I am Happy Without TV

[Cdn_Brdr]

Thanks for clearing it up... not like I was being a smart ass or anything

Threads like this are great! Everybody gets all worked up and cusses each other out. I mean really, aren't our lives just so much better off when we turn off the TV and yell at each other via the internet? Society really is taking a turn now with this whole internet thing! WOW... I mean really, THIS IS GREAT!

[esoter1c]

TV was created in a CIA progrom called MKULTRA.

MK standing for mind control.

This is the same progrom that had Albert Hoffman create LSD.

After many experiments, serums, spraying chemicals over NYC.

The final conclusion was that AUDIO/VISUAL stimulus was the key.

When you watch TV it bypasses the consciouss mind and delves straight into

the subconsciouss.

The conscious is what decides what goes into your memory and what

doesn't.

TV bypasses that and takes over your emotions and reasoning.

Have you had your break today, buh buh buhp buhp bah.

Gimme a break gimme a break.............

TV is a mass control system for brainwashing the masses.

But hey I'm just a conspiracy theory wacko so you go right on ahead buying
all of those imporatant household cleaners to cover and saturate yourselves
in chemicals, because as we all know nothing is clean until it's covered in

Lysol/Bleach/Ammonia/Windex/Mr.Clean/Tide/Comet/Palmolive.

All proven to cause cancer and many other problems.

Sleep in Bleach/Tide sheets.

Live in Bleach/Tide clothes.

Eat/Drink Palmolive dishes.

Saturated with chemicals and everyone wonders why we all get cancer.

Thx TV for letting us all believe the truthful word from your sponsors.

END RANT.

B4 you ask yes I AM just as saturated as you.

[sidekick]

^have you maybe though that all those conspiracy theories were created by the CIA to distract you from the real problems happening to real people in the real world?

wake up, my little conspirator sheep.

Originally Posted by 3507321C

TV was created in a CIA progrom called MKULTRA.

MK standing for mind control.

This is the same progrom that had Albert Hoffman create LSD.

After many experiments, serums, spraying chemicals over NYC.

The final conclusion was that AUDIO/VISUAL stimulus was the key.

When you watch TV it bypasses the consciouss mind and delves straight into

the subconsciouss.

The conscious is what decides what goes into your memory and what

doesn't.

TV bypasses that and takes over your emotions and reasoning.

Have you had your break today, buh buh buhp buhp bah.

Gimme a break gimme a break.............

TV is a mass control system for brainwashing the masses.

But hey I'm just a conspiracy theory wacko so you go right on ahead buying
all of those imporatant household cleaners to cover and saturate yourselves
in chemicals, because as we all know nothing is clean until it's covered in

Lysol/Bleach/Ammonia/Windex/Mr.Clean/Tide/Comet/Palmolive.

All proven to cause cancer and many other problems.

Sleep in Bleach/Tide sheets.

Live in Bleach/Tide clothes.

Eat/Drink Palmolive dishes.

Saturated with chemicals and everyone wonders why we all get cancer.

Thx TV for letting us all believe the truthful word from your sponsors.

END RANT.

B4 you ask yes I AM just as saturated as you.

You call it brainwashing, I call it marketing.....

Grocery stores are set up in such a way that you buy things subconciously. Why are departments geared for women always to the right of the store, cause they instinctively go to the right upon entering the store.....easier to get them there....

And I am aware of the harmful agents in our cleaning products.....which is why I try and use organic and environmentally friendly products at home.

[Asheai]

Originally Posted by 3507321C

TV was created in a CIA progrom called MKULTRA.

MK standing for mind control.

This is the same progrom that had Albert Hoffman create LSD.

After many experiments, serums, spraying chemicals over NYC.

The final conclusion was that AUDIO/VISUAL stimulus was the key.

When you watch TV it bypasses the consciouss mind and delves straight into

the subconsciouss.

The conscious is what decides what goes into your memory and what

doesn't.

TV bypasses that and takes over your emotions and reasoning.

Have you had your break today, buh buh buhp buhp bah.

Gimme a break gimme a break.............

TV is a mass control system for brainwashing the masses.

But hey I'm just a conspiracy theory wacko so you go right on ahead buying
all of those imporatant household cleaners to cover and saturate yourselves
in chemicals, because as we all know nothing is clean until it's covered in

Lysol/Bleach/Ammonia/Windex/Mr.Clean/Tide/Comet/Palmolive.

All proven to cause cancer and many other problems.

Sleep in Bleach/Tide sheets.

Live in Bleach/Tide clothes.

Eat/Drink Palmolive dishes.

Saturated with chemicals and everyone wonders why we all get cancer.

