15 reasons NOT to hate Americans.

[Two_Six]

I for one love America, they are the most powerful and dominating nation in the world. Americans created Wrestling (WWE) and Playboy.

America.....America.....America....Ameri ca......America!!!!!!!

[maztraz]

Originally Posted by Sidekick

yeah, but you can't just lump all the governments in the world together and analyze them as one entity. the politics of each country in the world are so different that you can't talk about them all at the same time in one argument. the people of canada and their government are different from the people of the states and their government who are different from the people of mexico and their government. different cultures produce different values and morals and different governments that reflect that.

hahaha....Okay....I don't really like repeating my self...
But I have never said that all governements are the same...

[sidekick]

^i know...but you keep making broad generalizations about government and your defense is that you're talking about not just the canadian government, but government in general. you bring up GE foods, media, and gay issues, but then say that you're talking about governments worldwide as if they're all the same.

edit: no time to read your post now. read later.

[maztraz]

Well Yes, Cause I think every one should be concerned by the world issues....But that does not mean you have the right to take control of the world like its yours and USA is doing the exact opposite....

I talk that way, cause everyone has to share the planet and when we have to face polution, impact of Capitalism, Mondialisation, Globalisation, Trades, War....etc and so on
There is a part of responsabilities, but aviously theres parts of the world that abuses of the chances they have and thats what makes it unstable ''worldwide'', and let me come back to power abuse, thats how you see when to much power is beetween so little numbers of people hands it becomes out of control...
(Its kind of the same cercle with Poor&Rich)
American Population seems much more of trust then the American Politics...And its seems that if we were really dealing with the America as we know it (people that live in it, and not that control it) We would probably havn't to deal with as much issues that they bring to the world....

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by maztraz

You really have no idea what im talking about do you!
fascist totalitarian government....hahaha are you kidding me?I do know how Canadian system works...And Democracy...But Im sorry to say that not all system works correctly...
Didn't you get that I don't like the idea of Government....

First, When I'm talking about a community of peoples making decision that means ''no masters''...

Second, Community of peoples as in peoples coming from all around the country coming from every category(french, English...etc/Straight, Bi, Homo...etc/Rich, Poor..etc/from Left&Right/Man&Woman/Younger&Older/Black, White...etc..etc..etc as long as they are people that have good influence, and capable of expressing they're self in smart ways)making various decisions for the country

Third, Some poeple in our countries have often no idea what they are voting for...And some political parties are willing to do anything to seduct the population with they're 1Billion Dollars promoting instead of really showing what they are really made of or even often lying...And its often the good politics that finish last in elections cause they wern't using $$$&power....Thats why I think they're should be one or more people coming from atleasts you're near comunity...

Forth, Agree that maybe not all governments are curupted...But curuption exists, And thats why I think it is a bad idea for a country to depend only on one classe of people....
There is so many mistories and problemes with some governments in the world that we can do almosts nothing, and millions of lives stands beetween those peoples hands and often uses it like shit...

...etc

Was I talking about Paul Martin?

I only hope you understand better...

give up, there will always be "master's" because their will always be hierarchies. there can never be a classless, statusless society devoid of hierarchies, hierarchies are naturally inevitable and arguably essentially. Ever heard of the mother fuckin food chain? hahah

you really should read the robert michels book, it was originally written in french so you could probably understand it better.

p.s the rest of your arguements dont even relate to government they are social and economic issuses which the arena of politics only has a very small influence upon. they are also rather dubious claims. like for example, the fact that everyone except for north america bands GM food. wrong, its the other way around GM food is widespread everywhere except for europe. besides, all the food grown in europe is genetically modified by the fact it is domesticated, domesticated food is genetically modified from wild food, so technically there is no difference between GM food made in labs and the GM food we have been eating for 10,000 years

[Cranke65]

Aside from that.... Team America theme song, anyone? America, FUCK YEA!

