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  #76 (permalink)  
Old Sep 17, 05
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i tip well when the service is good for resturaunts and stuff but i dont feel i need to tip good if the service is crap
cab drivers dont get shit from me other than maybe the small change unless they are actually nice, not jackasses like most of the time, and dont drive some kinda retarded fucked up route that just racks up the bill.... most cab drivers rip off everyone and take retarded routes that just jack up the bill... most of the time i tell them off instead of tipping them
at a bar if im not strapped for cash or something i'll usually tip the bartended pretty good, its worth it you usually get way better service the rest of the night
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Old Sep 17, 05
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I always tip...no excuses
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Old Sep 18, 05
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Generally I always do and always have, I think though that it is cuz I have always worked in tip jobs... I fnid that people that work in tip weighted jobs tend to tip more cuz they know that is what is actaully paying the bills, not the wage.

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Old Sep 18, 05
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As a waiter, it's their job to make sure you have enough food/drink in a timely fashion.
It's not their job to be extra sociable, buy a regular customer a drink on a special occasion, or do anything above and beyond. When someone goes out of their way to provide that extra 'umph', it's appropriate to acknowledge that.
So ya, I tip.
As a waiter, even in a dining room atmosphere, I don't expect to get tipped every table. Everyone has their reasons, whether they can't afford it, against their religion (mormons) or just don't feel like it.
If you don't tip, especially tables for 7+, don't expect someone to do backflips for you every time you come in.
*That's not saying someones going to get their drink spit in or neglected service.
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Old Sep 18, 05
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Why do people tip when they get mediocre service? I've seen lots of people posting stuff like, "I'll tip 10% if its bad service". This is beyond me.

I don't tip unless I am impressed. That to me is a no-brainer... what the hell are tips for except to express appreciation for extra service?

Tipping "because it's expected" as a concept boggles my mind... kind of like organized religion and gambling.
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Old Sep 18, 05
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Originally Posted by FlorpIncarnate
Why do people tip when they get mediocre service? I've seen lots of people posting stuff like, "I'll tip 10% if its bad service". This is beyond me.

I don't tip unless I am impressed. That to me is a no-brainer... what the hell are tips for except to express appreciation for extra service?

Tipping "because it's expected" as a concept boggles my mind... kind of like organized religion and gambling.
Etiquette and communication.

Seriously. If you don't tip, people don't take it as criticism. They think you're an asshole. Nothing is learned and service is not improved.

If you leave a lousy tip, it means "Thanks for the effort but it sucked. Do better next time."
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Old Sep 18, 05
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i'd also like to ad that servers are required to tip out to the rest of the restaurant staff based on their total sales, not total tips earned.

seems like a lot of people don't realize this.

that means if such and such restaurant has a 5% "tip out" and your bill was $100 and you left a 10% tip ($10) the server only made $5.
therefore leaving a shit tip because your steak was over cooked means the cook will still see his cut but you're shafting your server. same thing for the bartender screwing up your drink.
(and on that note - whoever came up with "you don't tip on booze" outta pull their head out of their ass cuz bartenders are tipped out by the servers too - often based on alcohol sales!)

basic guidelines kiddies:

15% IS STANDARD.
10% is minimum.
18-20% is good service.
more is great service.

got it? good!

if you don't agree with tipping you don't deserve good service. it is a part of our society and gives us the freedom to choose what amount to tip as apposed to when gratuity is automatically added to the bill.

if you can't afford to tip, go somewhere else!
nothing would frustrate me more than guys trying to act like ballers ordering cognac and top shelf drinks all night just to freak when they see their bill and chintz on the tip.
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Old Sep 18, 05
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Originally Posted by FlorpIncarnate
Why do people tip when they get mediocre service? I've seen lots of people posting stuff like, "I'll tip 10% if its bad service". This is beyond me.

I don't tip unless I am impressed. That to me is a no-brainer... what the hell are tips for except to express appreciation for extra service?

