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Jan 16, 06
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The state of nightclubs in 2006.
It's something worth debating about..
Why is it that an electronic night can not survive on a weekend day? Blue saturdays looked like it was doing well, until the club wanted the team to change the genres of music being played (to top40, obviously).. I am proud of Winston for declining that. But why did it come to this? They play house on the beat now right? even have a show, from the UK, dedicated to house music right? Saturday night, we were all stoked to go to blue.. blue was closed, myjungle wasn't an option unfortunatly, so my girlfriend and I got on the computer to see what was happening.. and we found NOTHING but top40/hiphop clubs.. Nothing else but crap "Fuck me saturdays @ shitty club, playing nothing but 50 cent for 5 hours straight!" Why is this city so comsumed in this crap, listen to it all day on the radio, tv, and then want to go to a club and listen to it for hours!! I've pretty sure anyone who travels abroad knows how easy it is to find diversity in music in clubs everywhere.. why is vancouver so sheep like and lame? Clubs need to be more diverse on weekends. I'm sure there's a LOT of people in this city who can't stand top40 (including most of us on this board). Isn't this a rock n roll city? What happened to straigt up rock nights? Okay so fine, hiphop clubs make the most money.. I know this, but that doesn't mean everything else will not! Promoters can make money from club nights other than hiphop. Sure, put a hiphop night on during the week, or even ONE weekend day, but leave some room for some more diverse music!! So what's everyone's take on this? What can we as a community do to change this problem.. because in my eyes, it is a big problem... Promoters, i'd like your view on this too! PS: Found a cool spot eventually (Bayside lounge, dave @ denman) - downtempo/funk, but it literally took us TWO HOURS of sifting through the trashy clubnights to find it. Last edited by firestar; Jan 16, 06 at 10:47 AM. 
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Jan 16, 06
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I definitely agree with you. Personally, I enjoy a range of music especially when it comes to dancing - "rave", hiphop, top 40 (sometimes), rock n' roll... anything! I believe the only reason why hiphop and top 40 are so popular cuz it's the easiest music to dance real slutty too... which is what the bar is all about, right? lol, jk. anyways, I would love to see more types of music out there! :D
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the met/tribeca (don't know if these count) the red room (the drink) barnone ginger62 celebs(borderline) lotus tokyo lounge Theres some smaller places in gastown.... There's a pub/club that plays tech house with some solid names, its right beside sonar Last edited by cheeseburger; Jan 16, 06 at 01:29 PM.
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honey - 60's, 70's, indie met - dnb saturday red room - house marble arch - indie, 80's, mashup shine - heard good things, never been
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fridays
progressive house at the lotus drum and bass at the met electro-y crap at shine saturdays progressive house at the red room deep house at the lotus funkyish house at ginger 62 ditto at panama jacks funk/oldschool/rock/hip-hop/whatever at shine.
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Jan 16, 06
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top40 is where the money is. We're not in europe where electronic music is still huge among the populace. Kudos to the clubs that still cater to different genres, but here in north america, top40 and mainstream hiphop is what rakes in the big bucks for clubs. Most venues would rather rake in a guarenteed take of $10,000+ at the bar than take a risk with a genre that won't bring in as many people.
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Jan 16, 06
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Yeah why is this a suprise, its Vancouver, this cities nightclubs are all about the top 40. That's what brings in the dollah dollah bills. Its all about the money.
There are still clubs that play other genres like; Lotus, Red Room, Tokyo Lounge, Shine, The Met. Its not like there aren't any around, you just got to search harder. Let me guess you went to www.clubzone.com or www.clubvibes.com to search for these clubs. You won't find anything there. I'm not a big fan of top 40, but I got no issues with Rap and Hip Hop. I don't mind listening to Eminem.
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Jan 17, 06
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in Montreal & Toronto..
their main radio stations play dance, house and that type of stuff on a regular basis.. not jus for 2 hours on saturday nights... and it's the good stuff.. not the same old 2 songs that they play on the beat on a regular basis.. so it makes people like it more.. and considering the huge amount of people that like trance, house & dance out there...they make loads of money at electronic clubs. u gotta start at the radio stations.
