general strike tomorrow?

[t-skywalker]

so this is just one day and it is suppose to be wed???

[t-skywalker]

CONFIRMED!!!!! no strike:) just got off the phone with traslink.....everything is good!!!

[zarlon]

rad how things like this wouldnt affect me...

living 10 min away from work and all :)

[shorerider]

Originally Posted by crookedking

i had to return my wheelchair :(

now i have to use my legs to get around. it's soooo embarassing.

I'm missing something here, aren't I?

[narc]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

Yeah piss the public off more, that will sure rally sympathy for your cause.


fuckfaces.

yet bus drivers question why passengers are so mean & unruly...

[automatic]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

Isn't me being late for work for a reason I am not involved in, not getting paid for a full day of work because I was late, having it count against me, or having to pay out of my own pocket to take a taxi to work unreasonable and unfair? Absolutely.

how do you like that 8 hour workday, overtime, break periods, benefits, and safe working conditions you have? because if it wasn't for unionized labour sticking up for its workers it's debatable that you'd have any of those things. unionized labour raises living and working conditions for us all, public and private sector.

....at least until they outsource your job to india.....all those people getting fat in the video game industry around here better take a long look 10 years down the road, i-tell-you-what.

[automatic]

Originally Posted by Narc

Thu.Nov 10: RIP: Sonar Nightclub @ Sonar
Fri.Nov 25: TBA @ Sonar

GOLD!!!!!!!

[Mr.Wrong]

i gotsta get to school and do my learnin

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by automatic

how do you like that 8 hour workday, overtime, break periods, benefits, and safe working conditions you have? because if it wasn't for unionized labour sticking up for its workers it's debatable that you'd have any of those things. unionized labour raises living and working conditions for us all, public and private sector.

....at least until they outsource your job to india.....all those people getting fat in the video game industry around here better take a long look 10 years down the road, i-tell-you-what.

i can see both points (yours and myra's) as valid here.

if the bus people went on strike, i would be extremely pissed off as well. i can't get to my classes at ubc without the bus (or i would have to take a taxi) and i'm PAYING for those classes. plus, it's right around midterms.

buuuut i can also sympathize with the strikers because how are they going to get their message across to the government if they can't do things like this.

it's a hard call. and there is definitly a lot of grey area where you can be pissed and supportive at the same time.

[automatic]

Originally Posted by Sidekick

it's a hard call. and there is definitly a lot of grey area where you can be pissed and supportive at the same time.

i think that in this case the biggest problem is the government legislating the teachers back to work BEFORE they've gone on strike legally. while it's obvious that the system of bargaining between teachers and their employers in this province leaves much to be desired, typically in the past the teachers would be allowed to go on strike for a couple of days/weeks before being legislated back to work, thereby allowing them to air their grievances in public. by legislating the teachers back to work before they went on strike and imposing a contract (never mind the fact that they've also designated them an essential service), the governement is taking away the most effective tool the teachers had to put pressure on their employers.

[acidic_liquid]

Bottomline: blame the government?

:D

[Ree Fresh]

^ Exactly, If only Gordon Camble would be willing to talk and nogociate with the teachers we wouldnt have this problem.

Automatic: Youve said it all too well!!!

Myra: What time do you start work, maybe I can help? I also have nothing to really do with this stirke either and probly going to loose over 3 weeks of wages, but im not a fan of a sheep following society and believe you should stand up for your rights. Unions are about respect and taking care of one another.


My best bet is that the rumore about a gernaral strike will probly be on Friday the 21st as I hear there is also a huge rally happening down town. I also believe it will only be a one day thing... However that depends if the unions can get there point accross that were not putting up with legislative contracts and laws by the government.

[Ree Fresh]

Social Responsibility:

-Occurs when a retailer acts in the best interests of society -- as well as itself. The challenge is to balance corporate citizenship with a fair level of profits.

-The idea that businesses should not function amorally, but instead should contribute to the welfare of their communities.

