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May 27, 05
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did someone sell that agro pook some bunk drugs? bitter man....
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WOW...I obviously caused for quite the reaction. Ok I think I need to rephrase what I posted earlier just so we are clear. I do realize that they deserve to hold the spot they currently do and it doesn't give their achievements any justice when one can compares them to ATB but it may seem a little more acceptable when one compares the contexts. True enough it may well be that ATB's music with his 9 PM (Till I Come) was far from a Beethoven symphony but we can't deny the airplay at the time, whether we liked it or not. As well, and I am not claiming to be an expert on electronic music, we also can't deny the way that dance music exploded as we were approaching Y2K and that was definitely thrusted by some really well-known DJ's. I think those DJ's (strictly the pioneers) should be accredited to some extent. I realized I pushed it a bit far but my point was that we can't forget that some of these guys are also producers and even so it may not seem like it takes a lot to of brainpower to come up with a good track, it's not as easy as everyone would like to think. Just trying to give some of those worthy DJ's out there some support. And as Akeel said, unfortuantely there are only a handful of them...
Last edited by Sandino; May 27, 05 at 08:49 AM.
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if you wanted to do some comparing.
I would've gone with Kraftwerk, Richie Hawtin, Sven Vath, and Robert Miles. Kraftwerk pretty much started Electronic. Robert Miles' Children exploaded onto the scene 10-11 years ago, making pretty much the first uplifting trance track that record companies are *still* paying loyalties to him because of that track. Dont compare shitty trance to hendrix, I can gurantee you Robert Miles is one of ATB's Idols.
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And yeah Children and Fable from Robert Miles - HUGE for sure!
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let me put it this way. DANCE MUSIC IS STILL UNDERGROUND.
as mainstream as it may seem, it's rare that single tunes ever hit the top 40 charts, and it hasn't influenced generations of musicians, so NO COMPARISON can be made to hendrix and the like.
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May 27, 05
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doood. whoever wrote that is a total bum. I'd seriously like to see HIS attempt at beatmatching. It's not all just track selection of other people's shit, what about when you're spinning your own original tracks?
That took him alot of time, and was really boring read. I hope he feels cool now. in re: angry hip hop dj "sup dude, you're cool" >> MAD weak... pfft.
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May 27, 05
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as much as this guy comes off as a bitter wank who's had his girlfriend stolen by a DJ... i have to agree with the assertion that DJs take themselves way too seriously. I swear if i hear another person compare DJing to actual musicianship, i'll die laughing...
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In the UK: THEY HAVE THEIR OWN AWARDS SHOW FOR DANCE MUSIC!! I want to visit the uk soooo badly :(
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"I have a pretty impressive DVD collection and know quite a bit about film history, but if I show up at your house and play Taxi Driver for you, does that make me Martin Scorsese?"
hahahahahahahha!!! this thread seriously just put me in the BEST mood! :)
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secondly, your argument is a fallacy anyways, atb aren't dj's, they're producers. they didn't make "9pm until i come" on a pair of turntables, they made it on a bunch of computer gear, right? they may dj when they travel around the world prying $50 bills out of the hands of 16 year olds, but that's only because records are less hassle to crate on a plane then a bunch of studio gear. most of the big-name djs you see got their because they MADE songs that local djs played out, not because they're great djs. in fact many of them are crap technical djs.....think about it, who do you think is going to be the smoothest dj, some big name who spends most of the time in the studio making music and only djs a couple dozen time a year, or some local yokel who spends 2 hours a day minimum mixing in his bedroom and plays out 30-40 times a year? now who would you rather see. djing as a skill is HIGHLY overrated. it didn't used to be as such, but that was because there were far less djs, and tunes were much harder to get. individuals with great record collections back in the day, or individuals with fresh sounds were deserving of accolades. nowadays the tunes are everywhere. bottom line is that if you look in to the bags of, for example, drum and bass djs in this city i'd bet that for the vast majority of them they're carting around the same damn records. also, i find that a lot of djs really just buy what everyone else tells them is the big tune of the moment. just last monday at the zinc show dabbler was trying to tell me he thought a certain "so-and-so" was the best drum and bass dj in town, and i laughed in his face. he amended it to best "technical" drum and bass dj in town and i laughed in his face again. technical? what, he can pick the 4, 8, and 16 bar breaks out fast? you could program a commodore vic 20 to do that faster, would that make it the best dj in town? and what the fuck good is selection if all your tunes sound the same. end rant. bottom line is that outside of the scratch/turntablist sphere who "could" be called musicians, no one ever came up with a great "new" tune on a pair of tech 12's. and layering a destiny child's acapella over a breakfastaz track most defintiely does NOT count. dj's suck, i'm glad i'm not one.... be sure to check out my dj profile btw.
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Analog!
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DJ's/Producers that is what I was trying to say. I know I really went for the worst example possible but to add on to what I was saying... If the electronic scene weren't so big then why would the Chemical Brothers be allowed to play at Woodstock 1999? And while you can label them as producers rather than DJ's, they still belong to the Electronica genre. Moreover, they had their "Block Rockin Beats" included in the Blue Disc (CD2). And let's not forget about the big man himself - Tiesto - and his role back in the Olympics in Greece.
Last edited by Sandino; May 27, 05 at 05:00 PM.
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