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Jan 17, 06
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Well in todays world... everything is run by the dollar and most promoters/club owners want money.. not a name, like it used to be about the vibe and reputation... but with all this brainwashing via. tv (eg. glorifying the wealthy) the new generation of promoters is about money and greed due to that influece. What brings the most $$$? Simple, Top40 and Hip-Hop. Why? Good you ask... simply look at MTV and the Radio as prime examples. This trend also is growing with raves too...its grown to be more about the money and not about the scene... there are 2 new (never used) venues that are ready to be put forth... but no one has the balls to throw a party in there... and start a revolution for the scene, a good change for once... all because the formula for throwing parties today is proven, and that formula/quality of parties is good enough for the youth, and good enough for the adults making money off the industry.
Going back to the clubs... the Top40/Hip-Hop formula has proven to make money for the clubs cause of all the teens/young adults attending. No matter what night, those Top40/Hop-Hop nights will have people, opposed to other genres... were throwing a club night with European headliners that pull is still a great risk (a risk of loosing money...and no one likes to see their money wasted.)
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Jan 18, 06
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i mean,..
now, whatever is played on the radio.. they play at clubs... seriously, in Toronto.. Z103.5 plays like so much dance, house, trance, euro beats and evey Freestyle (think of Rockell "In a Dream") and ALOT of people i kno are into that stuff... they even have all age club nights becuz SO many teens love that type of music.. like at the docks (club) they play dance/house.. at Guvernment.. they have electronic nights.. and they make SOOOOO much money.. as many people that goto the hip hop/top40 clubs goto the electronic ones.. usually same crowd. same thing with Montreal.. a couple yrs ago when i lived there.. (i moved here july 2001).. the best clubs were DOMINATED by the dance/house and all that stuff.. why?? becuz Mix96 played so much dance and house and even trance and breaks.. MC Mario DJ's on there alot.. and i jus think we need someone like that on the Beat.. or even a seperate radio station.. so many people would tune into that.. and even if u get all age nights.. those help alot with the sales of money.. becuz alot of teenagers like electronica... and are more open to music.
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Jan 18, 06
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The radio controls the trends with music.
For those who know trance well enough.. Armin Van Burren is the one person that can control the music... In 2005 he stated to spin Tech-Trance with his usual Progressive Trance... the end of 05/beggining of 06... EVERYONE IS PLAYING TECHY with PROG TRANCE... WHY?! He owns his own radio show that is well on its 300+ Episode (each episode 2 Hours...) He can tell all trance djs on his show "A State Of Trance" that Euro Trance with Hardcore is the new Pink... Guess what!! In 2 months youll have Producers changing their styles just to cater to what the big man said... BECAUSE THEY HEARD IT FROM THE IDOL ON THE RADIO... most with hopes that Armin will sign their track to his label becuase he is capable of selling endless records due to his already established name. The truth is... the industry is made to SELL... wether its to sell records or sell drinks at a club... and all the mediums such as Radio/TV are used to their full potential to show the kids what the BIG MAN wants you to think is "IN"... MTV sets the mainstream... and guess what... those who grew up with MTV...ONLY KNOW OF MTV... Clubs want people to buy drinks! How will they get people to come buy drinks? GOOD MUSIC and GOOD ENVIROMENT! Whats "GOOD MUSIC"? Mtv says its Top40 and Hip-Hop.... AND DONE... it doesnt get anymore complicated... some clubs will try NEW nights... but to a bussines man though... they will go with the safest way to make money.. and with statistics showing that anything marketed on TV/RADIO to young kids over a period of 10 years is a sure go... they wont dick around and take risks JUST TO SEE if itll make money. Too bad the Vancouver Entertainment Scene is fucked... CORRECTION... NORTH AMERICAN ENTERTAINMENT SCENE!
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Jan 18, 06
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but obviously those clubs dont pop up into most people's heads..
they're not remembered as much as those top40 nights.. sure they're always packed.. same people usually.. but u dont want to be with the SAME people all the time.. u want new people to come out and get hammered... clubs out here suck.. like seriously... i've only been to one.. and from what i hear from people.. especially my bro.. who was a major clubhead.. in Toronto, Montreal here & New York.. i trust his opinion.... and it's so bad here that once he moved here.. he barely ever went out.. compared to in Montreal.. i wouldnt see him for weeks at a time.
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