ceasefire?

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by -ff-

OK mr. self educated - now for a short lesson on sovereignty and economics.

First - the US congress, no matter what it enacts, can never pass laws for Canada - regardless of what they ratify, they can 'make' canada a part of some American Union. We would have to do that ourselves.
Canada, for our part, is unlikely to sign on to a joint currency because we derive a significant advantage from a fluctuating currency. Eg - a low Canadian dollar makes it a lot cheaper for us to produce and export products, making them more attractive to foreign markets. If Canada were to sign on to the 'Amero Dollar' (something the government could never do without a massive public debate, you should keep in mind) we would lose control of ourmonetary policy, giving up control of one of our most potent tools for management of the economy.

Ever heard of sanctions there Mr.Public Education.

America will do whatever the fuck it wants t Canada and any other Nation in case you haven't noticed.

I guess everything I posted means nothing because your right n I'm wrong.

Try looking outside of your lil' bubble.

America bitch slaps canada whenever we try to do anything ie: Legalize weed, softwood, h20, electricity whatever they want they take, we give.

When the Amero Dollar hits you'll realize what you learned in economics is what they wanted you to believe.

I don't need to go to univ. to be lied to by the bitch ass canadian gov't.

The FTAA will do whatever the fuck it wants.

We signed NAFTA we will sign FTAA.

In case you haven't noticed our dollar is higher than ever and more of a threat to America than ever.

Try reading a bit more instaed of remembering what your latent homosexual eco teacher spewed in your mind.

Do I really need to post more links ?

You didn't even make 1 valid point.

Where the fuck do you live ?

It's sure as hell not Canada, we're America's bitch, wake up.

[-ff-]

Okay there kiddo.

Calm down.

Keep in mind, signing the FTAA does NOT mean instituting the Amero Dollar. I suppose only time will tell - but I really dont think we'll see any unified currency in the next several decades.

Believe what you want. Rant as much as you like. But before you reject all education as 'lies from the government' take a bit of time to sit down and listen to people (not myeslf, but professionals) who have dedicated years to learning. These people are not a bunch of stupid sheep. You show incredible arrogance by believing that you are so special and so smart that somehow by a few months (maybe a year or 2) of self education and internet reading that you've discovered the secret truth of the world that hundreds or thousands brilliant men and women who have dedicated their lives to understanding the way that the world works have somehow missed. Many of these people are as passionate as you are, and many think a lot more along the lines that you do than you'd believe. But they've spent the time to learn how things like international politics and economics actually work.

Rather than ranting like an angry lunatic, maybe try and focus your energies a little bit and pick up some books. Learn how international politics actually works. Yes, in the end power plays a major role, but things are a lot more complex than canada getting 'bitch slapped.'

[esoter1c]

I'm not gonna go "I told you so." when this shit happens.

I just want people to understand the NWO is gonna Globalize the World into a One World Currency, One World Court, basically a massive Dogmatic Police State.

I don't need a degree in anything to read what someone with a degree is saying.

I have been coming to my own conclusions since I was young, that's why i was expelled 8 times, I don't eat lies and bullshit with a smile like the others.

When I was in Gr.1 and they were tellin' us about Columbus, right away I started asking questions like, "How can you discover a country that's already inhabited."

I'm not sayin' everything in the Public Education system is shit but 99% of it is pure propaganda, evrything in history class is bullshit, everything in Socials was bullshit, the story is written by the victor, never do you see the slaughtered side of the story.

Everything you learn in Elementary is reversed in High school, then reversed again in college and the again in Univ.

Public education is garbage, the teachers are liars, no one is allowed to question the official gov't story, if you ever ask questions everyone just looks at you like your nuts.

I'm glad I'm a black sheep and questioned everything.

There are univ. students who serioulsy believe democracy is a real thing in America.

As you said canada would have some mass debate and the people would decide on the amero dollar, well guess what, nobody wanted NAFTA and it still happened.

You really need to stop thinking the gov't is here for you, to serve you, to listen to you, because they don't, all they do is rape us silly. spen 500,000 on lunch and then pass us the bill.

Never has any gov't ever served the peoples views, never.

Same bloodlines, same families for centuries raping the masses, sending us to war, they will never be stopped unless peopel educate themselves and stop believing gov't textbooks.

Do you really take pride in being Canadian ?

There is more hate in being proud of stealing an entire civilisations country and then writing in the history books that we were the victims of savages than there is in being a NAZI IMHO.

I am not the only one who sees the hate and rhetorical dogma spewed forth from the mouths of those who are supposed to serve us.

To sum up, look at the police and their motto, to serve and protect.

This country is a disgrace to humanity and society.

We slaughter millions and then call ourselves a great country.

I will never support any gov't, political system or "Textbook".

If Hitler had won we'd all be praising St.Adolf instead we praise the other evil, just as great as any NAZI regime.

