4 More blasts in London

[esoter1c]

Whatreallyhappened.com Pwns Infowars.com Infowars.net Prisonplanet.com And All The Other Jones Booga Booga Crap.

[The_acidhouse]

Originally Posted by Dj Franco

Its too bad every article that alex jones writes on infowars has a link attached as a source. Makes you guys look even stupider for not even looking on his site eh. You guys are hilarious.

Ok, i'm assuming you are talking about one of two links:http://infowars.net/Pages/Jul05/170705pound.html.

or this http://www.infowars.com/alexjones.html
I don't know what the second link proves other than the fact that this dude is a bit self-obsessed. He probably does this site to get laid.

As for the first link: http://infowars.net/Pages/Jul05/170705pound.html. I've read that and also had a good laugh. If this isn't what you are talking, by all means, bring it on.

Terrorist short selling exchanges is even more of a wack conspiracy theory. a) You would need major sellers selling here to influence the price that much. Like we are talking billions.
b) It's well known that scotland yard, SEC computers and a wide variety of forex traders would be able to trace this volume of selling/buying

Besides, in the initial discussion, I was disecting that particular statement where he said "london's financial community" was involved.

However, just for fun, let's visit the second link I just posted:

After Sept. 11, Chicago Board Options Exchange data showed 1,575 put options purchased in United Airlines' parent company five days before the attacks. On an average day, only 390 such put options are purchased. Investors bought 2,258 put options in American Airlines parent company, compared with 220 on a typical day. Insurance and other stocks also experienced and upswing in short sales.

This proves nothing. It's well known that summer trading is on light volume and that a ten fold increase in volume is well within the rate of normal standard deviation. A ten fold increase in put options could be placed on the anticipation of poor performance for whatever reasons - this is common. If you arn't convinced find a chart of derivatives trading volume. Perhaps if you ask me nicely and I have time, i'll try to pull up a chart on the bloomberg at work.

The pound fell about 6 percent (approximately 1.82 to 1.72) against the dollar for no apparent reason – until, of course, the terror attacks sent the British markets reeling still further.

"This was an almost unprecedented weakness and far too sharp to be a coincidence," one economist with more than 35 years of experience in the investment industry, told Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin, the premium, online intelligence newsletter published by the founder of WND. "That is, after all, an annualized rate of loss of well over 100 percent."

As you will see from the chart I created earlier, this 'sell-off' could be nothing more than normal standard deviation. Deviations of that nature have clearly occured before. And, if this 'so-called' economist wasn't also a crackhead (or wasn't probably misquoted) we would be alerted to the fact that the only way to truely uncover a broadbased sell-off in pounds would be to compare pounds to a basket of currencies -- NOT JUST THE USD!

Again this conspiracy theory is mere speculation based on very poorly researched evidence coupled by a major misunderstanding of the markets. There is nothing proved here and quite frankly if I was able to blow this argument out of the water with an elementary understanding of the Forex and the FTSE, it proves this is some of the worst Journalism i've ever seen.

Face it. 'Infowars' = shotty journalism.

The next time you fall in love with a wack conspiracy theory, at least find some decent journalism. You are really just making yourself look bad.

[Dj Franco]

Originally Posted by The_acidhouse

Ok, i'm assuming you are talking about one of two links:http://infowars.net/Pages/Jul05/170705pound.html.

or this http://www.infowars.com/alexjones.html
I don't know what the second link proves other than the fact that this dude is a bit self-obsessed. He probably does this site to get laid.

As for the first link: http://infowars.net/Pages/Jul05/170705pound.html. I've read that and also had a good laugh. If this isn't what you are talking, by all means, bring it on.

Terrorist short selling exchanges is even more of a wack conspiracy theory. a) You would need major sellers selling here to influence the price that much. Like we are talking billions.
b) It's well known that scotland yard, SEC computers and a wide variety of forex traders would be able to trace this volume of selling/buying

Besides, in the initial discussion, I was disecting that particular statement where he said "london's financial community" was involved.

However, just for fun, let's visit the second link I just posted:



This proves nothing. It's well known that summer trading is on light volume and that a ten fold increase in volume is well within the rate of normal standard deviation. A ten fold increase in put options could be placed on the anticipation of poor performance for whatever reasons - this is common. If you arn't convinced find a chart of derivatives trading volume. Perhaps if you ask me nicely and I have time, i'll try to pull up a chart on the bloomberg at work.



As you will see from the chart I created earlier, this 'sell-off' could be nothing more than normal standard deviation. Deviations of that nature have clearly occured before. And, if this 'so-called' economist wasn't also a crackhead (or wasn't probably misquoted) we would be alerted to the fact that the only way to truely uncover a broadbased sell-off in pounds would be to compare pounds to a basket of currencies -- NOT JUST THE USD!