-Is a doctrine that claims that an entity whether it is state, government, corporation, organization or individual has a responsibility to society. This responsibility can be "negative," in that it is a responsibility to refrain from acting, or it can by "positive," meaning a responsibility to act.

[mugsy]

it'll be on friday, and only one day according to a certain union. but heu workers are supposed to not be striking, rather have people who are not working on that day support the lines.


question - at royal columbian on monday there were strikers for heu picketing. but as i was in a hurry and my dad wasnt really up to asking when he was there, i didnt find out why. didnt see any "supporting the bctf" signs. anyone know why?

[Cdn_Brdr]

Originally Posted by mugsy

it'll be on friday, and only one day according to a certain union. but heu workers are supposed to not be striking, rather have people who are not working on that day support the lines.


question - at royal columbian on monday there were strikers for heu picketing. but as i was in a hurry and my dad wasnt really up to asking when he was there, i didnt find out why. didnt see any "supporting the bctf" signs. anyone know why?

The strike you saw was the food workers. They're picketing at VGH as well. They have a damn good reason too.... they make around $10 hr at their position while employees for the same job in other provinces are making closer to $15 or higher.

[yoko*]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

Isn't me being late for work for a reason I am not involved in, not getting paid for a full day of work because I was late, having it count against me, or having to pay out of my own pocket to take a taxi to work unreasonable and unfair? Absolutely.

I feel the same way as you. I was bitching about it at work this morning when my coworkers alerted me of this situation. They have close relationships with people who are teachers so they tried to help me look on the bright side of this situation, on the other hand... I can't help that I am annoyed and they are not the ones who have to commute to work and school for one hour because they live downtown and minutes away from work. Had this been their situation I'm confident that they'd be just as annoyed as me. I can't afford to NOT show up to work because of this, and I can't afford to taxi there and back as it will likely cost more than half of what I'll make in that day.

Depriving people of public transit mostly affects a certain population of people, the majority which consist of those who cannot afford to drive. This strategy doesn't affect the realtively wealthy and fortunate and only serves as a burdenn to many of those who are financially burdened by driving.

GRr,

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by automatic

i think that in this case the biggest problem is the government legislating the teachers back to work BEFORE they've gone on strike legally. while it's obvious that the system of bargaining between teachers and their employers in this province leaves much to be desired, typically in the past the teachers would be allowed to go on strike for a couple of days/weeks before being legislated back to work, thereby allowing them to air their grievances in public. by legislating the teachers back to work before they went on strike and imposing a contract (never mind the fact that they've also designated them an essential service), the governement is taking away the most effective tool the teachers had to put pressure on their employers.

don't get me wrong here. i agree that the government is being unfair.

but i think we're also allowed to be pissed if we can't get to work or school because there are no busses.

[Ree Fresh]

Originally Posted by Sidekick

don't get me wrong here. i agree that the government is being unfair.

but i think we're also allowed to be pissed if we can't get to work or school because there are no busses.

However you being pissed off at the bus drivers doesnt show that you have any respect or believe that you feel the government is being unfair.

Thats what the government wants. They want the public to point their fingers and express thier anger on the strikers. Pay close attention to the media. You can tell what side the media is favouring. Theres alot of information the media wont get into when its in suport of the teachers or union workers.

Illl probly be going on 31/2 weeks with out work next week jake. Its stressing me out like mad, but im not going to be selfish and blame others for how its effected me. Thats the one thing I really like about unions, its their respect and loyalty towards each other. Therefore I know and hope that when our CUPE contract comes up in the next 6 months... hopefully our union wont be forced with a legislative agreement and can count on others to back us up.

Even though many of you may not even be in a union, understand that a vast majority of BC's working population is apart of one. When you suport the stirkes your suporting your fellow citizens and their rights.