Mass brainwashing is what the school system is.

Get in line with the other sheep become a cog in the machine and keep the perpetual hate machine rolling.

The NWO will hit, it already is and yet everybody sits there thinking they're free and have a voice in what happens, bullshit, they give you the choices to make, you don't make them, they do.

Sorry i rant and rave but my whole life eveyone is so fucking complacent yet they bitch about this or that and do nothing to stop it, they just sit there getting mind fucked and tehn they stick up for the ones that have kept them and their previous generations enslaved for centuries.

This is the point in time where the sheep either get slaughtered or they realize thy've been working and serving politicians and their dogmatic rhetoric of the ages for far too long.

Never will a public education compare to home schooling.

Home schooled kids are always waaaaay smarter in every subject.

My kids will be home schooled, fuck "Public Education" it's nothing but lies and patriotic bullshit.

Anyone who thinks they're "Canadian" is a sucker.

Only Native's are Canadian and American we're all Europeans.

I will never celebrate anything canadian, it makes me sick to watch 1000's of people celbrate the murder and genocide of an entire peoples.

Nevermind the fuckin' holocaust how about what we did !?

K i'm done.

I really don't care what anybody thinks of me or my views, at least I have my own.

PS: Canadian Sovereignty was just killed. Marc Emery........

[AGROculture]

Does anyone here condone the bombing of civilian targets?

[BongMan]

I like how even though you were put in your place you continue to spout the same rhetoric BS you have it is unfortunate that you are so fucking pig headed that you don't wanna sit and listen to people who study and live this stuff.

[fable]

attn:ff : check your pm's

and from now watch your fucking mouth. Im here to debate, inform and learn more myself in regards to political bases threads.

Your making assumptions, and make personal judgments based on a point that i had already told you came from a base emotion, and not something i was actaully serious about or thought would help.

You called me arrogant, and idealistic, and counterproductive without knowing anything about me, where im coming from, what i do? And that is very serious where i see things.

So debate me on my points, share what "school knowledge" you have since you like to make a point of calling other people down becuase they are self educated, or sorry, you presume to think they are self educated. You also seem to like to throw around the fact that you study economics, so answer a few of my questions, and stop making comments on what you think i am, or what im trying to do, or what conspiracy theory i believe in,

Come correct asshole, and if you want to continue your shit slinging come find me, or ill find you.

Once again my political work/actions are not a game, and i do not engage in fights with people, im rather pacifistic in that matter, but if someone calls me out, in a baseless show of bravado, i will not let it slide.

dead serious asshole

[-ff-]

Originally Posted by fable

attn:ff : check your pm's

and from now watch your fucking mouth. Im here to debate, inform and learn more myself in regards to political bases threads.

If you were here to 'debate' you wouldn't say stupid things like

Come correct asshole, and if you want to continue your shit slinging come find me, or ill find you.

Originally Posted by fable

You called me arrogant, and idealistic, and counterproductive without knowing anything about me, where im coming from, what i do? And that is very serious where i see things.

If you'd bothered to actually read my post before flipping out, you would have noticed two things about it. First, I was telling you that if you'd been around here for a while you would know that I see things largely from your perspective. Second, I was telling you that your approach - long or angry calls to arms is both idealistic and counterproductive here. I say idealistic not necessarily as a negative (I myself share some of that idealism) but I also say counterproductive because on this board (as I have learned, and markpaul, 3507321C, and Wum [actually- where'd he go?] haven't seemed to yet) that type of post comes across largely as a lecture. People know a war is going on here, and it turns out they pretty much don't care. People come here to network, talk about music, talk about drugs, be teenagers, ect. The latest little event in the middle east is about the farthest thing from their minds. I will at this point apologize for the arrogance comment - that maybe wasn't fair and probably came from me lumping you in together with markpaul and 3507321C whose posts are without a doubt arrogant.

So debate me on my points, share what "school knowledge" you have since you like to make a point of calling other people down becuase they are self educated, or sorry, you presume to think they are self educated. You also seem to like to throw around the fact that you study economics, so answer a few of my questions, and stop making comments on what you think i am, or what im trying to do, or what conspiracy theory i believe in,

'share my school knowledge.' Hmm, well generally I try and stay out of these types of threads because when I get involved, they turn into rediculous pissing contests just like this one that take up a lot of my time and that in the end no one actually cares about because of the fact that we are on a FUCKING RAVE MESSAGE BOARD. As I noted above, I used to weigh right in. Turns out its a waste of time.
Also, I don't study economics - I did a degree in political science. I just think its useful for people to know a little bit about a topic before they start screaming bloody alarmist murder as our friend here was doing.

