) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with any person in the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property.

...

(3) Every one who commits mischief in relation to property that is a testamentary instrument or the value of which exceeds five thousand dollars

(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years; or

(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.


(4) Every one who commits mischief in relation to property, other than property described in subsection (3),

(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

So technically you could get up to two years.. though that's not really very realistic. If you've been caught multiple times they might bring this stuff into play, but more likely you're going to get hit with the city's bylaw fine (eg, be 'guiltiy of an offense punishable on summarty convictoin' - meaning a ticket)

[dapimpstress]

thanks for the very useful info man! might be seein u round soon... u should come out n take pics with me.. if u got dat karma... iono. i wanna go stanley parkin it one day when its actually sunny...


you know i've only been to vancouver ONE TIME when it was sunny? u kno HOW MANY TIMES I BEEN THERE?! lord. HELLA.

[narc]

Originally Posted by Ashes

thanks for the very useful info man! might be seein u round soon... u should come out n take pics with me.. if u got dat karma... iono. i wanna go stanley parkin it one day when its actually sunny...


you know i've only been to vancouver ONE TIME when it was sunny? u kno HOW MANY TIMES I BEEN THERE?! lord. HELLA.

Sun? whats that?