[fable]

Thats what the government wants. They want the public to point their fingers and express thier anger on the strikers. Pay close attention to the media. You can tell what side the media is favouring. Theres alot of information the media wont get into when its in suport of the teachers or union workers.

EXACTLY!
this tactic is a major governmental mandate since, well the beginning of government! Artificical divisions that arise as a product of governmental inactivity - why chance messing things up further, when the general public can tear eachother to pieces, and then the government can make the "dramatic" rescue, government looks like they were responsible for fixing the situation, the "sheep" of the public (who usaully have the most influence for some sick reason?) fall back in line......

Debate has been flying back and fourth between the public, non-stop, but the bottom line at this point is, if you dont support the strike, and arent able to come up with an alternate solution then your SUPPORTING the government..no ifs, ands, or buts...you can come up with all the rhetoric, and statistics, and anything else, but you are perpetuating the move for greater governmental control and less accountability. I dont know how to make it more clear to people, that the entity (however tarnished) is still the best tool in order for the working (or "middleclass") to excercise their rights, and fight for them in the first place >its a tough situation - tough for the union members, tough for the students, tough for a lot of groups of people, but if we crumle now, like we have in the past...not a fucking thing changes!

-an idea for the students::study groups?? a little self dicipline, and self iniated learning, for those in grade 12, you are less than six months from doing this anyways, if you are planning to go college/university
----grab old provincial exams of line/ grab the curriculums from other provinces/ set a scheduale for yourself!! Sooner or later, youll be back @ school, and you will have the ability to challenge exams, have crash study classes to refocus on what you still need to accomplish.
------adapt, overcome, this is what surrvivors, and succesful youth, students and adults do everyday--and from the few rallys ive been to, the stuents that i have had the pleasure of meeting, were resourceful, bright, and driven

Get in the fight, put your fucking head down, think! and ACT!

no more excuses//we will get what we give//

nuff said

action+mobilization
fable

ps:instead of coming onto this board, look up some online tutorials, get on msnger and hook up some study groups, start getting the leg work done for post secondary now!, instead of a one person babysitting one kid, how bout grouping them up, and the freed up people can jump in with the teachers, scope out colleges, go to the LIBRARY!

i saw these two girls on the news the other day, first saying they support the teachers, and then turn around anf go its time to go back to work?!? I understand, considering they still teens, but, the hypocricy of statement is obvious. They seemed like resourceful girls by the way they talked, and im sure by superficial standards, they probably spend a lot of time hitting the books anyways, so why cant they do that now? In a year or so, professors do a lecture, ta's give advice, but mainly ITS ALL ON YOU, think of it as getting an early start, i garantee you will have an edge on many other cats when you enter the profesionall work force--

KEEP YOUR HEADS UP!

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by wellbelove's

However you being pissed off at the bus drivers doesnt show that you have any respect or believe that you feel the government is being unfair.

Thats what the government wants. They want the public to point their fingers and express thier anger on the strikers. Pay close attention to the media. You can tell what side the media is favouring. Theres alot of information the media wont get into when its in suport of the teachers or union workers.

Illl probly be going on 31/2 weeks with out work next week jake. Its stressing me out like mad, but im not going to be selfish and blame others for how its effected me. Thats the one thing I really like about unions, its their respect and loyalty towards each other. Therefore I know and hope that when our CUPE contract comes up in the next 6 months... hopefully our union wont be forced with a legislative agreement and can count on others to back us up.

Even though many of you may not even be in a union, understand that a vast majority of BC's working population is apart of one. When you suport the stirkes your suporting your fellow citizens and their rights.

i'm not being selfish and blaming others for how this is affecting me. although is that really selfish? i didn't actually do anything here. so blaming others is correct since i didn't cause anything. i didn't even vote for this current liberal government. and anyway, i'm not blaming anyone.

i never said i would be pissed off at the bus drivers or the teachers. i just said i would be pissed.

i wouldn't yell at bus drivers because they went on strike to support the teachers. i would just generally be pissed off that i couldn't get to school. i would be mad at the system that allows things like this to happen (whether that be the government's fault or otherwise).

you don't have to be mad AT someone all the time, you can just be mad.

