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Oct 20, 05
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I'm not even going to waste my time with a response.
However much I disagree with you, however much you disagree with me and question my sources of information; you will never get anyone to listen to you while you insult them. 
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Oct 20, 05
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Pretty convenient that once I ask you for the sources of your information you wilt like a flower and hide behind "you'll never get anyone to listen when you insult them."
Didn't you just tell me to take my head out of my ass? Is that some way of telling me you like me? Or is that an insult... You don't have a leg to stand on in your arguement and you're running away.
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Oct 20, 05
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There is no winning with this debate. You do not support the teachers. props, whatever you want to hear. I don't agree with you. I'm not wilting. I'm not running away. If you are REALLY curious about where I'm getting all my information from, fire me a private msg. Quote:
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Fable is a cool cat.
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Oct 20, 05
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This is not my carrer, I did not require any specialized education to get here, so um, I wouldn't care. In the past year me and a lot of my colleagues at my last job DID GET LAID OFF so that my entire department could be contracted out to a different company where workers were paid considerably less. I had adequate notice, I found another job within two weeks, and I recieved no severance as a result. I wasn't happy with the job anyways, so it was really a blessing in disguise. I'm not necessarily negating sympathy for people who are on strike, power to them for fighting for what they believe in. Why won't people on this site let ME state what I believe in even if it steps on people's toes? I'm not going to be buillied into agreeing with people's opinions, even if you make it personal (not directly referring to this post, of course). Please, let me HAVE MY OWN OPINION, even if you don't agree. Again, this is JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION, because this was a personal question.
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Just copy and paste a few links. Give me the article in the paper. A book you read. SOMETHING. Why should I flirt with you in PM's just to understand how you came up with the information you claim is true? Quote:
Just give me the stats that show either of the following: 1) that the government has CUT education funding 2) that class sizes are much bigger than they were Give me something.
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 yes. im definately in love with you.
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Oct 20, 05
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From a person who works in a private sector who is also part of a union, I support a higher education, however I don't think that penalizing kids is constructive... more destructive if you tell me.
Didn't we have one of these last year and both parties promised that in the future the kids wouldn't be affected?  Wasn't there also a 7% increase somewhere...?I shake my head at all those scholarships extinguished and admission approvals missed.
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Oct 20, 05
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Well, I've gone through here and read every post, and read each side's arguements. I, personally, agree with the teachers. I believe that the government is unfairly treating them. However, I don't claim to know every side of this. Is it true that the government passed a law WITHOUT CONSULTATION OR VOTING to make teachers an essential service?
I do know, however, is that class sizes ARE too large. I'm not in school right now, but when I was I know there were classes when there were too many people to even have SEATS for everyone. How does that work properly?!? Or when there were not enough textbooks and so you had to share? I, for one, believe that this is should not be tolerated. A right of being in an union is the right to strike if need be. The teachers have EVERY RIGHT to exercise that. Teachers have much more important jobs than others who are getting paid much more. I am, I admit, biased in this as one of my teachers broke down to me exactly how much a teacher makes. It's not enough, I agree. They deserve more. My boyfriend, doing a job in a factory makes more than them. Anyways, those are just my thoughts and I welcome any more information (reliable, of course) that you might have on either side. P.S I think that some people on here don't realize that YES there is more than one side to every debate and that EVERYONE is permited to their opinion - no matter if you think it wrong or ignorant... bashing them will not bring them 'around' Last edited by Asheai; Oct 20, 05 at 07:15 PM.
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Oct 20, 05
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instead may i hear what are some of the solutions? Perhaps this will take this out of the realm of useless shit slinging ( i admit i am guilty as well)
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Oct 21, 05
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This thread was much better before fable and esoteric jumped in and switched the discussion from debate to condescension.
You can have your opinion, I might not agree with it but I WILL respect it. All I ask is that you don't talk down to me. I hate how some people think their intellect is so much above others when the basis for their pompousness is nothing more than a difference of opinions.
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Oct 21, 05
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k so i hear that the out of town buses are running but the ones d/t arent...does anyone know if the trolly buses are running today????
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Oct 21, 05
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Debate comes with the idea that there is a soultion being worked towards. Anything less is bar time conversations or coffee house rhetoric. Im not about playing "fair" with in a political landscape, that is anything but. I am here to do whatever i can to help the side that i belive is right WIN, pure and simple. Anything less, would be akin to asking to pass a salad fork at a pie contest. Ill either do what i can to do help people think more critically of the situation, and give me a an alternate solution, on this board and on the street, im not in this fight to get a date. Spout anyother useless bullshit you want, that may detract from the core of the issue, im to support, if the strike even happens..... think socially, act politically action+mobilization shakeel lochan im not about creating conflict or worse yet, violence in any way shape or form, im about trying to create community, and help assemble and mobilize, Anyone who tries to stop me from doing this, would be considered an enemy, any which way you look at it.