Thx TV for letting us all believe the truthful word from your sponsors.

END RANT.

B4 you ask/point out, yes I AM just as saturated as you. There is no

escape.:yucky:

so is it considered brainwashing the fact that you just posted that twice???

lol, jk

Originally Posted by Asheai

As for the very rude comment about me and my brother sitting with tin foil hats - you can really go and fuck yourself. (I don't even see why this had to be a personal attack... how do you come up with a baseless comment like that!?) When I say tv is evil, I am talking about the shit that everyone is watching (i.e. that paris hilton show, bachelor something or another, etc). not documentarys, which are quite enlightening... but don't even try and convince me that is what most people watch tv for... i used to watch it, and yes a documentary here and there, but mainly useless programs...

Edit: I just wanted to add in here as well, I never said anything about TV being a conspiracy... Just that it prevents you from going outside, enjoying life, learning something new, and otherwise... Personally (ie this is my opinion) surfing the net, playing video games and reading books are MUCH better for you than tv... why? because while you are sitting there watching tv, your brain isn't being used as much... I know many of you have experienced the idea of turning off your brain while watching tv... you sit down to watch a show and then a few hours later realize you are still there, watching something you don't even like (infomercials)... It's happened to me, and I bet it's happened to others... However, while reading you are using your creativity to imagine yourself in the setting, and learning new words, how to be a better read, etc... and videogames/internet same idea-ish... though personally I don't really think videogames are all that great for you either, but at least you are interacting with it and coming up with ideas/strategies/etc... just my 2 cents since I feel that I have to justify myself or else apparently I'm going to bashed for saying my own opinion...

Thanks Tips!

You both stated that TV is evil, and your brother went as far to say that it is a brainwashing technique for major companies. Why shouldn't it be? If you were the owner of the company, you would want consumers to buy your product....why shouldn't they. I bet you own at least five products from the brainwashers yourselves....dun dun dunnnnn.....

I know a lot of people on this board, that enjoy both television and are also avid readers. It doesn't make them any less intelligent, or that they enjoy life less, or they are less active. I think you are generalizing a lot of people that you shouldn't.....

ps - surfing the internet isn't always that great of a pasttime, I will be the first to admit, unless I am doing work, I don't often get past reading myspace and FNK.

[Asheai]

Originally Posted by Avana

Thanks Tips!

You both stated that TV is evil, and your brother went as far to say that it is a brainwashing technique for major companies. Why shouldn't it be? If you were the owner of the company, you would want consumers to buy your product....why shouldn't they. I bet you own at least five products from the brainwashers yourselves....dun dun dunnnnn.....

I know a lot of people on this board, that enjoy both television and are also avid readers. It doesn't make them any less intelligent, or that they enjoy life less, or they are less active. I think you are generalizing a lot of people that you shouldn't.....

ps - surfing the internet isn't always that great of a pasttime, I will be the first to admit, unless I am doing work, I don't often get past reading myspace and FNK.

by saying "tv is evil" i don't seriously mean that. it's considered a "joke", if such a thing can actually exist on the net which I am highly doubtful of now. You seem to be only justifying the fact that you took what would have been considered two different opininons, turned it into somethign personal about me (and my bro), and completely twisted both of our words out of the original context. shouldn't you be proud of yourself for that one?

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by Sidekick

^have you maybe though that all those conspiracy theories were created by the CIA to distract you from the real problems happening to real people in the real world?

wake up, my little conspirator sheep.

Oh the double whammy reverse conspiracy.

Sorry, It's all very well sourced.:085:

so is it considered brainwashing the fact that you just posted that twice???

lol, jk

Whatever are you talking about dear ?:285:

Originally Posted by Asheai

by saying "tv is evil" i don't seriously mean that. it's considered a "joke", if such a thing can actually exist on the net which I am highly doubtful of now. You seem to be only justifying the fact that you took what would have been considered two different opininons, turned it into somethign personal about me (and my bro), and completely twisted both of our words out of the original context. shouldn't you be proud of yourself for that one?

You mean, like how you generalized everyone else?

[Draven GD]

Originally Posted by Avana

You call it brainwashing, I call it marketing.....

oh, well then its all ok then....


and yes, marketing works on me too... perhaps thats why i dont watch much TV. i dont need other people trying to make my desicions for me.

