"White Trash"

[decypher]

Well i'm glad Alex has embraced the full realization of today's idea of a liberal democratic society. We are free to consume and capitalize for our own egoist intentions. One of the founding problems in society today.

And as for Alex's idea on benefits for Natives. Those are in place to encourage many natives who are generally underpriviledged to get out there and goto college. This lady i'm close with, took two native children in who were born under harsh circumstances and has raised them for the last 7 years and still going. She may even take in one of their baby sisters. Now that is something i respect. Alex needs to take a better look outside his bubble. It's not what we SHOULD have done, it's what we are doing. This is the situation we have and these measures are in place to help it. You honestly believe that by taking away these priviledges that our society would be better off?

[fable]

brown bear won't talk to black bear because black bear isn't brown.
racism is such a human thing.

hahahahaahaha, thats awesome mate!

[nabs]

why is this thread still alive?

[Alex]

Antenna Boy-I am a Bussiness Manager, or a Sub Contractor for a large Sales Corporation.

decypher-I think that every Canadian should recieve benefits of free education, permitting they have the grades to attend. I do not believe that only one group of people determined by the colour of your skin should be the only group to recieve this. That IS RACIST, no if's and's or but's. The reason Natives are underpriveledged, is because of the way they are pampered. Just like the millionaire's son or daughter who gets everything they wish for, and never amounts to anything, the Native population's potential is being squandered by the way they are being dealt with. To answer your question, yes, I do believe it would be a positive benefit taking everythign away from them,maybe not immediately, but for generations down the road. Oh btw, the lady you know is doing something very admirable, and it would have been JUST AS admirable if she had done it with two white children, or two black children, etc etc, however in the long run she is only helping those two children, and doing nothing for the greater good.

fable- It is human nature to look after one's self first. For you to sit here and honestly say their are things you feel so strongly about, that don't directly affect you, that you hold higher than your own personal needs, tells me you have alot of guilt you need to deal with.

In the bible theri was a quote that went somehting along the lines of 'The lady who contributes a dollar of her money, giving all she has to her name, is much more giving than the rich man who donates 1000dollars, when he has millions'

obviously that isn't the exact wording, or anywhere near... I havn't read the bible in years, but the concept is their. I agree that the poor woman donating everything she can is much more generous than the rich man, however the rich man is helping alot more in actual contributions. Take Bill Gates for example, he's donated hundred's of million's of dollars, maybe into the billions by now to various charities, but it is only a drop in the bucket for him. His first priority is himself, and after he assured his own well being, he donated largely, helping more than countless others combined that may be pourign their life savings into a cause(I could be naive here, Bill gates may only donate for tax purposes, I'm being optimistic here!). You need to realize in order to EFFECTIVELY assist others with their problems, you must first DEAL WITH YOUR OWN. Help yourself FIRST, and once you have helped yourself, you will be completely free and CAPABLE to help MANY OTHERS witht heir problems. That is what I'm talking about, I make sure my OWN well being is taken care of, and then help EVERYONE around me with the issues and problems they have, with a clear mind, not focused on my own issues, and ready to use my resources to assist them. Human nature works this way, we are pre-occupied with our own self being first. It would probably be a better world if everyone was jsut focused on helpign everyone else out, but the world is NOT like this. The sooner you admit this, the better you will feel, the more successful you will be, and also, the more effectively you will be able to work for your causes.

Please do not jump to conclusions. Just because I admit to looking out for myself FIRST, does not by any stretch of the imagination mean I look out for myself and only myself. I believe myself to be a very fair, and generous man, and if I didn't focus on personal success and riches, I could still be generous, however the fields I could employ my generosity on would be severely reduced.

[esoter1c]

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[fable]

fable- It is human nature to look after one's self first. For you to sit here and honestly say their are things you feel so strongly about, that don't directly affect you, that you hold higher than your own personal needs, tells me you have alot of guilt you need to deal with.

I will never deny the fact that i have mountains of guilt to walk on a daily basis. But if the product of facing that guilt, is helping others struggles for diginity and the very basic of humanistic demands, then who gives a fuck!?

Of course it could just be an inflated sence of empathy?

Or it could just be me, being completely disallusional? Who the fuck knows, perhaps when i get to hell, ill find out.

leave the bible quotations alone mate, your own words make me cringe enough.

[Alex]

fable-my advice to you is to learn that guilt is a wasted emotion. It will disable you if you let your life be burdened with it. I'm not saying there arn't things that you should feel guilt for, but just remember this

If you know you should do something, and you don't, don't feel guilty for not doing it.

If you're going to be guilty for something before you do it, dont feel guilty after you've done it.

This is called maturity.

