Skytrain Police

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by gusto

why would we look solely at murder rate anyway? anyway, the only point i was making is that england isn't as well off as she was making it out to be. robberies, muggings, etc are really common there.

cuz murder is the 'ultimate' crime, and like i said the definition of crime varies..

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_tot_cri_cap

[Gusto]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

cuz murder is the 'ultimate' crime, and like i said the definition of crime varies..

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_tot_cri_cap

yeah, for sure, but murder isn't the only crime we're worried about. it's also not the kind of crime they're trying to stop at the skytrain stations.

[fable]

First, I call bullshit... I've seen skytrain officers of other ethnicities before. Secondly, I don't see what validity it has to the debate in the first place.

I don't get why you must play the race card in every debate you have. For a guy who preaches all about acceptance you sure seem to have it out for the white folk. As I've said before... we're not all as bad as you seem to think

Do you purposely try to sound stupid? Or was it a trait passed down from generation to generation through rapant inter family relations?

How does pointing out a apparent racial desparity in a "fair + just" LAW ENFORCEMENT CONTINGENT count as racism or even a slight on someone? I think the fact that your would imply this means either a) your lying about understanding race issues in todays world, or b) you are so attached to your own race, then any legitimate observation must be put down both of which could result in someone believing that YOU in fact have some ibred prejudices, that you neither change, accept or even face.

Now of course, im not 100% of how many people of various ethnic backgrounds in the NEW force, about out of seventy im willing to bet the percentage is less than 25%, whch is in no way representational of what a ethnic demographical study of the entire population of vancouver, bc, and the entire country would clearly show. So what does this mean?

*please note im going to mention to you once again, im not out to "tarnish" any one race, but if you have an inability to come to terms with your own races(any race) part to play in history and today, then bet your ass, ill fucking check your comments every single fucking time. I personally believe you do. SO chirp up bro.

[Haze]

I think that it is somehwhat neccessary, cuz if you are dealing with someone that had one, I would want one too...

- ë

[esoter1c]

Crime rates down in Sky Train towns
Vancouver Sun, March 16

Crime rates have plunged in suburban communities that have SkyTrain, even though the mayors of those communities insist that rapid transit brings trouble. A comparison of crime rates before and after the arrival of SkyTrain found that over-all crime in 2004 was significantly lower along the line. SFU criminologist Neil Boyd is not surprised by the crime statistics. He says SkyTrain stations provide a venue for drug dealers, but "if it wasn't SkyTrain, it would be somewhere else." He adds: "They [politicians] quite rightly see that young people are congregating there and selling drugs. But they assume that if you get rid of SkyTrain, you get rid of the drug dealers."



RCMP meeting minutes...

Board Member Kennedy queried whether crime stats had been kept since the new Millennium Skytrain Line came on and comparison to previous stats. Cst. Johnson noted that the criminal element moves more on the old line then the new line. Ms. Wright mentioned that there was more preparation for new line and the NSO was involved in safety promotions on site and Skytrain Police present. Mayor Campbell thanked the presenters for the opportunity to be meet in their community.


http://www.apta.com/services/intnatl.../skytrain2.cfm

"For the Millennium Line's stations, we decided to take a different approach than that used for the Expo Line," Stewart said. "We assembled some of British Columbia's top architects, outlined what we needed in our stations, then asked them to listen to our customers and use their imaginations."

The result was a group of stations radically different from the ones built for the Expo Line.

For example, because customers said they were concerned about personal safety and security while using the system, the stations were designed to incorporate "Crime Prevention Through Environmental Design," a series of proven principles that minimize the opportunity for crime by increasing the risk of being caught or by making crime more difficult to commit.

As a result, each of the stations will be brightly lighted and feature the extensive use of glass, allowing people to see in and out. The designs eliminate dark corners where people can hide. Most of the stations will be built to include retail outlets and customer service centers, giving the stations a lived-in, cared-for feeling at all times.





http://www.discovervancouver.com/for...21&whichpage=2

[Cdn_Brdr]

Originally Posted by fable

Do you purposely try to sound stupid? Or was it a trait passed down from generation to generation through rapant inter family relations?

There you go... off into your usual name calling that pretty much makes me not want to bother with you.

What the hell does it matter if an officer is white, black, green, yellow... why does it have to be balanced according to our ethnic population? The best man for the job is the best man for the job. If that happens to be an East Indian so be it, good for him. Or are you trying to insinuate that even IF all the officers were caucasian that they all would automatically treat every other race with disrespect?

[Goodfellow]

I don't see the big deal.

Put yourself in the skytrain police's shoes .. you are policing a lot of lower class people and liquid courage drunks that run their mouthes (possibly carryin guns) .. do you think you'd feel confident dealing with those crazy idiots without a gun? no. I'd want one.

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by GoodFlow

I don't see the big deal.

Put yourself in the skytrain police's shoes .. you are policing a lot of lower class people and liquid courage drunks that run their mouthes (possibly carryin guns) .. do you think you'd feel confident dealing with those crazy idiots without a gun? no. I'd want one.

