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Self-defeating Jihadists who invite massive military retaliation that overtakes traditional Muslim lands, and appropriation of their resources; which have a funny habit of happening everytime Tony Blair or Bush's popularity is dipping  versus Gov't sponsored terrorism that gives powerful countries a meal ticket for global imperialism What makes more sense?? 
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^fair enough. i just noticed that many other people that talk about the NWO and such basically just post the articles instead of giving a response.
it's definitly tricky that these bombings happened just as the patriot act is coming under review or needs to be renewed or whatever. who knows if it was just coincidence or if it was planned by the government or if it was planned by the terrorists whose goal was to get the act renewed...because obviously the patriot act isn't doing anything but annoying regular americans and taking away many of their freedoms. perhaps that was the terrorists plan with those bombings? whatever the explanation, i hope it stops.
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watch this kiddies!!!!!
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as for the chances of four esplosive devices not going off, i'm willing to bet it's pretty good if they were all built by the same guy or guys, using the same plans. maybe someone sold them bunk c4, maybe they didn't wire them up properly, or maybe they were using underpowered detonators, the point is that if they were all made to the same specs then you would expect them all not to work...explosive devices are actually pretty tricky things to build properly. Quote:
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once again, lots of supposition, no facts.... Last edited by automatic; Jul 21, 05 at 01:22 PM.
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[quote=automatic]watch this kiddies!!!!!
lots of speculation and no evidence shot down by logic once again. so what? you're surprised that suspicion falls on the arab population for these copycat bombing when the original bombers were arab? you think that THAT'S media propaganda? they are also reporting that they've got one man in custody who they picked up at the hospital, and they've apparently got substantial breaks in the cases already, so the "four terrorists on the loose" theory breaks down if this gets them closer to breaking up the cell. as for the chances of four esplosive devices not going off, i'm willing to bet it's pretty good if they were all built by the same guy or guys, using the same plans. maybe someone sold them bunk c4, maybe they didn't wire them up properly, or maybe they were using underpowered detonators, the point is that if they were all made to the same specs then you would expect them all not to work...explosive devices are actually pretty tricky things to build properly. because someone that "dangerous" had already been disarmed, and this being a matter of national security they would be in the hands of mi5 and not your local constabulary. Quote:
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oh wait, i get it!!!
it can't POSSIBLY be islamic terrorists, it has to be the GOVERNMENT, because islamic terrorists would KNOW that this would only make things worse for them and invite a "massive military response" (more massive than the one that has western forces strectched as thin as they can go now i suppose), and would also bring about the appropriation of their resources (more than what's happening in afghanistan nad iraq right now i suppose). I guess we should all remember that terrorists ALWAYS think in terms of the big picture, and their big picture doesn't involve a global islamic victory (oh wait, isn't that what the radical clerics promise them). and isn't the biggest component of being a religious fanatic the belief that because you have god on your side you CAN NOT LOSE? hmmmmmm.
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i really don't think the terrorists have their own peoples best interests at heart in these bombings. it seems like they are just trying to scare/hurt/ruin people in other countries for revenge for things done to them.
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Franco buddy, I think you should just give up. Most people here are convinced that these demonically possessed terrorists WANT TO BE DEFEATED, and that securing oil resources or adventures of imperialism are not factors at all.
Even though it goes diametrically opposed to the operational definition of terrorism, i.e. using violence or the threat of violence to achieve political goals, we have to assume that this new breed of terrorists simply want to inflict harm, and then be harmed, because they hate FREEDOM.  A "protection racket" is a scam where an aggressor instigates an attack, blames a bogeyman, and then offers to protect the victim from this bogeyman in return for money and power. -- Henry Makow
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automatic, i think we should just give it up because these people will never stray from their smallminded government hating ways. whenever something bad happens in the world they will automatically assume that it is the governments doing. they'll never stop reading internet websites where 30 year old guys who still live in their parents basement saved up enough in their penny jar to open a website and start writing their own conspiracy theories. they will always think we are blind to the truth when really they aren't open to any form of real truth themselves either.
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no, we just think you have cause and effect muddled up......
we think that the reason you are geting islamic terrorists now is because there's enough anger in the islamic world over western imperialism in iraq, israel, chechnya etc... that it manifests itself in islamic extremists committing acts of terror. you guys think that in order for the West to justify it's imperialism it's committing acts of terror and then blaming it on ismaic terrorists. and that whenever they catch an islamic terrorist suspect he's a cia dupe of some sort....and that the radical clerics who are calling for jihad are somehow a front... hmmmm. as for this bit: "even though it goes diametrically opposed to the operational definition of terrorism, i.e. using violence or the threat of violence to achieve political goals" these guys believe that there's going to be a world wide jihad, where the muslim nations will rise as one and cast the west down in to the pit of hell and the world will become a global islamic paradise, right? so couldn't inciting a military response and sparking a war BE their poitical goal? yep.
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i'm done with this, it's a tragedy that events like this occur, my heart goes out to the people of britain, white, brown red, black and yellow.
i'll leave it up to whoever reads this thread to decide whether they think it's a massive governement conspiracy, or the work of radicalized, disaffected, brainwashed youth. either way it's a tragedy.
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^and why didn't you comment on anything that automatic said when he picked apart the article that you posted? why is it that you guys always think that everything is a conspiracy even if some of them are far stretched and based on sketchy ideas and theories instead of facts. why do you always assume that people are brainwashed and mindless if they don't agree with how you're thinking?
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These terrorists are getting away with killing far too many people. I think that the United States and other UN countries should create a band of soldiers whose sole purpose is to hunting down these terrible criminals.
If any of you see any suspicious packages lying around, don't be shy to tell somebody that's an authority figure.
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You agree with me DjFranco?
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^so you agree that most of the article that you posted was just speculation and theory with nothing based in fact that was easily shot down with the quickest use of logic? i guess you do since you never bothered to defend any of it after automatic blasted pretty much all of it out of the water.
i don't have all the information and neither do you, that's why i'm open to different points of view and discussions on this topic. but you're not discussing anything, you've already made up your mind about what actually happened even though you don't have any more evidence than the average person available to him. i'm not trying to shoot down your theories about the warnings and the drills...i find it interesting, but i'm just as skeptical of your conspiracy theories as you are of our theories of what happened.
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or have people become so mindless that they are quick to liken human tragedy with government conspiracy and believe just about anything someone posts on the internet and can draw some kind of vague coincidence to said events and other things happening in the world? You're digging far too deep, and too far fetched when the answers are simple and right in front of you.
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This is your so-called "War on Terrorism"
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So on one hand Blair wants an internal passport, privvy access into people's email and text messages, their own version of the Patriot Act, renewed support on the 'War on Terrorism' and he also wants to grant asylum to known terrorists.  This is what's called speaking out of both sides of your mouth. But it's simple really. Without terrorists, there will be no war on terrorism. Without a spectre of an undefeatable enemy, where will you get your mechanism of control? Last edited by wum; Jul 21, 05 at 03:03 PM.
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