Whatever demons you have are in your past. Don't let them eat you up, because, no matter how many people you help, the pain of whatever you have done will always eat you up; you will, in effect, end up being the empty one.

fighting for anything and everything is noble in a way, yet completely inefficient. Deal with your own needs, and then focus on only the causes you can truly devote yourself to. Myself, I devote myself to helping those I care about, those I feel deserve help. I have a theory, if someone gives me 100% effort, and proves to me they are working hard for their goals, I will return 200% assistance.

If you ever want to call to talk, I'm used to it. I've had 50+ employees over the years that treat me as their councillor, as well as dozens of friends and family members.

Alex
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[fable]

The reason Natives are underpriveledged, is because of the way they are pampered.

if you trully believe this, then ill see in you hell.

[PaIniNyErAnUs]

Originally Posted by fable

if you trully believe this, then ill see in you hell.

u speak of hell alot...been a bad boy?

[PaIniNyErAnUs]

Originally Posted by Alex

Alex
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hey buddeh, ill call you..we'll go chill drink some whisky..eat some smoked salmon

edit: fawk..throw some anal in there its a date!

[Alex]

you know what fable, I do believe that, and the sooner they stop making excuses as a collective group, adn stop bitching and complaining, they will be alot better for it.Sometimes the only way to help, either an indiviudal or a group, is to cut them off and see if they sink or swim.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by PaIniNyErAnUs

hey buddeh, ill call you..we'll go chill drink some whisky..eat some smoked salmon

edit: fawk..throw some anal in there its a date!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Antenna_Boy]

Originally Posted by fullblast

it's pretty low to hold the color of a persons skin against them, when they had no decision in that regard. then again, for someone to take offence for their skin color that they weren't responsible for is unnecessary, why should we all be sorry we're different colors?
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I am going to agree with you on this point, but I am also going to disagree at the same time. In general, it is not YOUR fault your skin colour is the way it is. What we have here on our hands is HOW we are brought up! Basically our actions and beliefs are taught to us by our parents. People use their colour of skin as an EXCUSE for learnt beliefs. Think about it....we are all the same colour, but in a different form of shade. It is the actions that we invoke into society that makes us what we are, and if you happen to fall into an argument with a different form of a "shadey" person if you will, then what happens? Racism? I think so. If the human race all had the same shares of ideas of how to build a better society, and therefore, the future, we would have the extraneous ideaologies of racism vanquish from our stupid heads.

[fable]

the oppression of indegenous peoples throughout the history of Canada from its birth to today, has been a consistant act of which only its exposure has fluctuated. In the far past it was outright genocide. Further along it was displacement and assimilation. Sporadically it was through the conscious transferall of small pox. Later on it was residential schools. Around the same time there was forced sterilizations for Indegenous inmates(please note that this was only 60 or so years ago. Indegenous people could not vote until the late sixties.

Further on we have such policies as the Indian Act, and the white papers. We have the bc liberal referendum on indegenous treaties, that had been labelled "amateurish" and "vague'

Angus Reid, the famous pollster, denounced the amateurism of the design of the questions, which guaranteed ambiguity. He describes it as "a cynical, manipulative process to produce a specific result."

What about all the individual cases of police brutality. From east to west nor th to south. The "freezing deaths" in the prairies, the "starlight tours" in the west coast, the "unexplained deaths" back east where police authroities refuse inquiries almost 100% of time.

What about the standoffs like Gustafsen Lake, and Burnt Church. What about Oka and the FLQ incident!?

What about today, and reports of chemical warfare? What about active racism in todays policies and law enforcement.

You can deny the past, nor the impact on the present and the possibilty of more oppression in the future. You cannot improve the situation without destroying the structure which carries it out.

"He who allows oppression shares in the crime."

perhaps its time to stop "councelling" and start "learning"

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by Alex

you know what fable, I do believe that, and the sooner they stop making excuses as a collective group, adn stop bitching and complaining, they will be alot better for it.Sometimes the only way to help, either an indiviudal or a group, is to cut them off and see if they sink or swim.

You are a fucking loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooser.

How about I come over to your house shitkcik your family shoot your dad in the face, rape you rmother/sisters and you then take everything you have and say you can live in the doghouse in the backyard ?

You'd take that pretty easy right ?

Cause you don't whine and complain right ?

You're a fuckin idiot.

Just stfu you piece of waste.

[fable]

Originally Posted by nabs

why is this thread still alive?

because heads wanna discuss important and relevent stuff going on in the world

[Antenna_Boy]

Originally Posted by fable
if you trully believe this, then ill see in you hell

Originally Posted by PaIniNyErAnUs

u speak of hell alot...been a bad boy?

no, he just took too much drugs and became an obsessively schizophrenic insomniac with major anxiety disorders, and mood swings...I think that is what hell is like?