If I was a Pig, I'd want a Tazer over a Disease Blood splatterer.

[Goodfellow]

Originally Posted by 3507321C

If I was a Pig, I'd want a Tazer over a Disease Blood splatterer.

Look Tim! it's a lower class black man, he's comin right for us!!

**tttttzzzzzz**

[Vitamin-X]

Wow, not a day goes by and Fable's already turned this into a race issue.
What a surprise!

For god's sake Fable if you're so sick of Evil white people Lording over you maybe you should hop on the next barge out of here.
That would sure show us!

Originally Posted by GoodFlow

I don't see the big deal.

Put yourself in the skytrain police's shoes .. you are policing a lot of lower class people and liquid courage drunks that run their mouthes (possibly carryin guns) .. do you think you'd feel confident dealing with those crazy idiots without a gun? no. I'd want one.

What do you care, you wouldn't take the train. You like to drive drunk. They wouldn't have to worry about your liquid couraged ass trying to lip them off.

[Goodfellow]

I don't drive drunk. I got 1 DUI and learned my lesson.

On that note though.. how can Vancouver expect to combat drunk driving, if the fucking transit system closes down at 1 am? and the smaller busses that run in certain areas of the city close at 10pm-12am.. give me a fuckin break!! All buses should run till 3-4am.. just make them go once every hour after 1 maybe. It's like they want people to drink and drive.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by 3507321C

Crime rates down in Sky Train towns
Vancouver Sun, March 16

Current information, pls? That doesn't take into account the surrey skytrain shootings that happened over the summer.

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Current information, pls? That doesn't take into account the surrey skytrain shootings that happened over the summer.

Ahem....stabbings.

[C_squared]

I was on the skytrain home today and spoke to one of the constables.. I asked him if he was properly trained to use a fire arm... he said yes... then I asked him what was the "shoot to kill" policy... he didn't know.

I think we're all in for some shit. lolz

- dont be scared.. there is no "shoot to kill" policy.

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by C_squared

I was on the skytrain home today and spoke to one of the constables.. I asked him if he was properly trained to use a fire arm... he said yes... then I asked him what was the "shoot to kill" policy... he didn't know.

I think we're all in for some shit. lolz

- dont be scared.. there is no "shoot to kill" policy.

Unless you forgot to pay that 2.25 !
Then you gettin' capped biotch !

[C_squared]

Originally Posted by 3507321C

Unless you forgot to pay that 2.25 !
Then you gettin' capped biotch !

Skytrain ticket or STFU!

[fable]

Originally Posted by Cdn_Brdr

There you go... off into your usual name calling that pretty much makes me not want to bother with you.

What the hell does it matter if an officer is white, black, green, yellow... why does it have to be balanced according to our ethnic population? The best man for the job is the best man for the job. If that happens to be an East Indian so be it, good for him. Or are you trying to insinuate that even IF all the officers were caucasian that they all would automatically treat every other race with disrespect?

Becuase although you may or maynot be a racist, there are others who are, so relaistically we have a population that doesnt care, or we have parts of poplation where people in authortative may carry out abuses of power. Se where is the fucking balance!? You obviouslly dont give a shit, so where are the systems in place that make sure people are being treated in a respectable and dignified manner? Or are you going to tell me thats what the law, charter of rights and freedoms and police are for? We are talking about the POLICE.

[fable]

Wow, not a day goes by and Fable's already turned this into a race issue.
What a surprise!

For god's sake Fable if you're so sick of Evil white people Lording over you maybe you should hop on the next barge out of here.
That would sure show us!

Its sad to see someone so oblivious to his/her own history AND current events that they would be able to make take comments someone makes stimulate conversation, and might even lead people to take ownership for their won idividual biases, and turn them into the preceeding quote.

Why do assume the things you do? Is it an illigitimate idea to have more of any ethnic base in police forces that deal with communities that put "wite" people as one of the smaller sized groups in this day and age?

Is it so hard to belive that the lack of representation of ethnic groups in law enforcement might have to do with prejudice and less with the innate ability of whote people to carry out law enforcement better?

Isnt kinda of wierd and ironic, that the people who are making the most fuss, about me calling into question the legitimacy of specific instituitions due the fact of a lack of such representation and historical racism WHITE?

[fable]

The best man for the job is the best man for the job. If that happens to be an East Indian so be it, good for him. Or are you trying to insinuate that even IF all the officers were caucasian that they all would automatically treat every other race with disrespect?

The chances are higher, and statistics and precedent prove this, so YES.

What your telling me is that the reason why there is a disprportianate number of white officers, is that they historically and currently the best people for the job? Are you going to tell me next, that the disporportiante number of women represents the reality that on average they cannot do the job better than a caucasian male?

DO you thing these assumptions are real, in lieu of our current demographic, or percentages of ethnic background.

Ive been questioned( and i have answered!) on my own biases, what about you, how do you thing being white, effected your life, and the inherant reality that more doors are automatically open for you?