[Asheai]

Originally Posted by Avana

You mean, like how you generalized everyone else?

you're right I *was* generalizing... and not meaning every single person in the world... because that's impossible... I only meant the majority, which I usally try and specify for ppl that might take it otherwise... but really, I think it's quite impossible to have an intelluctual debate on the internet because no matter what, what you say and what other people take it as are two different things. Anyways, I don't really wanna argue about this, and I certainly don't want a stupid thing like ppl's opinions on whether tv is good or bad to turn into a personal attack on anyone. this thread is about whether YOU (being whoever) thinks tv is bad/harmful/conspiracy/good/whatever... and all I meant by what I said is that I think tv is bad for you. peroid. my opinion. thank you. lol

[Cdn_Brdr]

Originally Posted by Dravengd

oh, well then its all ok then....


and yes, marketing works on me too... perhaps thats why i dont watch much TV. i dont need other people trying to make my desicions for me.

Coming from the guy who once asked "what should I do" in regards to a chick he liked.... wouldn't you say that's asking for other people to make a decision for you? Hypocrite much?

I wouldn't doubt if half the people who are 'cable free' just can't afford it but use the 'I don't like TV' excuse as a cop out. It's not like cable is cheap...

[Draven GD]

Originally Posted by Cdn_Brdr

Coming from the guy who once asked "what should I do" in regards to a chick he liked.... wouldn't you say that's asking for other people to make a decision for you? Hypocrite much?

I wouldn't doubt if half the people who are 'cable free' just can't afford it but use the 'I don't like TV' excuse as a cop out. It's not like cable is cheap...

sometimes its good to get an outside oppinon, if you want it. i dont need to be force fed oppinions i dont want though...

[-evil-duerr-]

this thread is halarious.
The problem isn't television itself. It's how much tv people watch, and the programs they decide to watch that may be a problem.

Sometimes i turn the tube on if I'm sitting down for a meal, and/or on uneventful Sunday evenings i tune into Showcase for their wicked sunday lineup. (Trailer Park Boys, Six Feet Under, Kenny Vs. Spenny)
Not everyone who watches tv is sitting there for hours on end watching Entertainment Tonight and absorbing Mcdonalds commercials.

props to the guys who pointed out how wasting time on the internet can be just as bad as wasting time infront of the tv.

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by Dravengd

and yes, marketing works on me too... perhaps thats why i dont watch much TV. i dont need other people trying to make my desicions for me.

marketing isn't other people making your decisions for you. no one forces you to buy one product over another. YOU make that choice based on reviews from other people, your own research, and yes, even advertising. this doesn't mean you are forced or brainwashed into buying anything. it's still all your own decision. corporations could spend trillions of dollars on marketing if they wanted to and people could still decide just not to buy it.

[BongMan]

TV rocks for hockey

[maztraz]

Well let me put a few things straight...

When we say that kids have lack of imagination these days and can never find much to do by them selfs, just think of the numbers of images they look on a TV screen in only an hour - By that I am refering to the addiction of depending on outside images that they see unstaid of inside images that they should make - How can you possibly make a strong ideas on something if you cannot picture what it is really? TV has nothing to do with being stupid or brainless, I don't know where people got that idea at! It has to do with images that your mind makes, constructs ideas out of, can reconize puzzle ''imaginative'' just by picturing certain event/characteristic and much more that they can succesfully built ideas out of ...

All this you might wonder what is the use/purpose; love(seduction), activites(leisures), educational perpose and so on - Often you will suffer cause you cannot find something to do by your own, or find romance easily enough, or cannot picture ideas clearly enough...
Some were refering to brainless watchers, I doubt that kids are in any possition of juging weither TV is good or not, and some were comparing it to Internet; Yes internet is addictive, yes Internet is a image by its own out of reality just like TV and so on...Depending on what you do, Internet can also be one of the worlds largest sources of information&communication if you havn't figger that out yet, yep..

INTERNET
Their is often a communication that is made with people - not TV
Alot more culture, languages, political, art..etc messages commes out of it - TV is not comparable

We still all have child images/memories/characteristics from childhood deepdown that we don't always want to admit/show - so my point is as an adult you will tend to not always notice what has effected you if it has effected you as child. I couldn't agree more that they're is limits and you could just find a middle, but what do you do of a kid: when you BAN him from TV it makes it just more attractive, and when you want him to look at TV not too long it just makes it more addictive - Yes, alot of things are addictive, but alot of things aren't as spiritualy destructive..

And about marketing, I personaly think that it is a provocative form of consuming - so no it is often not a choice that you make but an idea that you want, a form of emotion that we all look for and cannot live without it, that is often characteristic that we all have - some are stronger then others and some have the chances that others don't and they cannot live without it cause they were surround since they were born by it...
So basicaly all your life you don't have much choices: what would cat do if they would smell/see a large pieces of meat in front of their cages?
Would they open the cage or respectfully stay in the cage? Yes, Humans can often be compared that way...