Tipping "because it's expected" as a concept boggles my mind... kind of like organized religion and gambling.
i agreed with you 100% till i dated a server and saw things a little differently. tipping is how anyone working in the restaurant industry makes thier money! they get paid a measly 8-10 an hour, and get short, irregular shifts so if thet didnt get tips theyd all be broke as fuck. end of story.
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Old Sep 18, 05
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I don't tip unless I am impressed. That to me is a no-brainer... what the hell are tips for except to express appreciation for extra service?

Exactly!

I notice theres two parts to tipping.

1. Tip good at first and you can expect on going great service. Hence why I always tip door girls and bartenders... especialy if I keep to the same ones. I myself use to treat ppl who tipped ALOT better than any regular costomer.

2. You tip becuase it was excelent service... the person obviousely worked harder than what their job requires them to plainly do.


I honestly think that tipping becuase they dont make much money and they need it to pay the bills is a joke! Tipping because they are working alot harder than what there paid to do is another story. On the other hand if ppl didnt tip so much than servers would be paid more... and then your bill would be more... so?
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Old Sep 19, 05
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Originally Posted by robyn
cactus club = milestones = earls

I am so sorry you had to find out this way :(
milestones is better than earls and catus club....

bycott cactus club !!!! weak food,
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Old Sep 19, 05
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I honestly think that tipping becuase they dont make much money and they need it to pay the bills is a joke! Tipping because they are working alot harder than what there paid to do is another story.
i work a lot harder than what im paid to do, give me money.
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Old Sep 19, 05
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Old Sep 19, 05
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Old Sep 19, 05
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of course I tip.
smiling works well in customer service.
let the customer take their time, going out for food should be relaxxing.
oh, and book dj Genotype, he spins really good music.
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Old Sep 19, 05
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Should tipping be done at a place like the White Spot mini-restaurant in a Chevron gas station? You order your food at the main counter, like a fast food place where no tipping, but then they bring it out to you when it's ready, like a restaurant.

I don't tip at these places, and none of my friends do, but maybe we should tip half-rate, since it's a semi-restaurant.
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Old Sep 19, 05
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their job may occasionally allow for slack, but it also entails a lot of 12+ hour days, late nights, late nights stretching into early mornings, etc. when stuff f's up, they gotta work straight with no breaks until its all fixed

it's not as easy as you think!
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Old Sep 19, 05
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i dont tip....i deal with customers every day, i dont get tipped
why should i tip somone for doing their job when i dont get tipped for doing mine?
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Old Sep 19, 05
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Old Sep 19, 05
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their job may occasionally allow for slack, but it also entails a lot of 12+ hour days, late nights, late nights stretching into early mornings, etc. when stuff f's up, they gotta work straight with no breaks until its all fixed

it's not as easy as you think!
i kno that silly.
i am in the industry.
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Old Sep 19, 05
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i dont like the thought of motivating people to continue in their chosen profession by personally raising their wages on par with other more difficult professions, professions that not everyone in society could do.

the shitty pay should be motivation to speed your journey into the world of getting a better job. tips in this concept are just a bandaid on a broken system that underappreciates education and career training.

the question is do people with low-wage jobs (young, inexperienced, or uneducated people) deserve all the luxuries of life (ie: Nice Things) or should they wallow just above the poverty line until they become relatively important to society?
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Old Sep 19, 05
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Originally Posted by starbright
if you don't agree with tipping you don't deserve good service. it is a part of our society and gives us the freedom to choose what amount to tip as apposed to when gratuity is automatically added to the bill.
This is a pretty interesting perspective... so do you think that establishments would pay servers more if tipping a minimum wasn't as common as it is? I'm rather skeptical of that... there will always be more people available to fill minimum wage jobs. I suspect that establishments couldn't care less how much servers get for tips... they don't see it on the books.

As a person who has worked in minimum wage jobs that do NOT benefit from the tipping tradition (read: low level IT jobs) I feel no empathy for people who complain about lousy tippers. I don't deserve good service if I don't tip? Does that mean that I should have sabotaged someone's RAM before installing it if they didn't tip me? Give me a break. I think that some people suffer from a serious case of "dilusions of entitlement".