Once again my political work/actions are not a game, and i do not engage in fights with people, im rather pacifistic in that matter, but if someone calls me out, in a baseless show of bravado, i will not let it slide.
dead serious asshole

"I'm a pacifist, except when I get angry at someone who says things I don't like, at which point I threaten to beat the shit out of them."
Cool your jets man. Good for you for going out there and being active. The world needs people who are comitted. But learn to grow a bit of a thicker skin, because I promise you if you stay in the world of contentious politics you're going to have to put up with a lot worse than me.

[fable]

hmm did i say i was a pacifist somewhere? Your right i do need to grow a thicker skin. I find when someone calls me arrogant, or relates my writing to a need to feel intelligent, or as counter-productive i get my back up no doubt. I dont think i was refering to kicking your ass, so much as i was going to smack the shit outta you( yes, yes im fully aware that violence is counter-productive and immature)

Realistically, i was never serious about the asassination remark, and explained that from the get go. But your reply after was what bothered me. Come after the facts, because if you make it personal, then you disrespect, and if you disrespect, ITS on you in regards to something, and although i ATTEMPT to learn the higher road, in these situations, im gonna be the one who ends things - its the way i was brought, and its behaviour i need to change.

But in this world of chaos, and death, we really do not have the TIME to banter, or talk shit, debate YES, character asassinations NO! Go through my posts, and i ask you to find one point/fact/question that is flawed or incorrect. Then go back, and find an example of me lecturing, or speaking in pompous terms, if you do, then bring it up, and we can debate on that point.

Maybe its wrong, and counter-productive, but i see words as powerful as if they were said in person (maybe its due to what i put into my writing- which is everything) and so i think, if someone called me out, on a personal note, in real life, and we were in the midst of a discussion, about something as dire as currents occupations across the globe, id tear off his fucking head! That doesnt speak in terms of my commitment to activism, that just states that i have a serious temper, and need to chill the fuck out (yes you already stated that)

I could tell you were a poli-sci cat from the get go, i was too in another life, and although its definetly relevent, we are not in an era, where we can afford the time to sit down and debate. Thats done in the UN, and the UN collectively is sitting on the fence while people die - straight and simple.

I felt that there was a pompous note to your prose, because i feel that cats like 3t-utwejfwf whatever the fuck his name, speaks on what he feels and knows, he doesnt pidegeonhole, or alienate headz, and he throws shit down. This being combined with you making things personal, does not aid the situation whatsoever, but in lieu of my "intentions of violence" i sincerely apologise, and would like to stress that my organization in no way condons behaviour specific to what was percieved from what i had said.

I think if i headed my own words i wouldnt have started this shiticane in the first place, by being so flipant of "asassinations"

BUT, watch the way you address people, mate! wether its on a rave forumn or not especially in the context of politics, because arrogance aside, the war+occupations around the globe have been responsible for hundreds of deaths in the time it took me to write this post.

I thought id stay away from this site, i dont really do the chat forumn thing since way back in the loungex days, and stay on nwdnb, mainly becuase its a crowd closer to me in age, and culturely. This forum may just be a RAVE forumn, but that doesnt describe shit about the people. The younger cats have immense interest, and concerns about whats going on. They got some seriously fucked up shoes to fill, and I NEVER assume that young cats are all about ecstacy and shitty trance. From the growing output on the streets, in the younger cats that have an important role in changing things in the world. And just because some kid is talking about how he "rolls" his/her "e" one minute does not mean that he cant talk about whats going in Israel the next - point being, its ok to have some serious shit drop on this board, on an expansion/public awareness tip, this is where I SHOULD BE. The only thing i SHOULDNT be doing is letting bullshit get in the way of me attempting to connect with people, and sharing information.

This board can be fun and etertaining as the next, but also serves a powerful tool of real communication.

Once again i apologise for being agro, but DO NOT CALL ME OUT ON A PERSONAL NOTE, KEEP IT TO THE DEBATE,otherwise like i mentioned before, come correct in person ya dig.

I consider this case closed, and i did learn a thing or two from you in the last few posts, about taking the higher road, and keeping focussed on what i hope to help bring about.

"I'm a pacifist, except when I get angry at someone who says things I don't like, at which point I threaten to beat the shit out of them."

hmm i concede to the hypocricy

[AGROculture]

Does anyone here condone the bombing of civilian targets?

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by AGROculture

Does anyone here condone the bombing of civilian targets?

I don't condone violence in any shape or form.

Maybe one day man will evolve past violence and hate.

There really is no hope for mankind in my minds eye.

Maybe it's just gone too far and everything needs to be started over anew.

Another deluge maybe ?

From the looks of things mother nature's kicking in her defenses on us sycophants.

I'm not religious but looking at what these holy texts say about the end times ie: floods, hurricanes etc.... it's fuckin' freakin' me out maaaan !

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by BongMan

I like how even though you were put in your place you continue to spout the same rhetoric BS you have it is unfortunate that you are so fucking pig headed that you don't wanna sit and listen to people who study and live this stuff.

For your opinion, I'll throw it in the pile with the rest of em'.