Do you Tip?

[Hot Karl]

Originally Posted by FlorpIncarnate

There are lots of non-tipped jobs where the hours aren't set and people have to work overtime. There are also lots of customer service and support jobs where people do not get tipped. Discrimination!

I'm just curious as to why this outrage-at-not-tipping taboo seems to only apply to the restaurant/bar industry.

so why don't you explain why other service jobs would deserve a tip over a waiter?

[fritz]

Originally Posted by FlorpIncarnate

Interesting post. I probably don't have to ask but... do you tip?

this doesnt help my argument, but i tipped 40% last night :/ i goto the same restaurants a lot, and i have the sneaking suspicion that the majority of staff have the same opinion as the majority of the board. i dont think i'll be influencing people anytime soon, but who knows!

strange that a socialist concept has irked out an existence in such a libertarian environment

[fritz]

Originally Posted by Hot Karl

so why don't you explain why other service jobs would deserve a tip over a waiter?

i think anyone who works with the general public would agree that customers are on the whole, fucking idiots. they are not qualified to be making 1:1 decisions that affect your payment schedule. that job should be left to your boss and/or peers that understand your job and the conditions that surround it. imagine if your wages were controlled by customers in a call centre.. 'my paystub says i made negative 700 dollars!'

the argument is that to be fair, no one should get tips, i think
in a capitalist theory, the industry would regulate itself, instead of a society of restaurant goers acting as the motherly welfare state

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by fritz

this doesnt help my argument, but i tipped 40% last night :/

is it because the server remembered me from days of raaaave? haha

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by fritz

the argument is that to be fair, no one should get tips, i think
in a capitalist theory, the industry would regulate itself, instead of a society of restaurant goers acting as the motherly welfare state

Except capitalist theory works as well as communist theory, as the industrial revolution proved....

[FlorpIncarnate]

Originally Posted by Hot Karl

so why don't you explain why other service jobs would deserve a tip over a waiter?

You're shifting the burden of proof. I'm not saying that other jobs should be tipped. I'm simply challenging the assumption that we should tip this one.

Originally Posted by fritz

strange that a socialist concept has irked out an existence in such a libertarian environment
....
the argument is that to be fair, no one should get tips, i think
in a capitalist theory, the industry would regulate itself, instead of a society of restaurant goers acting as the motherly welfare state

Hmmm.... are you sure you're on track here? For it to be a socialist principle it would necessarily have to be centrally planned (at least) and enforced by physical power against those who resist it (how things always ends up)... and I don't think that you can call cultural memes centralized nor enforced by law. I think perhaps what you mean is "altruistic". This is more like altriusm accepted on a large scale rather than altruism enforced by the government.

How did this targeted altruism come about though? Why restaurant servers and not, say, janitors? I'm interested in this discussion from a more sociological point of view rather than a practical one. Were restaurant employees destitute in the past, or what? I don't see it as being anything other than just another minimum wage job. Clearly I'm missing a variable here... or maybe I'm not, and it's just another cultural tradition that is best left alone.

Oh, and by libertarian environment did you mean the restaurant industry or western society as a whole? If you meant the latter, excuse me while I electrocute myself with government-controlled electricity.

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Except capitalist theory works as well as communist theory, as the industrial revolution proved....

Not touching this with a 10 foot pole

[Carrie]

Originally Posted by galaxie

Not only guys.
Once upon a time I was really hammered and tipped my favourite hot cactus server 120%...my bill was only $30 to begin with but STILL. Man was I drunk that night! I've never had bad service at that location since, though...and he's now a bartender which means every time I'm there he feeds me free drinks :P So I guess it WAS worth it.

Annnnnyhow, back to the question at hand...I'm ALL about tipping if the service is good/great and so is the food. If the food sucks but the service was great, I'll make a point of speaking to the manager and ensuring that my tip goes 100% to my server and not the kitchen, or vice-versa.

I can understand Carrie's argument, but at the same time, accountants make a good 3x+ what a server at a resaturant does.

it's not my fault that they are in a low pay industry!

[.o0*HaLo*0o.]

If im getting good service, i wil tip... plain and simple

I hate when i go to a classy joint and the server treats me like i can barely afford mc dix... when little does he know.. maybe i could have MADE HIS NIGHT!

So bad service never gets you anything but a few pennies (more as a wake up call than a tip)

If i do tip (which is much more often than not) 15% - 25% of the bill, depending :)

[fritz]

Originally Posted by FlorpIncarnate

Hmmm.... are you sure you're on track here? For it to be a socialist principle it would necessarily have to be centrally planned (at least) and enforced by physical power against those who resist it (how things always ends up)... and I don't think that you can call cultural memes centralized nor enforced by law. I think perhaps what you mean is "altruistic". This is more like altriusm accepted on a large scale rather than altruism enforced by the government.

Oh, and by libertarian environment did you mean the restaurant industry or western society as a whole? If you meant the latter, excuse me while I electrocute myself with government-controlled electricity.

hey, industry is the new goverment. restaurants divvy out wages on the assumption of tips. if you are a server, their rules are the law. really if you take a step back, we're just subsidizing food preparation.

ps: they do have gratuity laws
pps: no more politics, it kills a thread quick

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by Carrie

it's not my fault that they are in a low pay industry!

Would you eat out as much if restaurants inflated their prices to accomodate for larger wages for their serving staff? Probably not.

[fritz]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

Would you eat out as much if restaurants inflated their prices to accomodate for larger wages for their serving staff? Probably not.

wait, do i still have to tip if they do that? my wallet doesnt care how the +15% shows up on the bill, its still the same total. restaurants already have a much higher markup than other stores anyways, sheesh!

[miss.myra]

eating out is still a luxury that has inflated costs involved


ps- what is for dinner?

[Veni*C]

made GREAT tips today....keep giving me all your money.... suckers! muwahahaha....

jk :P

[Hot Karl]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

Would you eat out as much if restaurants inflated their prices to accomodate for larger wages for their serving staff? Probably not.

so very true. have people tried preparing a decent meal with sides for say $15? it's a bit of a myth that eating at home is automatically cheaper. it's only cheaper if you're buying damn near everything in bulk, and then cooking in bulk.

[robyn]

ps - fritz tipped AGAIN, have proof.