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i agreed with you 100% till i dated a server and saw things a little differently. tipping is how anyone working in the restaurant industry makes thier money! they get paid a measly 8-10 an hour, and get short, irregular shifts so if thet didnt get tips theyd all be broke as fuck. end of story.
The last summer job I had was an 8 hour shift with a 30 minute lunch that had me stressed out for most of the day, every day. I made $11/h.... after 4 years of computer science. Since I was working in a computer warehouse I did not get tipped. Answer me this: how are restaurant industry workers more entitled to 'tip' money than I am? That is the question that has to be answered logically before I would even consider changing my stance on tipping (that is, I don't tip unless I am super impressed).

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i dont like the thought of motivating people to continue in their chosen profession by personally raising their wages on par with other more difficult professions, professions that not everyone in society could do.

the shitty pay should be motivation to speed your journey into the world of getting a better job. tips in this concept are just a bandaid on a broken system that underappreciates education and career training.

the question is do people with low-wage jobs (young, inexperienced, or uneducated people) deserve all the luxuries of life (ie: Nice Things) or should they wallow just above the poverty line until they become relatively important to society?
Interesting post. I probably don't have to ask but... do you tip?
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Old Sep 19, 05
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i work a lot harder than what im paid to do, give me money.

I work for what im paid for, otherwise the union steps in. Maybe a few minutes early and stay a bit late. Otherwise its volenteer... and at least im heavely thanked for my extra hard work.
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Old Sep 19, 05
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This is a pretty interesting perspective... so do you think that establishments would pay servers more if tipping a minimum wasn't as common as it is? I'm rather skeptical of that... there will always be more people available to fill minimum wage jobs. I suspect that establishments couldn't care less how much servers get for tips... they don't see it on the books.
and you think you're gonna get good staff if they make minimum wage and that's it? i wouldn't even eat there because the service would be similar to what you receive at a food court.

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As a person who has worked in minimum wage jobs that do NOT benefit from the tipping tradition (read: low level IT jobs) I feel no empathy for people who complain about lousy tippers. I don't deserve good service if I don't tip? Does that mean that I should have sabotaged someone's RAM before installing it if they didn't tip me? Give me a break. I think that some people suffer from a serious case of "dilusions of entitlement".
yea that's really the same. more like if you took your sweet time with their order as opposed to outright destruction.

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The last summer job I had was an 8 hour shift with a 30 minute lunch that had me stressed out for most of the day, every day. I made $11/h.... after 4 years of computer science. Since I was working in a computer warehouse I did not get tipped. Answer me this: how are restaurant industry workers more entitled to 'tip' money than I am? That is the question that has to be answered logically before I would even consider changing my stance on tipping (that is, I don't tip unless I am super impressed).
ok, so when you were in this comp warehouse, did you meet and greet everyone you worked for? every SINGLE customer that had an order you worked on in any way. did you say hi? maybe seat them, and literally serve them? does your company's reputation depend on your very demeanour?

chances are you had a set shift with guaranteed hours. ie: 40hrs/week/5days/week that's pretty rare for servers. if it's busy did your company basically force you to work overtime? because if it's busy at a restaurant you can't just walk off at 10pm or whatever. unless you wanna get canned.

/it's how our society is, and you're not being a rebel if you don't tip. just a jerk.
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Old Sep 20, 05
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Originally Posted by mikey
milestones is better than earls and catus club....

bycott cactus club !!!! weak food,
You're totally biased! The only thing milestones has going for it is the blackberry martini.

ps - fritz tips, i have proof.
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Old Sep 20, 05
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ok, so when you were in this comp warehouse, did you meet and greet everyone you worked for? every SINGLE customer that had an order you worked on in any way. did you say hi? maybe seat them, and literally serve them? does your company's reputation depend on your very demeanour?

chances are you had a set shift with guaranteed hours. ie: 40hrs/week/5days/week that's pretty rare for servers. if it's busy did your company basically force you to work overtime? because if it's busy at a restaurant you can't just walk off at 10pm or whatever. unless you wanna get canned.
There are lots of non-tipped jobs where the hours aren't set and people have to work overtime. There are also lots of customer service and support jobs where people do not get tipped. Discrimination!

I'm just curious as to why this outrage-at-not-tipping taboo seems to only apply to the restaurant/bar industry.
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