Again this conspiracy theory is mere speculation based on very poorly researched evidence coupled by a major misunderstanding of the markets. There is nothing proved here and quite frankly if I was able to blow this argument out of the water with an elementary understanding of the Forex and the FTSE, it proves this is some of the worst Journalism i've ever seen.

Face it. 'Infowars' = shotty journalism.

The next time you fall in love with a wack conspiracy theory, at least find some decent journalism. You are really just making yourself look bad.

Hahaha The first article you pasted if you looked carefully is linked to a world net daily article, http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45312 The second link is even stupider for you to post cause its just him promoting his videos, its not even an article. You really just made yourself look like such an idiot lol

[The_acidhouse]

Originally Posted by Dj Franco

Hahaha The first article you pasted if you looked carefully is linked to a world net daily article, http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45312 The second link is even stupider for you to post cause its just him promoting his videos, its not even an article. You really just made yourself look like such an idiot lol

I'm fairly aware of what the second link contained. I posted those links because I was merely speculating as to what you referring to regarding this rather unspecific comment:

Originally Posted by Dj Franco

Its too bad every article that alex jones writes on infowars has a link attached as a source. Makes you guys look even stupider for not even looking on his site eh. You guys are hilarious

In either case, this doesn't change much.. If something was linked to another article and the journalist used it in his write-up, clearly it's his/her responsiblity to see whether it's garbage or not.
Again, this would show me that both inforwars and WND are responsible of poor journalism.

So, my criticism stands. This article is bunk and so is the article it used. And, the fact that both articles are guilty of poor journalism along with the fact that you have given so much credibility to inforwars proves you are in the wrong here.

Again, automatic's initial comment about how you are relying on the internet for the 'truth' really applies here.

[Dj Franco]

Look buddy, i dont wanna keep fighting about this. You think your right, and i think i am. Lets keep it at that then cause i don't wanna waste my breath on someone who can't see whats coming. People in the US and Britain know about this stuff cause i go on other forums and talk to Americans and they tell me about it. But maybe its because shit is a lot worse in the states and we have it good in Canada for now. But i promise shit is going down in canada too, very soon. I wish it wasn't true but you will know what i meant.

[Dj Franco]

All i can really say to you is, if your open to looking into this stuff I have plenty of documentaries you can have. I make copies to hand out to people so if you want to see one i can hook you up. If you don't wanna see it that just proofs to me you don't want to know.

[wum]

[Dj Franco]

Originally Posted by 3507321C

Whatreallyhappened.com Pwns Infowars.com Infowars.net Prisonplanet.com And All The Other Jones Booga Booga Crap.

What do you have against Alex Jones anyways. You say he sells fear just as much as the ones he says he opposes. I don't see exposing them as selling fear tho. If you fear the truth then i guess he does sell fear. But im not scared of the truth. Whatreallyhappened.com is a good website for information, but i think Alex Jones has done the most out of everyone to expose it

[wum]

Originally Posted by Dj Franco

What do you have against Alex Jones anyways. You says he sells fear just as much as the ones he says he opposes. I don't see exposes them as selling fear tho, if you fear the truth then i guess he does sell fear. But im not scared of the truth

he wants Alex Jones to talk more about the illuminati and zionism

[Dj Franco]

Ya but that stuff scares people away. He does talk about it to an extend. Hes had David Icke on his show a number of times. But you gotta keep things simple for people obviously. You see that here, we try to keep things simple and people still don't get it. Now you can imagine if we started talking more about the illuminati, people wouldn't listen at all

[Dj Franco]

Originally Posted by The_acidhouse

So, my criticism stands. This article is bunk and so is the article it used. And, the fact that both articles are guilty of poor journalism along with the fact that you have given so much credibility to inforwars proves you are in the wrong here.

Again, automatic's initial comment about how you are relying on the internet for the 'truth' really applies here.

ok. So you don't believe articles written by Worldnetdaily. You don't believe any articles thats on Infowars or prisonplanet. But as soon as al Qaeda puts a shotty webpage of them claiming to do attacks, when anyone really could have posted that, you automatically beieve it was Al CIA da. You believe what you wanna believe

[The_acidhouse]

Originally Posted by Dj Franco

ok. So you don't believe articles written by Worldnetdaily. You don't believe any articles thats on Infowars or prisonplanet. But as soon as al Qaeda puts a shotty webpage of them claiming to do attacks, when anyone really could have posted that, you automatically beieve it was Al CIA da. You believe what you wanna believe

Actually, I don't believe much unless there is proof. I'm not saying all the things on infowars are garbage - i'm saying that if they are capable of poor journalism, perhaps many of their stories you publish are poorly researched and basically baseless.