[maztraz]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

give up, there will always be "master's" because their will always be hierarchies. there can never be a classless, statusless society devoid of hierarchies, hierarchies are naturally inevitable and arguably essentially. Ever heard of the mother fuckin food chain? hahah

you really should read the robert michels book, it was originally written in french so you could probably understand it better.

p.s the rest of your arguements dont even relate to government they are social and economic issuses which the arena of politics only has a very small influence upon. they are also rather dubious claims. like for example, the fact that everyone except for north america bands GM food. wrong, its the other way around GM food is widespread everywhere except for europe. besides, all the food grown in europe is genetically modified by the fact it is domesticated, domesticated food is genetically modified from wild food, so technically there is no difference between GM food made in labs and the GM food we have been eating for 10,000 years

Give up! Im talking of ''masters'' as in masters having the power to control millions of lives and so on, not masters as in master of a market or brand etc...
You would be supprised how the world can change quickly, I remenber just a few passed years ago just in the 80's mentality of people were not very much the same as it is now....It is a other story I agree, but parts of Evolution can be very much unexpected, destany is often unexplicable, think of that.....
Food Chain yes, a little... :)

Whats the title of the book?

A huh....I know, so little has to do with politics only after wise...
I was talking of politics & GM cause theres a part of responsabilities, but population as well, but not the holl world is in it, sorry...Only USA, Canada, Argentina and India actualy feeds human Gm, but indeed it is grown pretty much every where in the world for animals...

10'ooo years! aren't you a litte exagerating on the GM definition....Theres enough food in the world to feed everyone of us.
The only reason for what we use it, is for the money and benefits, its not even the people that grow and eat the food that are really concerned with the probleme, it is Billion dollars corporations&even the ones that make pesticide, they put things into the seeds so that pesticide would make less and less effect on insects, and so the pesticide markets would sell more....Its complex dirty business...
And its cause its not regulated correctly that its actualy like that, you know perfectly that those huge corporations makes huge benefits markets&politics has to do with it infacte...Tell me who would refuse those contracts, if it can bring huge amount of benefits for a community?
And why would those that make the seeds would refuse the Billion dollars contracts from those pesticide brand?
Yes, exacly....Im sure they havn't even ''studied'' the probleme before implanting GM food, but they definitly calculated what they would win of it.

Broadband / Dial-Up about GM food this might interests you..

I think thats a good thing to think about..
We live to much in a consumer world
Instead of people buying for the need, they by cause of desire. anyway its hard to change that, but it has to do with the way we live.

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Originally Posted by SEAN!

give up, there will always be "master's" because their will always be hierarchies. there can never be a classless, statusless society devoid of hierarchies, hierarchies are naturally inevitable and arguably essentially. Ever heard of the mother fuckin food chain? hahah

word up seany... we could learn a lot from a pack of wolves.... alpha male what?!

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by maztraz

Well thats a good thing...
Its still not authorised in FRANCE...
And Tell me why homo-sexuals should go in special places like they we're a shame to society of some kind?

yeah, like i said before...issues like race and sexuality have more to do with social views and morals rather than government. you can't use that as an argument for why government is bad. you can use it for an argument for why society needs to change is views...but you can't just use government to change the views of society. you can see this when looking at the issue of black and women rights...even when they gained the same rights as the rest of the white male population they were still (and still are) treated unequally. NOT because of government, but because of society. it's the same things with gays and lesbians. just because same-sex marriage is now legal doesn't mean all bad feelings and negativity toward gays is going to dissappear.

government doesn't control everything. you keep talking about it like it does. tons of these feelings over gays, people of different races/ethnicity have stemmed from hundreds of years ago through things like religion. if you want to talk about something controlling something, talk about how religious views are too deeply entrenched in politics. government doesn't control religion, i would say it's the other way around.

BBC might not be controlled in the same ways as you think it is...Let me give you an exemple : Lets take Wal-mart, you know that when markets like Wal-Mart reduces they're prices all markets needs also to reduce prices, or else they will fail, or will never make benefits and will loose customers.....Well thats the effect of Capitalism, When all the big National TV Stations puts something up, BBC has not really the choice to come with similar programs, cause people will never believe in it or will never watch it, and no one will watch there Station if people feel that they are bullshit...
You see what I mean
''Cround control''...Theres to much pressure to be able to stand up on the cround, enless you are a certain amount to be able to resiste...Theres To much big markets controling the market, to much big TV stations controling the local news...

