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May 30, 05
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the debate is on whether such draconian laws should be there in the first place. Obvious answer: no. Worthless Red Herring that keep being brought up: but she's White! 
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May 30, 05
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Her primary motivation for smuggling 9 lb's of pot was greed. She knew the consequenses, and I'm sure she knew her chances of getting caught. How is this the Indonesian government's fault?
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May 30, 05
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i just agreed with wum. i need a need a volunteer to run down to hell with a thermometer for me.
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May 30, 05
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you still can't read though can you....
this is from the website YOU posted "An Indonesian court has sentenced fiery Muslim preacher Abu Bakar Bashir to two and a half years in jail after finding him guilty of an "evil conspiracy" to commit the 2002 Bali nightclub bombings. The United States and Australia - which have both accused Bashir of being the spiritual leader of an Al Qaeda linked militant network called Jemaah Islamiah - quickly expressed disappointment that the sentence was not more severe. A panel of judges said although Bashir had not been directly involved in the Bali blasts, he had in their opinion given approval for the attack, which killed 202 people, mostly foreign tourists." so he gave approval......in other words he whipped up a bunch of people into a frenzy with anti-american anti-jew and anti-australian rhetoric. those people went out and bombed a hotel. he probably knew what he was doing, but proving he knew what they were going to do would be pretty hard. he had one person say he was in on it at the trial and 8 say he wasn't. the two guys who were convicted of actually carrying out the bombing both got the death sentence.
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This is exactly why it was impossible to take down mafia bosses, until the recently enacted RICO statute, since they weren't the ones 'pulling the trigger' so to speak. So really we're splitting hairs aren't we? He didn't plan the logistics, but he did give the order, or at least the go ahead. As well, Indonesia enacted a new law that would've fucked this guy under a new terrorism law but you can't get a conviction retroactively. Stop being so legalistic for a minute and just compare the two situations: 1. Fundi gives the thumbs up to blow up 202 people 2. Girl brings in dope 3. Girl serves 10 times the prison sentence how fucked up is that? Last edited by wum; May 30, 05 at 02:01 PM.
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May 30, 05
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It's an interesting point actually.
Is paying and instructing a hitman to kill someone any less wrong than committing the actual murder? Really, thats what seperates 1st degree from 2nd degree murder... planning ahead. I mean, this dude knew he was dealing with crazy fucks that would easily give up their lives for a cause. In my opinion he did pull the trigger. It's no different than knowing a bullet will be shot when you press the trigger. Last edited by Junglist; May 30, 05 at 03:22 PM.
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Sure, pay the Hitman... then pay another Hitman to get the money from the first Hitman and then kill him. Three can keep a secret if two are dead. :)
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no fucking kidding.
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One has more sustainable evidence than the other, this being easier to prove in a court of law. Why weren't you posting with all your outrage when the two convicted air india bombers got off when like it or not there was fair evidence to indicate they had some connection or involvement with the events? Because the Bali bombing killed more white people?
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May 30, 05
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So you believe that leaders of terrorism should be dealt with by restricting ourselves to the laws that they shit on.. Let me tell you about criminals of the terrorist variety.. They know that the basic system of justice is restricted to a "hands on" approach..this is one reason why we have "boss's" and "leaders"...that never actually commit the acts. Terrorism is an extremely difficult power to eradicate because the KINGPINS are not accountable with our laws..and the leaders have complete control over their peoples minds and lives by brainwashing and bribery. They key to dealing with the criminals is to be at their level...willing to just flake out on "certain rules" to benefit. Obviously we can't do this with just anyone...but I'd say that Terrorism is SO threatening to the safety of innocent people...it's not too far fetched to start fighting the war against the leaders of these murdurous organizations..rather than allow them to keep their dictators. We know that with the drug industry...this way of dealing with the boss' fairly doesn't actually work..so why risk it with terrorists? Which man is worse.. the man following orders? or the man who creates the mission and the army? I'd shoot that muther bitch in the mouth.. *bang *bang *bang *bang *bang *bang *bang *bang ~reloads *BANG *BANG Flips her hair* and turns to the people "YOU"LL ALL BE SAFE NOW."
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Maybe you have more in common with the US than you thought.
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May 30, 05
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I personally think she is innocent. The street price of marijuana in indonesia is like $100/lb Think about it.
Last edited by peaceful_gnome; May 30, 05 at 10:28 PM.
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I think that there are some good things that are to come from the war.. No doubt bad things too~ Suicide bombers didn't just pop up out of nowhere..many were born and raised for this particular reason..A country can be led by a leader that pays families $30,000 to raise children willing to kill themselves..and what..we should stand there and watch because they have different laws then us? We should obide by other countries laws?? You guys do realize that not all other countries have proper leaders right? When dealing with people that have no understanding of the value of life.. I think that that calls for a stronger stance than just..."I hope he had fingerprints on the gun" ;P I don't really want to get into "The War on Iraq"... I'm kind of tired of talking so much about "The War on Drugs" Last edited by lou_belle; May 30, 05 at 11:26 PM.
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This girl doesn't deserves to rot in jail for 20 years regardless of wether she is innocent or not. The reason for the harsh marijuana laws is because Indonesia is ~90% Islamic. Islam does not jive with me at all. The dogma is downright idiotic, and the only reason it is so strong in Indonesia is the high poverty rate. No money means poor education. Poor education means a country full of idiots willing to believe anything that's shoved down their throats. Fuck you Indonesia, get your shit together.
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May 30, 05
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man I have to stop getting sucked into this.
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tell me I misread your quote.
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May 31, 05
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Whoa! What an incredibly arrogant, yet ignorant statement to trot off!!! _Two_ statements, in fact. Your monicker totally misleads your vile tendencies. The exact same statements could successfully be included into arguments about Canada. Not that they'd be "right", but, nevertheless, incorporated. Frosty (Go to Bed!)
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