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Old Jul 21, 05
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well, if the government knew about the terrorist attacks just like you said they did, then isn't it possible that they had those drills set up so they would be more prepared if their information was right and the terrorists DID attack as they said they would. maybe they thought that would be better than alerting the public and shutting down london when they didn't really know what was going to happen.

and for the last time, i'm not saying you're wrong about everything. i'm just saying that you seem to be so deep in these theories that you are unwilling to look at things from another angle.
Im so deep into this because what we have discussed on this thread, and the other ones posted is such a small piece of the pie. Ive been researching it for years, and at the beggining i was like you, i wasn't sure but i am 100% sure now. If you read what i have, saw what i have saw, for as long as i have you would put 2 and 2 together also and open up to this has reality. We are not the close minded, you are. We are the open minded
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That's simply not how a protection racket works.

You have to incurr some damage for emotional effect.
i don't think you do. not in this case. people have seen what terrorist attacks can do...they saw 9/11. they know how many people can die and they know how destructive they can be. many people are already very frightened...it's very easy for the government to capitalize on the fear that is already in people's minds as they remember 9/11, Madrid and now London.

the government wants to rouse up some emotion, that's true. but they don't want to rouse up negative emotion against themselves, they want to make themselves look positive and the enemy look negative. otherwise their racketing for solidarity against the 'enemy' isn't as effective. attacks where people die make the government look bad; they make people angry at their government for not being able to protect them as well as angry at the 'enemy' (who, in this hypothetical scenario would be the same thing).

however, having a fake attack that was stopped can rouse the same emotion of fear. just pretend that you stopped a huge bomb from going off in a building, or another plane flying into another building. people can already imagine what would happen, they've seen it before...they don't need to see it again to be reminded why they are afraid. they just need the fear that it COULD have happened again to remind them why they want to give up their freedoms to the government.

your theory just doesn't make sense when you look at it this way. the government could do better rallying without a real attack because they would win the people's fear and their hearts, instead of just one. it would make them stronger because people would gain more trust in their government.
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Im so deep into this because what we have discussed on this thread, and the other ones posted is such a small piece of the pie. Ive been researching it for years, and at the beggining i was like you, i wasn't sure but i am 100% sure now. If you read what i have, saw what i have saw, for as long as i have you would put 2 and 2 together also and open up to this has reality. We are not the close minded, you are. We are the open minded
weird how you never addressed my post in this one, you just started talking about how you know so much because you research a lot and blah blah blah. but you never addressed what i said.
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yes it's a risk because these kind of government and corporate scandals have a way of being found out usually. there have to be a certain ammount of people in 'the know' and the more people in 'the know' the more of a chance that it would leak out to the public somehow.

please read my other post about the fake attack, i want to see what you think. it makes more sense than a real attack.
Fake attack.........well isnt that what they did today........Now there hereos, right ? Police have already arrested 2 arabs...........SHHHitttt that was quick
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Fake attack.........well isnt that what they did today........Now there hereos, right ? Police have already arrested 2 arabs...........SHHHitttt that was quick
oh good, so you agree with me! so you don't believe them to be behind the london bombing? i never said they didn't stage the one today. who knows, they could have thought up the same theory as me and put it into action. but that doesn't prove that they blew up 56 people in london's transit tunnels.

edit: maybe they did that so they could repair some of their reputation after allowing all those people do die in the first attack.
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Problem, reaction, solution...........

Problem = 911, Madrid bombing, 7/7 bombing

Reaction = Fear

Solution = Security..ie Patriot act


But you need to cause a problem first, before you start faking stuff like they did today
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^well, i guess my theory doesn't work as well if you believe that the government staged 9/11 in the first place. i still think you could create fear by staging a fake attack, however, you would be right that there would need to be an initial real attack to get the ball rolling.

but if that's the case then why go for something so big. since the states has hardly any experience with terrorist attacks in the past and hasn't even been attacked by anyone for many many years, then why would you need a big show like blowing up the twin towers to get your message across. the american people before 9/11 felt so safe in their little United States bubble that a much smaller attack like the one in London would have created a very similar panic and fear. it just doesn't make sense why they would create such a huge attack when killing 100 of their own citizens or even 500 would have been sufficient.
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also if they were just using 9/11 so they could get people angry enough to give up their freedoms and give the government a go-ahead to start a war in iraq then why didn't they blame Sadam Hussein instead of Osama Bin-Ladin for the 9/11 attacks. that would have made more sense...and if both were going to be a lie then why not use the one that makes people more willing to go to a war in Iraq.

