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Sep 25, 05
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They think this shit doesn't affect them because they're in Canada. Nice and safe with their skyrocketing gas prices. I wonder why the gas is so expensive ?
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Sep 25, 05
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1. I care. I'm half Jewish. 2. Everything effects everything. We're just temporarily protected here in North America because of our wealth and power. But it's just a bubble and it won't last. 3. Gas is expensive because the planet is running out. (see "The End of Suburbia" for the rather alarming info).
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Sep 25, 05
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I am privy through the course of my work to some of the most argumentative, ignorant, small minded, agressive, and uterly illogical rants on the planet. But I believe people DO CARE, and most people have a bit of background on current issues around the globe, BUT they are either too far separated from the connection that events abroad have with events/situations/realities at 'home,' or they feel that they have too many 'problems' in their own life to deal with - which is perfetly valid, skyrocketing 'cost of living' ie. rent, mortgage, tuition, commuting, transit, childcare, medication, and JOB SECURITY too name a few. This inherant struggles to survive/live life are connected with the amazing amount of struggles abroad.
I truly belive that the Israel government along side the US government has been the main perpatrator behind the 50+ year battle between Israel and Palestine, i belive that the Israel working/poor class combined with the jewish working/poor classes across the globe have been artificially convinced that they have more in common with the Israeli government then the people of Palestine. It has been the Israel GOVERNMENT along with support from the US, that has reinforced segragation and ethnic/cultural predjudice through physical seperation, as well as intellectual segregration through massive media propaganda drives. The peoples of BOTH nations are currently suffering, and these recent actions only cements the fact that the Governments of such 'power' nations do NOT give a shit about the regular working/poor classes of their respective peoples. The ceasefire was shakey @ best and with the Israel military pumped up on righteousness, and the Palestinian Hamas group pumped up the need for revenge, i can only pray that things are resolved before another 50+ years pass. fuck! fable
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Sep 25, 05
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Sep 25, 05
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Both sides are to blame for this shit neither is really any more responsible then the other anymore. Would you really rather have Netanue or however you spell his name running it cause I am willing to bet he would be runnin an all out offensive. Ariel can't just let those rocket attacks go unpunished he will continue to strike untill they subside and of course Hamas will rally the people and strike again. To bad people just don't wanna forget and give peace a fucking chance.
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Sep 25, 05
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Wow. How does one find out more information about this 50 year war? I heard about the cease fire and i didn't even know that the israelites were fighting the palestinians in the first place! Why doesn't CNN cover that shit also? I wanna know!
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Sep 25, 05
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But, when hurricane after hurricane either destroys or forces the evacuation of most of your country's major refineries & distribution centres without warning, then gas prices are noticeably affected. The US has to make do with 5 million barrels/day less than what was already considered a dwindling supply and it's gonna be like that for some time still. It could even get a hell of a lot worse before it gets any better. Something like 20 crude refineries in Alabama, Lousiana, Texas & Mississipi won't be able to resume production for weeks. Absurd gas prices I understand—deranged Israeli militants I do not.
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Sep 25, 05
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Finally !
Some decent conversation !
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2. You actually agree with me now that Canada is NOT safe ? 3. Seen that docu. and every other, still Arabs be runin' tings. 4. Watch "Surplus" http://www.chomskytorrents.org/Torre...gePage&Page=9# PS: I wasn't thinkin' of you specifically, 707. Quote:
There are alot of reliable sources that have shown Hamas is run by the Mossad, create your enemies so you have a reason to kill. Nothin' new there, MI-6 was exposed as the head of many Neo-Nazi groups. Quote:
The first mission the Marines had when the Iraqi war started was to divert the Oil Pipeline straight to Israel. IMHO Armageddon is around the corner.
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Sep 25, 05
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We understand we are smart we just don't necessarily agree with you on many subject, I am not a fan of conspiracy theories. I don't like people that say it is all Isreal is all to blame but I also don't agree with people who say it is all the Palestinians. Both sides are to blame Isreal can stand to back the fuck off and Hamas and other jihad groups could stand to try some civility and not fire rockets off into jewish towns. It is a fucking circle and they are all to blame none can hold thiere head above the other and untill they see that this will not end.
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Sep 25, 05
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Christian Right.
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It really opened my eyes as to how much of this is American Christian Right wing Zionists who vehemently believe that Jesus will not show up until every grain of sand in Israel belongs to the Jews, not just the Israel we see on maps now, but Israel as it was in biblical times. This Biblical israeli border extends into many Arab countries including Egypt. Most Jews in Israel want peace and an Palestinian state. American Christian's do not, Neo-Cons do not, Orthodox Jews do not. I don't think people really realize just what religious fanatics believe. There are good and bad in all races. Today's Province reported on the simultaneous peace rallies held in Israel and Palestine, the people want peace, the Gov'ts do not. Religion is dogma in it's lowest form. As long as ignorant uneducated men run the Gov'ts the people will die.
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Sep 25, 05
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I will have to agree with you on this it is the same way with the hardline jihadist they don't want a Jewish state. I am not a religious person never have been unfortunatly it has been the cause and push for war for 100's of years and I don't see it ending anytime in the near future.