And lastly (again) How would searching for these answers make me racist, or at the very least how do these questions insinuate that i have beef with "white people"

Dont take too long, the worlds wiaitng for you answeres.

[Undecided]

i think if they r gonna be armed like real police they should act like real police and clean up the area's around some of the skytrain stations like joyce or surrey central those places r sometimes scary at nite and they need to do something about that not just hassling people who accedently paid the wrong fair or couldn't afford the rite one and giving them $175 tickets they need to be a real police force not just call themselves one if things go wrong people will freak on the GVTA, translink, and whoever else they have too to get things rite, but if things go well this could be the first step toward a single police force for the GVRD which could be a good thing bigger budget more officers and more forcus and co-operation were it is needed

[ja_raul]

Originally Posted by GoodFlow

I don't drive drunk. I got 1 DUI and learned my lesson.

On that note though.. how can Vancouver expect to combat drunk driving, if the fucking transit system closes down at 1 am? and the smaller busses that run in certain areas of the city close at 10pm-12am.. give me a fuckin break!! All buses should run till 3-4am.. just make them go once every hour after 1 maybe. It's like they want people to drink and drive.

thats a whole 'nother thread, but yea i agree 1am is bullshit.

i'd like to quickly find out who actually feels safe right now riding in our skytrains compared to lets say... 5 years ago, yes, surrey central, main and new west station included

[zarlon]

^ i think the older i get & more valuable possessions i own, the less safe i feel in those areas.....

[thebobman]

Ladies and Gentlemen:

While we're all debating this issue, we're missing the reason why the GVRD would put a visibly armed Police force on the Sky-Trains. The reason why they're doing this is not to try and reduce Sky-Train crime, vandalism or theft (although I'm sure they're pleased with those side-effects). No the primary reason why they're arming Sky-Train cops is that it makes the Sky-Train system seem gloriously secure, safe & cozy. They want the Sky-Train to appear just as convenient and appealing as driving your car to downtown to increase rider-ship amongst 30-45 year old professionals that work downtown.

Vancouver is a rush-hour nightmare (I'm sure everybody's experienced the 4:30pm Highway #1 Parking Lot). The City doesn't want to have to waste urban space to develop more parking systems downtown and because of this the city won't enhance the roads in and out of the downtown core, at least not for automotive traffic. They WILL however, spend gobs of money on things like a Richmond to Vancouver RAV route and expanded Sky-Train service (Millennium line).

The only way to make these expenditures justifiable, profitable & beneficial to the City is to try and lure people who currently commute via car to work downtown to switch over to the Sky-Train system. The City feels that to make the Sky-Train system more appealing to these people it needs to appear much more secure than it currently does and I'd wager that this move will do just that.

I personally used to hate riding the Sky Train on the Expo line, especially east of Metrotown Station. The Sky-Train system had become little more than a cheap and easy way for Drug Addicts to get downtown to pick up their fix. In this fashion it funneled the crime from east Hastings back up through New West and out to Surrey. Evidence of this is in Whalley, Columbia & New West Station, Edmonds and even Metrotown to some extent. I think that without the Sky-Train police presence the same results would have been seen along the Millennium line.

Eitherway, be realistic: Canada is certainly not the home of the Police-State, certainly not Western Canada (Back East tends to follow the American Example a bit). Armed Police Officers on the Sky-Train will benefit legitimate commuters and reduce Sky-Train crime.

[Cdn_Brdr]

Wow.... I'm truly sorry you have such a sad outlook on our society Shak. From what I can gather you may not be 'racist' per se but you really do beleive that whitey is out to get you and other ethnic minorities in this country. You clearly stated that yes you do think that white officers will mistreat other ethnicities.

If that is the case, I'm really sorry. I mean if it was myself in a position of authority such as that I wouldn't be able to do that. Maybe that has something to do with me growing up in a multicultural society. More tolerant than people of older generations? I don't know. I just don't honestly think that it's as bad as you portray.

You ask me how I think being caucasian affected my life and if I think that doors automatically opened for me because of that? I ask you in turn....SO WHAT!? Am I supposed to feel bad or apologize that I was born a white male? That makes no sense! I realize that it can be harder for people of other backgrounds to get the same opportunities, I'm not an idiot, but if you think for a second I'm going to turn around and apologize to you for who I am you have another thing coming. I'm proud of who I am, I've worked hard as hell to get where I am in life whether you think it was handed to me or not. How dare you get in my fucking face about having everything in life fed to me with a silver fucking spoon. You need to take a second look yourself before you start undermining what every single white person has done to get where they are. I'm sure you've worked hard to get where you are right? I wouldn't say otherwise... I find there's a respect line there that maybe shouldn't be crossed. Although you've demonstrated time and again that you have no problem trampling someone else in order to get your point across for the umpteenth time.

I've been completely civil with you and I'd appreciate it if you left the mud slinging for another thread, especially in regards to me. I grow tired of your useless name calling and idle threats.