I'd encourage the use of critical thinking instead of 'this is right because I hate America' thinking.

[wum]

Originally Posted by Dj Franco

Ya but that stuff scares people away. He does talk about it to an extend. Hes had David Icke on his show a number of times. But you gotta keep things simple for people obviously. You see that here, we try to keep things simple and people still don't get it. Now you can imagine if we started talking more about the illuminati, people wouldn't listen at all

true. and who can prove that occultic stuff definitively anyway? studying bloodlines is kooky and a waste of time.

[The_acidhouse]

Originally Posted by Dj Franco

Look buddy, i dont wanna keep fighting about this. You think your right, and i think i am.

When it comes to the points I illustrated regarding the Forex, I know i'm right.

Whether there is a conspiracy or not - I have no idea. My point here is that you are putting alot of eggs into one source - which in this case has proven to be incorrect.

Originally Posted by Dj Franco

Lets keep it at that then cause i don't wanna waste my breath on someone who can't see whats coming. People in the US and Britain know about this stuff cause i go on other forums and talk to Americans and they tell me about it. But maybe its because shit is a lot worse in the states and we have it good in Canada for now. But i promise shit is going down in canada too, very soon. I wish it wasn't true but you will know what i meant.

I don't think terrorism in Canada is impossible. I just doubt that scotland yard, the spanish police, the RCMP and law enforcement of any other nation that will be touched by terrorism wouldn't love to blow the whistle if they could prove it was in fact the CIA. In other words, chances are that there is no conspiracy and terrorists are merely people who are really pissed off at 'the west' for a variety of reasons.

[esoter1c]

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Originally Posted by Dj Franco

What do you have against Alex Jones anyways. You say he sells fear just as much as the ones he says he opposes. I don't see exposing them as selling fear tho. If you fear the truth then i guess he does sell fear. But im not scared of the truth. Whatreallyhappened.com is a good website for information, but i think Alex Jones has done the most out of everyone to expose it

1:He is pure Christian Propaganda, always from a Christian Point of view.
2:Says Freemasonry and Bohemian grove are Satanic !
3:Sells His Scare You Booga Booga Videos.
4:Makes the info look Conspiratorial when It's not.
5:Looks Talks Acts like an Idiot, Must be an Idiot.

[Dj Franco]

Originally Posted by 3507321C

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1:He is pure Christian Propaganda, always from a Christian Point of view.
2:Says Freemasonry and Bohemian grove are Satanic !
3:Sells His Scare You Booga Booga Videos.
4:Makes the info look Conspiratorial when It's not.
5:Looks Talks Acts like an Idiot, Must be an Idiot.

Well if you think Bohemian grove isn't satanic you got some issues.

[Dj Franco]

Originally Posted by The_acidhouse

I'd encourage the use of critical thinking instead of 'this is right because I hate America' thinking.

I should be encouraging you to be using critical thinking, and maybe take up my offer for a free dvd to watch and see for yourself.

Originally Posted by The_acidhouse

Whether there is a conspiracy or not - I have no idea. My point here is that you are putting alot of eggs into one source - which in this case has proven to be incorrect.
I don't think terrorism in Canada is impossible. I just doubt that scotland yard, the spanish police, the RCMP and law enforcement of any other nation that will be touched by terrorism wouldn't love to blow the whistle if they could prove it was in fact the CIA. In other words, chances are that there is no conspiracy and terrorists are merely people who are really pissed off at 'the west' for a variety of reasons.

Like the RCMP know any better then you do. There about has much brainwashed as you.

[Dj Franco]

Originally Posted by 3507321C

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1:He is pure Christian Propaganda, always from a Christian Point of view.
2:Says Freemasonry and Bohemian grove are Satanic !
3:Sells His Scare You Booga Booga Videos.
4:Makes the info look Conspiratorial when It's not.
5:Looks Talks Acts like an Idiot, Must be an Idiot.

Those Booga Booga videos you speak off have waken people up a lot more then talking about the 13 satanic families. But trying to explain that will only make you look crazy and not credible. Were trying to wake them up, not scare of em away so they won't listen anymore. And what do you have against christians ?

[wum]

Originally Posted by Dj Franco

Well if you think Bohemian grove isn't satanic you got some issues.

I honestly think that 3507321C is a luciferian, but he just doesn't realize it.

He keeps talking about this occultic shit, but we know that Adam traded our birth right for that same secret knowledge.

[The_acidhouse]

Originally Posted by Dj Franco

I should be encouraging you to be using critical thinking, and maybe take up my offer for a free dvd to watch and see for yourself.

If you want to mail me a free DVD, sure. Send me a private message.