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Oct 21, 05
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I hate to tell you friend but long winded speeches on a raver message board aren't going to WIN you anything. The powers that be don't keep a real close eye on the raver community when it comes to solving union disputes and other various issues.
If you want to make these fantastic changes you need to focus less on "3) attack" and more on turning off your PC and getting out there. If you're expecting the people here to listen to you and hopefully rally to your cause then you should treat them with a modicum of respect as opposed to treating them with an air of superiority. As the cliché says... you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. :) Good luck on fighting the good fight friend. :) Last edited by Cdn_Brdr; Oct 21, 05 at 01:43 PM.
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Oct 21, 05
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fable, you seriously come off as some preachy sociopolitical activist who accidentally stumbled upon a raver board and now is trying to get everyone off the computer and out into the world.
no, i'm not saying that everyone on this board is stupid. nor am i saying that no one on this board is sociopoltically minded (there are many actually) i am saying, however, that this is a RAVER board. most people come here to talk to their raver friends about raver parties and raver music; share songs, stories, party info, etc... you have to keep all this in mind when you go on your multi-page tirades and end all your posts in either 'think socially, act politically' or 'peace+respect' (which, with the way you talk to people sometime, you really don't seem to follow too closely). you come off as a condescending asshole because you write as if everyone here is retarded and needs to be educated by yourself. how do you know that 99% of the people on this board aren't alllllready thinking socially and acting politically? it's the interweb, you can't talk to people like you know what they're doing outside of the screen.
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Oct 21, 05
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I hate to go off the topic of bitching at each other about bullshit, and back onto the topic of the transit strike, but I just got this pop-up while going onto translink's website:
Customer Advisory - Service Disruptions on Friday October 21st Burnaby RCMP have removed the pickets at the Burnaby Transit Centre and all buses are now leaving for their routes. There will continue to be service delays on the #99 B-Line to UBC and the #135 & #145 to SFU until schedules return to normal. Extra service operating from Richmond and Vancouver are being diverted to Broadway to alleviate waiting times along the #99 B-Line route. All other TransLink services continue to operate normally, including SkyTrain; SeaBus; West Coast Express; Albion Ferry; the West Vancouver Blue Bus; AirCare. Updates will be available as soon as they are received on this site. Thank you for your patience. So does this affect me getting downtown tonight, getting drunk and getting home afterwards? If so, one of you better be my chaufeur tonight, because you don't want to see me sober on a night that I was planning on getting loaded. I get cranky when I'm beerless!!
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Oct 21, 05
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Oct 21, 05
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no doubt..thanks for the update guys as im at work and the car pool that went out of there way to drive me here arent driving me home...:) see you all tonight at the met
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Oct 21, 05
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to some it up: (especially sidekick+cndn border) -if being preachy means countering people on their assumptions that unions are useless and or the government is right, then I’m a preachyX10 -long winded? comparatively, my posts are as long as the next persons -censorship, because telling me this is a rave forum and not conducive to other subjects (even though every subject under the sun is discussed here) is just that, censorship -I do not believe that we will solve problems here, I never stated that, but wherever there is a large group of people in discussion, that is a good place to get the word out -if attacking people means that I am calling out people who disagree with the current and slowly dying strike action, then I’m so be it. I didn’t start this post, but I will have my say. this current struggle will not be honey coated, we can debate, as long as we are both looking towards changing the current balance of power, if not, then like I said before, whether its on the board or on the streets, well be seeing eachother from different sides, and I will do everything to help the movement win, and your anti-movement bids FAIL. If you are doing the work, then so be it, but if its on the wrong side, then there will still be a debate. And atlas 35% of threads on this site, and others like it, have nothing to do with parties, cultural events, music, or even the artists themselves. IM here because I grew up in this scene, and are still part of the DNB community in Vancouver. Social movement go hand in hand with cultural entities, and thus I am here. As for peace+respect... I have none for those who try to thwart the struggle against oppression. If you have the right to undermine the struggle I have the right to call you out. Its not preaching, if it was, that would mean you understand, but from the mount of posts that are either related to "the union did nothing for me" "the teachers strike is bullshit" "teachers make too much money" I can see that NOT everyone understands, and I will go through my process like I mentioned before, if you have problem with this than either fight or fuck off, its about solutions, not sitting around jerking off. If people understood then I wouldn’t be writing as much as I do. People who undermine the struggle are not deserving of ANY peace and respect, thus I will give none to those people. If I did something that was against the FNK code of conduct, then share it with me, or ban me. But I have done neither, so it will be a hypocritical and censoring action, of which case, we open up another can of worms. I AM on the streets, and on the internet, and on the radio, and on TV, and in literature and in the classrooms, so need to suggest the obvious, but even now, these efforts are not enough. If you understood the desperation of the struggle, you would have never called me out in the first place, but now I know where most people stand, and that is what I wanted to know in the first place, before taking the next series of steps. If your in the fight, then my words were never intended for you in the first place. If you arent, and do not support, then it will never be honey for you, action+mobilization shakeel lochan Quote:
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