that's a load of bullshit. you can't compare wal-mart driving down prices in the economy to television stations competing for ratings and viewers. first of all it's completely different. TV stations are fighting to come up with NEW and DIFFERENT programs from their rival stations, not the same programs. that would be completely stupid. they want to offer their viewers something different from other stations so they can grab more people away. and they certainly don't wantto offer them the same news...isn't that why TV stations scramble to be there first on a breaking news site...or are constantly trying to get a different angle on a story? they're trying to get a different story from their competitors. so, i'm sorry, but what you said was a complete load of crap. if it were true then all the stations would be airing exactly the same thing, which isn't the case. they don't compete to be the same, they compete to be different. BBC isn't going to lose it's viewers because they don't air the same programs or stories as FOX or CNN or any other new station...they are going to GAIN viewers if they come up with stories that are fresh and exciting and relevant.

[sidekick]

ps. you sound like a smart guy, but your anger on lots of these issues is really misguided. let me clarify that i agree with many of the things that you are saying...i don't agree with genetically modified food, i don't agree with racism, sexism, homophobia, treating poor people badly, globalization, corporate take-over, etc... we care a lot about the same issues, no one is arguing with you on those issues, they trying to make you see that government is NOT the sole cause of these problems.

we live in a complex world with a complex group of people who have many different views and morals and social concerns. many of these views have been in the making for hundreds of years (if not more). governments have changed in and out of power in all that time, yet these views are much slower to change. that's because government has hardly anything to do with those things. it regulates them and has to deal with them, but it doesn't create them.

you keep talking about how you want a society where a community of people make decisions. well, what you really want is a society of people JUST LIKE YOU. you're not going to get that. we ALREADY live in a society of a community that makes decisions. there are different people out there in the world with different views on things like gays, race and GE foods. don't they deserve a say as well? just because you believe something to be right doesn't mean everyone is going to believe it to be right, or even should believe it to be right. the world will never be full of people that believe all the same things...if you want that then you're going to need to gather up some of your friends and go start your own commune in the woods somewhere. there are too many people from too many backgrounds to all believe the same thing.

you're just blaming the government because it's an easy public target...you should really be blaming society for a lot of these problems. government isn't implanting ideas about gays and poverty and blacks and GE foods in our heads...they're already there!

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you people have more free time than Paris Hilton... holy shit.

[maztraz]

Originally Posted by Sidekick

yeah, like i said before...issues like race and sexuality have more to do with social views and morals rather than government. you can't use that as an argument for why government is bad. you can use it for an argument for why society needs to change is views...but you can't just use government to change the views of society. you can see this when looking at the issue of black and women rights...even when they gained the same rights as the rest of the white male population they were still (and still are) treated unequally. NOT because of government, but because of society. it's the same things with gays and lesbians. just because same-sex marriage is now legal doesn't mean all bad feelings and negativity toward gays is going to dissappear.

government doesn't control everything. you keep talking about it like it does. tons of these feelings over gays, people of different races/ethnicity have stemmed from hundreds of years ago through things like religion. if you want to talk about something controlling something, talk about how religious views are too deeply entrenched in politics. government doesn't control religion, i would say it's the other way around.



that's a load of bullshit. you can't compare wal-mart driving down prices in the economy to television stations competing for ratings and viewers. first of all it's completely different. TV stations are fighting to come up with NEW and DIFFERENT programs from their rival stations, not the same programs. that would be completely stupid. they want to offer their viewers something different from other stations so they can grab more people away. and they certainly don't wantto offer them the same news...isn't that why TV stations scramble to be there first on a breaking news site...or are constantly trying to get a different angle on a story? they're trying to get a different story from their competitors. so, i'm sorry, but what you said was a complete load of crap. if it were true then all the stations would be airing exactly the same thing, which isn't the case. they don't compete to be the same, they compete to be different. BBC isn't going to lose it's viewers because they don't air the same programs or stories as FOX or CNN or any other new station...they are going to GAIN viewers if they come up with stories that are fresh and exciting and relevant.

Okay...I think im not being enough explicite...
I know that all governments hasn't to do with everything''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
They have a big part of responsabilities, I did not say they were responsible for everything'''''''''''''''''''''''
anyway we are talking general not specific, if you wanna talk of Canada no probleme we will, if you wanna talk of US cool.....But dont start talking A&C when we started with only A&B
It probably has to do with the way I have to approach it...