sure they related the two events later, but why didn't they bring Iraq and Hussein into the debates right after 9/11 if that was their plan all along?
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i don't think you do. not in this case. people have seen what terrorist attacks can do...they saw 9/11. they know how many people can die and they know how destructive they can be. many people are already very frightened...it's very easy for the government to capitalize on the fear that is already in people's minds as they remember 9/11, Madrid and now London.

the government wants to rouse up some emotion, that's true. but they don't want to rouse up negative emotion against themselves, they want to make themselves look positive and the enemy look negative. otherwise their racketing for solidarity against the 'enemy' isn't as effective. attacks where people die make the government look bad; they make people angry at their government for not being able to protect them as well as angry at the 'enemy' (who, in this hypothetical scenario would be the same thing).

however, having a fake attack that was stopped can rouse the same emotion of fear. just pretend that you stopped a huge bomb from going off in a building, or another plane flying into another building. people can already imagine what would happen, they've seen it before...they don't need to see it again to be reminded why they are afraid. they just need the fear that it COULD have happened again to remind them why they want to give up their freedoms to the government.

your theory just doesn't make sense when you look at it this way. the government could do better rallying without a real attack because they would win the people's fear and their hearts, instead of just one. it would make them stronger because people would gain more trust in their government.
Well if you wanna prove your theory, just look at what happened on 9/11. Were people initally angry at the arab-muslim world, or the American government for not intercepting them? In surge of emotion, people don't think. You hear all the time about Osama Bin Laden, but what about NORAD being ordered to standdown?
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^please refer to my earlier posts for my thoughts on the 9/11 thing.
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you conspiracy nuts are getting rather old give it up your loose facts and bullshit is making me feel dumb just reading some of it.
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you conspiracy nuts are getting rather old give it up your loose facts and bullshit is making me feel dumb just reading some of it.
by making up my own conspiracy theory to counter theirs i've just found out why they like them so much! you can bend them however you want since they are based on hardly any fact at all. they're easy to use in arguments because you just add things to make them sound more important even if you are tying together things that don't make much sense.

it's like writing a fiction short story :)
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also if they were just using 9/11 so they could get people angry enough to give up their freedoms and give the government a go-ahead to start a war in iraq then why didn't they blame Sadam Hussein instead of Osama Bin-Ladin for the 9/11 attacks. that would have made more sense...and if both were going to be a lie then why not use the one that makes people more willing to go to a war in Iraq.

sure they related the two events later, but why didn't they bring Iraq and Hussein into the debates right after 9/11 if that was their plan all along?
Isn't it strange how all the alleged hijackers were Saudi nationals, and yet they invade Afghanistan? And wtf was Iraq about? And now look at how they trying to say Iran was behind it.

Now America accuses Iran of complicity in World Trade Center attack

What next.. France? Syria? North Korea?

There have been so many lies and contradictions, but we have a politically apathetic population that just let's it all slide.
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But is it CNN writing the fiction story making you believe what you wanna hear ?
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Isn't it strange how all the alleged hijackers were Saudi nationals, and yet they invade Afghanistan? And wtf was Iraq about? And now look at how they trying to say Iran was behind it.

Are you fucking stupid they attacked Afghanistan because that is where the Taliban and Al Quaida were based. Please next time before ya try to come up with somthing think about what your typing people please.
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^that doesn't prove that they were behind the attacks themselves, that just proves that they are using the opportunity to gain entry into other countries.

you still haven't proven to me that the government had much to gain from staging such a huge attack as 9/11 to rally everyone together. like i said before, if they really wanted to do that and attack their own citizens i doubt the would have done something as dramatic. simply blowing up a few planes, or a subway in newyork would have done the trick.

you're just convicing me that terrorists did the blowing up and the U.S. is using the opportunity to invade some countries. i can see how that would make it look like the U.S. is behind the attacks as well, but when you really look at it closely it just doesn't make enough sense.