[t-skywalker]

aside from politics...my boss has told us it is suppose to be friday...same situation that occured in victoria on monday and the same thing in nelson on tuesday.....they arent allowed to cross the picket line so they sey it up right where they have to drive out..or how ever it works......so dont count on transit for the day.....and it sounds like a 90% chance its going to happen:(....i have to pay 20$ cab ride to make it to work..im soo pissed

[ebbomega]

I live in Vancouver and work in Surrey.

I make little over minimum.

I cannot afford a transit strike and continue going to work.

I will get fired the third day I'm not there.

I really hope that they hire me as a teacher afterwards, because if that happens that union will owe me.

The teachers currently have a lot of public support. Getting the transit services involved in it will lose a lot of that support, GUARANTEED. All this will push the government to do will be to crack down on the unions and start arresting picketers. That's totally what I want to see happen.

I support the Teacher's Strike, but if the busses go down because of it they've officially lost all my sympathy.

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by yoko*

I feel the same way as you. I was bitching about it at work this morning when my coworkers alerted me of this situation. They have close relationships with people who are teachers so they tried to help me look on the bright side of this situation, on the other hand... I can't help that I am annoyed and they are not the ones who have to commute to work and school for one hour because they live downtown and minutes away from work. Had this been their situation I'm confident that they'd be just as annoyed as me. I can't afford to NOT show up to work because of this, and I can't afford to taxi there and back as it will likely cost more than half of what I'll make in that day.

Depriving people of public transit mostly affects a certain population of people, the majority which consist of those who cannot afford to drive. This strategy doesn't affect the realtively wealthy and fortunate and only serves as a burdenn to many of those who are financially burdened by driving.

GRr,

Hm, wonder why this point hasn't been responded to? Is it because she has one? Punishing the general (and for the most part middle to lower class) public is NOT punishing the government.

[Ree Fresh]

Originally Posted by Sidekick

i'm not being selfish and blaming others for how this is affecting me. although is that really selfish? i didn't actually do anything here. so blaming others is correct since i didn't cause anything. i didn't even vote for this current liberal government. and anyway, i'm not blaming anyone.

i never said i would be pissed off at the bus drivers or the teachers. i just said i would be pissed. .

Sorry Jake, but there are alot of ppl who are thinking about how it soley effects them and how its messing up their lifes. What Fable and I were trying to point is if your not doing anything... then your not suporting... infact your suproting the government. It's like if you had to vote on giving the teacehrs a raise. Basikly anyone who didnt even vote was suporting the No side of the vote. This is how the government get what it wants... if they keep things down low and dotn have a society that cares or suports their believes... then they can get away with anything.

Originally Posted by Sidekick

i wouldn't yell at bus drivers because they went on strike to support the teachers. i would just generally be pissed off that i couldn't get to school. i would be mad at the system that allows things like this to happen (whether that be the government's fault or otherwise).

you don't have to be mad AT someone all the time, you can just be mad.

Originally Posted by Sidekick

but i think we're also allowed to be pissed if we can't get to work or school because there are no busses..

Maybe I miss read what you were trying to get accross... as ive been suffering for weeks, not just one day. Ofcorse im angry and up set with whats going on, but still suport them.

The teachers and union member are well aware that ppl are suffering... as I had one single month tell us she had just started a new job and would probly loose it if the strike continued. Hopefully these sacrifices will show the governemnt how seriouse we are about suporting our public education system and treating the unions with respect.

[justa~gurl]

Originally Posted by Kelster

hmm shitty

i suppose calling translink may help us get too the bottom of this rumour. i don't have the patients too be answering too automated voices and be put on hold right now, any volunteers?

me- "Agent... AGENT!"

"i'll transfer your call, I'll transfer your call!"