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Sep 25, 05
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Yeh ! (A La Dizee Rascal)
All these Bible's, Koran's and Talmud's all say the same Dogmatic jargon.
All of em' say this is the end times, the final battle. I really think this whole Iran nuclear energy/bomb thing is gonna start WW3. Russia is backing Iran so is China. The religious fanatics in America are gonna get us all killed. I guess the New Atlantis is doomed.
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Sep 25, 05
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1) its Sharon 2) Real constructive advice there. For an anti-war activist you sure know how to talk escalation. (Remember what happened when Rabin was assassinated? The end of the peace process for about a decade.)
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Sep 25, 05
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If only Americans knew their Democracy is a lie and woke up. Same blooslines for 1000's of years sendin' the people to die for their money. 
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Sep 25, 05
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Safe being a relative term, I guess I still disagree with you. Last edited by Grapes; Sep 25, 05 at 07:48 PM.
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2)who said anything about me attempting to give constructive advice? I may be an anti-war/occupation activist, but that does NOT mean that i wear a "stereotypical peace loving bead wearing hippy" hat either. I, on occasion like to explore my more base of reactions - such as locking a few member of the Israel and US governments in a airtight garage with a car running. feel free to continue assigning any pre judgement you'd like. Last edited by fable; Sep 25, 05 at 09:42 PM.
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Sep 25, 05
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I sold my bomb shelter for a gallon of gas DOH!
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Sep 25, 05
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1/2 Polish......
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2/Safe from America forcing us into an Amerodollar, not likely.
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Sep 26, 05
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And I never said you were a 'peace loving bead wearing hippy.' But since arriving on this board you've tried very hard to project an image of intelligence and knowledgeability. If you had a grain of sense in your head, however, you'd know that assassinating the leader of Israel would lead to rivers of blood in the streets, the end of the Gaza withdrawl plan, complete re-takover of Israeli politics by the Jewish hard-right and pretty much the end of any possibility of a Palestinian state on the West Bank for decades. Let me make clear that I myself am strongly anti war (and if you'd been here a few years ago, you'd have seen me taking many of the counterproductively arrogant idealistic stands you yourself are making right now). I support the Palestinians in their struggle for a state, and I recognize Israel as an occupying force with more power and more resources. That said, the conflict is NOT black and white (israelis bad, palestinians good). There are crazy fucked up stupid people who want to stop peace from ever occurring on both sides - and it is these crazy fucked up stupid people who insist on firing rockets into Israel from Gaza after the Israelis start withdrawing from the region.
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Sep 26, 05
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By all means I'm not justifying the Israeli airstrikes but shouldn't the ceasefire go both ways?
The strikes were in response to Palestinian bombings. I do sympathise with the Palestians however I don't like the fact that their targets are always busses full of innocent civilians, or crowded restaraunts or.... I understand they do that for maximum impact, since they just don't have the power to take out Israeli military targets But still......it's sickening, and unjustifiable. The Israelis aren't innocent either, they have killed 1000's of innocent people. But their targets are not civilian targets.
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Sep 26, 05
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The Primrose Path they're trying to lead us down leads down a slippery slope oriented towards DESTROYING THE DOLLAR to usher in the AMERO and the FTAA and the FTAA leads to CODEX: http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/dshea.htm Powerful forces want to DESTROY the US Dollar and to usher in a hemispheric wide currency called The AMERO- http://oldfraser.lexi.net/publicatio...es/1999/amero/ Now, the FTAA (Free Trade Area of the Americas) looms ominously above our nation – a treaty that will “unite” 34 countries from the top of Canada to the lower tip of South America. The passage of this legislature is so far-reaching that it will dramatically affect our farmers, truckers, military, OSHA, hiring and business practices, manufacturing, hospitals, and schools; along with our safety, fuel needs, immigration and population numbers. Even our dollar will be eliminated, replaced by the “amero.” If such a notion unsettles you, fasten your seatbelts because the FTAA has been described as a “broadening and deepening” of NAFTA. Now, considering how broad and deep NAFTA’s destruction has been to this country, how much broader and deeper can we afford to go before a final stake is plunged into America’s heart? http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:D...o+dollar&hl=en Now to answer your q, I was expellled from 8 different high schools. I am self educated. Maybe you should google some shit up before asking smug q's. Oh yeah I forgot only wacko conspiracy nuts believe the Internet.
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Sep 26, 05
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OK mr. self educated - now for a short lesson on sovereignty and economics.
First - the US congress, no matter what it enacts, can never pass laws for Canada - regardless of what they ratify, they can 'make' canada a part of some American Union. We would have to do that ourselves. Canada, for our part, is unlikely to sign on to a joint currency because we derive a significant advantage from a fluctuating currency. Eg - a low Canadian dollar makes it a lot cheaper for us to produce and export products, making them more attractive to foreign markets. If Canada were to sign on to the 'Amero Dollar' (something the government could never do without a massive public debate, you should keep in mind) we would lose control of ourmonetary policy, giving up control of one of our most potent tools for management of the economy.
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