But your right I think religion is also something that should not be mixed with Politics...

I spoke of this with alot of people before, and the subjects needs alot of time to be approached correctly(a specialy with my bad english spelling), and most important of all differently...Cause you started speaking with the idea that I was against the government and was responsible of many things, but it would of been much more interesting we approached it 1by1 and arguing both on eventual errors that A & B or C could bring and also possitive things that it could bring as well..And then take conclusions out of it and decide weither it is more good then bad
PM me if you are interested

hahaha....okay...Its bullshit cause I made it sound like bullshit....But its not totaly crap man, I don't know how I could explan it to you...thats probably it

[maztraz]

Originally Posted by Sidekick

ps. you sound like a smart guy, but your anger on lots of these issues is really misguided. let me clarify that i agree with many of the things that you are saying...i don't agree with genetically modified food, i don't agree with racism, sexism, homophobia, treating poor people badly, globalization, corporate take-over, etc... we care a lot about the same issues, no one is arguing with you on those issues, they trying to make you see that government is NOT the sole cause of these problems.

we live in a complex world with a complex group of people who have many different views and morals and social concerns. many of these views have been in the making for hundreds of years (if not more). governments have changed in and out of power in all that time, yet these views are much slower to change. that's because government has hardly anything to do with those things. it regulates them and has to deal with them, but it doesn't create them.

you keep talking about how you want a society where a community of people make decisions. well, what you really want is a society of people JUST LIKE YOU. you're not going to get that. we ALREADY live in a society of a community that makes decisions. there are different people out there in the world with different views on things like gays, race and GE foods. don't they deserve a say as well? just because you believe something to be right doesn't mean everyone is going to believe it to be right, or even should believe it to be right. the world will never be full of people that believe all the same things...if you want that then you're going to need to gather up some of your friends and go start your own commune in the woods somewhere. there are too many people from too many backgrounds to all believe the same thing.

you're just blaming the government because it's an easy public target...you should really be blaming society for a lot of these problems. government isn't implanting ideas about gays and poverty and blacks and GE foods in our heads...they're already there!

Maybe Im misguiding things...I think I also have lots of probleme tiping correctly what I really think :)

I think thats a big miss understanding once again....I think the best would speak of this in person...I know government doesn't creates the problemes.

No man...I maintain the ideas I have but that does not mean I want everyone to be the way I am...And its the exact opposite that I want, I hate to look&think like others...But what Im hearing of what you say, is its the way it is, And no one will be able to change that..!

Thats a good idea, but what will I do wont even have that possibility of making my own place or own community(if its not all ready the case) thats why I think even tho you live out of society you have a part of concern...

I am blaming society more then I am blaming Governments....Like I said we should of approached it differently

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by maztraz

anyway we are talking general not specific, if you wanna talk of Canada no probleme we will, if you wanna talk of US cool.....But dont start talking A&C when we started with only A&B

that's the whole problem with your arguments though. you CAN'T talk about issues this broad in a general worldwide way. people in different countries feel differently about all these subjects and their governments deal with those subjects differently because of that. if you're going to make arguments about government you can't talk generally, you have to talk specifically because all governments are different.

bah, i'm done with this argument. i've been here too long saying the same thing already.

[maztraz]

Originally Posted by Sidekick

that's the whole problem with your arguments though. you CAN'T talk about issues this broad in a general worldwide way. people in different countries feel differently about all these subjects and their governments deal with those subjects differently because of that. if you're going to make arguments about government you can't talk generally, you have to talk specifically because all governments are different.

bah, i'm done with this argument. i've been here too long saying the same thing already.

Okay....You have been talking mostly of Canada since the beginning...I have nothing against Canadian government actualy infact I dont even have that much against Canadian Society....Thats Why I Didn't want to speak of Canada...But I do have something against the way they co-operate with America sometimes, and other certain ways the system works now cause of US..but hey you said your self perfect system does not exists.... I would say the anger I have is reither directed to American politic...


haha...You could write a weekly book though :)
Naah its cause I've been speaking of this so many times with so many peoples, you know how it is...