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But is it CNN writing the fiction story making you believe what you wanna hear ?

How can you really say what CNN is reporting is bullshit do you know all the fucking facts you little twat. I bet ya if I wrote on one of your conspiracy websites that milk didn't really come from cows you would blame the government and call it a cover up aswell wouldn't you?
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But is it CNN writing the fiction story making you believe what you wanna hear ?
i don't watch CNN and i never have. i don't trust them as a news source. haven't you gathered that i don't agree with the war on terror, i don't agree with the war on iraq, i don't agree with many things that are going on in the world that the States have started up. i want personal privacy and i don't agree with the patriot act or bill C-36 (i think) which was the similar one that was in canada.

just because i don't agree with your theory that the States is behind the attacks doesn't mean that i agree with every piece of shit that CNN spouts out.
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unforunately, i have to stop posting soon as my dad is coming to pick me up and take me into white rock because we're leaving for boston tomorrow to visit family for two weeks (no, i'm not american).

it was interesting debating with you guys, but all you have done is further my belief that your conspiracy theory is wrong and that the states are not behind the attacks and neither is britain.
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^that doesn't prove that they were behind the attacks themselves, that just proves that they are using the opportunity to gain entry into other countries.

you still haven't proven to me that the government had much to gain from staging such a huge attack as 9/11 to rally everyone together. like i said before, if they really wanted to do that and attack their own citizens i doubt the would have done something as dramatic. simply blowing up a few planes, or a subway in newyork would have done the trick.

you're just convicing me that terrorists did the blowing up and the U.S. is using the opportunity to invade some countries. i can see how that would make it look like the U.S. is behind the attacks as well, but when you really look at it closely it just doesn't make enough sense.

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c'mon :(
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c'mon :(
haha nope.

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Are you fucking stupid they attacked Afghanistan because that is where the Taliban and Al Quaida were based. Please next time before ya try to come up with somthing think about what your typing people please.
If you prefer to think that US-sponsored Al-CIAeda is real, and that cave dwellers could mastermind 9/11 be my guest.
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This is retarded....There is so much Proof that the US funded 911. Sidekick, Bongman look it up you idiots. Dick Cheney in charge of NORAD on Sept 11 ordered to them to stand down, Drills on 911, Operation Northwoods, "pulling of Building 7, Larry Silverstein buying the world trade centre a month before the attack and insuring it for 7 billion dollars, passport of hijacker found in debris but later was found alive in Morroco, 7 of 19 hijackers found alive, Multiple warnings of attacks as far as a month before, Mayor Willie Brown told not to fly on Sept 11, survivors of 911 and fireman heard bombs coming from towers and were interviewed, FBI agents coming forward and saying it was government coverup (of course later fired), George Bush's brother running security for world trade centre building,

Oh man i could go on and on and on and on................I didnt even list half of it

Go ahead and look it up for yourselves
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Terrorists or Mossad ?

There was an "Exercise" at the exact same time as the "Terrorist" attack.

The cameras on the Bus weren't on, even the Bus driver said that's fishy.

Netanyahu called the Embassy 6 mins before the first bombs, to say he wasn't coming to do his speech because of the terrorist attacks.

For an hour EVERYBODY thought it was an electrical malfunction.

Netanyahu called the Embassy 1 hr and 6 mins b4 anybody knew what had really happened.

Figure it out sherlock.

BY WAY OF DECEPTION THOU SHALT DO WAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WAKE UP YOU GOD DAMNED GOYIM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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There was an "Exercise" at the exact same time as the "Terrorist" attack.

The cameras on the Bus weren't on, even the Bus driver said that's fishy.

Netanyahu called the Embassy 6 mins before the first bombs, to say he wasn't coming to do his speech because of the terrorist attacks.

For an hour EVERYBODY thought it was an electrical malfunction.

Netanyahu called the Embassy 1 hr and 6 mins b4 anybody knew what had really happened.

Figure it out sherlock.

BY WAY OF DECEPTION THOU SHALT DO WAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WAKE UP YOU GOD DAMNED GOYIM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But that's too outrageous. I refuse to believe it! Aren't they afraid of people finding out?!

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