Originally Posted by Dj Franco

Like the RCMP know any better then you do. There about has much brainwashed as you.

Lol, yes, i'm brainwashed...
You know, you are right.. clearly no one would ever whistle-blow, ever.

[wum]

Photo of 'Bombers' has been Doctored


Originally picked up on by citizens for legitimate Government, we now have further evidence to suggest that the above photo has been doctored.



CLG reported: "At first, (almost) everything looks fine, but look closer... look at the guy with the white hat... check out his left arm (HIS left arm).... the lower of the rails of the railing is IN FRONT of his left arm... where of course it shouldn't be! I'm NO image specialist, but this sure looks ridiculous. I'd say it´s a fake."

The CLG has also inspected this image. "The white-hatted man was apparently superimposed onto the photo. Not only is his arm 'behind' a railing that is supposedly several feet behind HIM, but also, upon magnification in Photoshop, part of the bar actually goes into his head. This was 'touched-up,' but pixels of his head mix unmistakably with pixels from the railing." --Michael Rectenwald.










Here is an enhancement of the picture. You can clearly see that the railing appears IN FRONT of the supposed bomber's left arm. Not only this but there also seems to be a railing running through the man's head.




A further analysis clearly shows the railing continuously running visible through the man's head. There is also a noticeable outline above the bomber's cap and around his head, indicating the image has been "cut out" and superimposed onto the original.

Why would the authorities doctor this image? What are they trying to persuade the public into believing? Or is this simply an optical illusion? If anyone has any other explanation for these anomalies, please e-mail the details to us.

[b0ld]

earth to idiots....
quit trying to be a make believe forensic expert trying to prove shit in photoshop when photoshop is not a recognized forensic tool that is used by the authorities.

[automatic]

Originally Posted by wum

Photo of 'Bombers' has been Doctored


Originally picked up on by citizens for legitimate Government, we now have further evidence to suggest that the above photo has been doctored.



CLG reported: "At first, (almost) everything looks fine, but look closer... look at the guy with the white hat... check out his left arm (HIS left arm).... the lower of the rails of the railing is IN FRONT of his left arm... where of course it shouldn't be! I'm NO image specialist, but this sure looks ridiculous. I'd say it´s a fake."

The CLG has also inspected this image. "The white-hatted man was apparently superimposed onto the photo. Not only is his arm 'behind' a railing that is supposedly several feet behind HIM, but also, upon magnification in Photoshop, part of the bar actually goes into his head. This was 'touched-up,' but pixels of his head mix unmistakably with pixels from the railing." --Michael Rectenwald.










Here is an enhancement of the picture. You can clearly see that the railing appears IN FRONT of the supposed bomber's left arm. Not only this but there also seems to be a railing running through the man's head.




A further analysis clearly shows the railing continuously running visible through the man's head. There is also a noticeable outline above the bomber's cap and around his head, indicating the image has been "cut out" and superimposed onto the original.

Why would the authorities doctor this image? What are they trying to persuade the public into believing? Or is this simply an optical illusion? If anyone has any other explanation for these anomalies, please e-mail the details to us.

dude, those blurry photos, and the "enhanced" photo that they made with a cheap photoshop filter don't "clearly" show anything...

first off, it doesn't look to me like his left arm is behind the railing in the photo, it looks like the bit underneath the railing is is simply the building behind him, which follows the same line.

as for the railing going through his head that looks more like glare off his cheeckbone to me, you can see where it's starting to slant downwards if you look close enough...look how white the cheekbones of the guy walking up to the door are for comparison

also, you can't see any resolution differences, hard transitions, or any of the other telltale differences of a doctored photo.

finally, it's a grainy low-res cctv image, which necessarily has lots of snap-crackle and pop....

open your damn eyes and don't automatically believe everything that everyone tells you about a governement conpiracy automatically.

[automatic]

and just so you know, if your cutting and pasting a person in to a picture it's MORE work to have bits of the background come on top of them...

[The_acidhouse]

Originally Posted by wum

Why would the authorities doctor this image? What are they trying to persuade the public into believing?

Let's assume it was doctored. Who would have doctored it? Last time I checked the CIA was not in charge of reviewing London's CC tapes.

Would they have doctored an entire reel of footage? Surely if someone somewhere found the other footage and copied it and sent it to the media, there would be hell to pay.

Basically for a conspiracy like this to work, you would need 4 people or less controlling the entire thing and micromanaging every minor detail constantly risking being exposed.

I don't buy it. If this was a conspiracy - if the London bombs were the CIA's - it would eventually leak. What can go wrong, will go wrong. Someone with credible evidence would eventually present it to a journalist. This journalist would show it to their manager and that manager - knowing the evidence was clear and credible - would see dollar signs in his eyes and for this reason would report it.