DON'T DO DRUGS!!!

[Antenna_Boy]

Originally Posted by fable

because heads wanna discuss important and relevent stuff going on in the world

I think time is better spent learning how to make money than bullshitting in this thread...with the amount of essays you wrote in here...you could have provided the paper work for at least 3 real estate deals. =)

[PaIniNyErAnUs]

Originally Posted by Antenna_Boy

no, he just took too much drugs and became an obsessively schizophrenic insomniac with major anxiety disorders, and mood swings...I think that is what hell is like?



DON'T DO DRUGS!!!

LOL!!!
it happens to the best of us, some just know how to get over it and move on

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by Antenna_Boy

I think time is better spent learning how to make money than bullshitting in this thread...with the amount of essays you wrote in here...you could have provided the paper work for at least 3 real estate deals. =)

Money is better than Knowledge ?

You a Scorpio ?

Wow this stread is still going on, its dragging now, getting boring and yet it serves no purpose. Racism still exists and will forever, sorry to point that out, but we all know that's the truth. Just learn to accept it, I got friend's from all over the globe, I work with people from all over the globe and we get along so well.

Don't try to stop racism, stop yourself and the people around you from being racist.

Also the best post on here is Alex's, props! I totally agree with you.

Originally Posted by 3507321C

You are a fucking loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooser.

How about I come over to your house shitkcik your family shoot your dad in the face, rape you rmother/sisters and you then take everything you have and say you can live in the doghouse in the backyard ?

You'd take that pretty easy right ?

Cause you don't whine and complain right ?

You're a fuckin idiot.

Just stfu you piece of waste.

Whoa :P come chill out n' smoke a joint. Those are some harsh internet words no offense. Threatening on the internet is for geeks who are scared of their own shadow, come on I know you're better than that. Drama is a waste of time, just like racism. Everybody needs to PLUR!

I hate racism more than anything, I do my part to stopping it by not being racist and stopping the ones around me from being racist, its kinda working. Now if everybody tried that, racism might become a thing of the past.

[fable]

Originally Posted by Antenna_Boy

I think time is better spent learning how to make money than bullshitting in this thread...with the amount of essays you wrote in here...you could have provided the paper work for at least 3 real estate deals. =)

you think the content of my prose is bullshit? You think getting people into dialogue (no matter the place or time) is bullshit. I thought this would be a good place to talk about thoughts, ideas, and just about anything related to identifying problems in our society, and perhaps developing an action plan towards solving situations. Sometimes its lights, sometimes its not, but regardless considering the number of people putting in their feelings, id say these kinda threads are anything but bullshit. But who knows, perhaps these kinda of threads are uneccesary in the face of really engaging, provacative prose about melons in your ass, or smoked salmon and whiskey?

As much as i dont appreciate contemporary academic circle jerks, i think any policy worth carrying out, and any endevour that seems to me, of the utter most importance, takes some field studies, enteracting (via the net AND in the outside world) and just inforiming headz, and being informed in the process. Dont make assumptions on what i do away from this computer, and dont make assumptions about why i choose to bring up and debate on these subjects.

Theres about a thousand other threads on this board revolving around everything and anything, why dont yeah run along and bite someone elses ankles for awhile. Might i suggest enteracting with such geniuses and social dynamoes as paininyeranus? Shes gods gift to our provinces mental health/disability program as she will be keeping them in business well into her later years, and reportedly she makes a sweet canned spam and macoroni dinner, washed back with a sixer of lucky lager. Its all class with that girl, im sure you two will make a match made in hell. :)

Fuck ya, and thanks for coming out

[fable]

Originally Posted by fnker

Whoa :P come chill out n' smoke a joint. Those are some harsh internet words no offense. Threatening on the internet is for geeks who are scared of their own shadow, come on I know you're better than that. Drama is a waste of time, just like racism. Everybody needs to PLUR!

I hate racism more than anything, I do my part to stopping it by not being racist and stopping the ones around me from being racist, its kinda working. Now if everybody tried that, racism might become a thing of the past.

just great bro, you are herby dubbed thee referee of all that is decent and allowable on this board. Its a heated debate, because its a heated subject. No one gets hurt, but everyone gets to vent. Sounds like a perfect way to hash things out. As for being violent? 35u3495-65..... was being sarcastic, scathingly sarcastic, and it flew right the fuck over your head. "Drama" tends to be in the eye of the beholder, so what may be dramatic for you, will not be dramatic for others.

All the cats involved have long given up breastfeeding and needing a hand to go potty, so go coddle someone else, or make a point, otherwise fuck off.

Aight now everybody check this out.