I don't think TV is evil, I just think it is a bad form of culture and I have notice this phenomene of TV addiction is the strongest in North America and Northern countries - I wouldn't say it's brainwashing reither a spiritual killer.

They're is some strong addicted people out they're and TV can be highly depressive, and can even be a form of violance in peoples minds, Im afraid not everyone is capable of limiting their selfs for their own goods..
That was the point of the thread
I"M HAPPY WITHOUT IT, CAUSE I DON'T EVEN NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT - Which gives me more space for other things to think about.

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by BongMan

TV rocks for hockey

Thats actually the only thing I use my TV for.:330:

[fable]

Originally Posted by Avana

Seriously, does the conspiracy theory stuff ever get tired?!

probably around the same time, that people who dont choose to believe in something, or are to unimaginative/inflexible in what ideaology they pursue, decide to throw down mindless, passive agressive blanket statements like this.

Oh the double whammy reverse conspiracy.

ooooooohhhh!!!!

Coming from the guy who once asked "what should I do" in regards to a chick he liked.... wouldn't you say that's asking for other people to make a decision for you? Hypocrite much?

I wouldn't doubt if half the people who are 'cable free' just can't afford it but use the 'I don't like TV' excuse as a cop out. It's not like cable is cheap

Man, youre one warped jackass. It took Television taking a shot to the chin for you to act up, and defend something, and in the process getting your feathers ruffled? And you go so far as calling people hypocrites? And offend people because of their spelling??

I think its high time you take some of your widely, and repeatedly offfered "advice" and SHUT UP.

marketing isn't other people making your decisions for you. no one forces you to buy one product over another. YOU make that choice based on reviews from other people, your own research, and yes, even advertising. this doesn't mean you are forced or brainwashed into buying anything. it's still all your own decision. corporations could spend trillions of dollars on marketing if they wanted to and people could still decide just not to buy it.

OOO!, sounds like someones feeling intellectually empowered! Some television marketing moguls and their repsective teams spend countless numbers of hours, on studying: demographic studies, case studies, human responce studies, blind tests, interviews, viewer statistics and on and on and on. They spend their careers trying to figure you out, day by day, hour, by hour, second my second. Television is almost 50 percent advertisements these days, and if you factor all this in, sooner or later something, however small gets into your brain, that was planned to. Choice? your an extremely bright person, and i think sooner or later, your going to need to question how much is choice, and how much is you being ignorant to the fact that there are people out there who get paid tp know YOU inside and out.

You call it brainwashing, I call it marketing.....

So if its just really semantic we are debating here, why did you get so uppity in the first place? And why did we need to bring up the Golden Girls! (shudder)

^have you maybe though that all those conspiracy theories were created by the CIA to distract you from the real problems happening to real people in the real world?

wake up, my little conspirator sheep.

I find the fact that its you that brought up this comment, strangely, and satisfyingly ironic.

Threads like this are great! Everybody gets all worked up and cusses each other out. I mean really, aren't our lives just so much better off when we turn off the TV and yell at each other via the internet? Society really is taking a turn now with this whole internet thing! WOW... I mean really, THIS IS GREAT!

Ah yes, fnk's very own moses, with the summation of the irony and hypocricy in this thread. No man shall touch thine own plethera of wit, for it is a veritable cornocopea of intelligence and understanding that shall render all who attempt to intercede, intellectually imponent, and laid waste, for he hath spoken, and we shall listen...... (think charleston heston as moses)

Personally i think most of tv is lame. I havent watched much in the last several years, and i dont watch many movies either, unless they are some sort of documentary/visual editorial. Why this should offend any of the tv or movie watching population, i know not, that isnt my intent. Television for me, is just an example/representation/societal analogy that has become a parady of our own consumerist way of life. Most are guilty, i know i am. When i go by case studies, or political references, i usaully by them from chapters. This is just one small tiny insignificant example, but one that can also speak volumes. The televison isnt really the problem, its who we empower or allow to use the televison, to peddle their wares, their beleifs, and their ignorance.

That said, i think there would be a legitemacy to enjoying tv, if there wasnt so much chaos on the planet, and there wasnt so much subversiveness in the tv.

I think there was a massive overeation on the part of avana/cnd brdr that was almost reminiscient of well....ME!!!! Dont go there yo! One of me is enough! I also think that considering the nature of who you two we shitting on (drevngd, ashi) and how they practically NEVER say an offensive, personal insult to ANYONE, i think you both sound like even bigger assholes, in light of this.

The real question I HAVE is why you two are defending tv, so emphatically?

[Cdn_Brdr]

You are such a jackass.... hahaha

I don't even give the slightest amount of shit about the boob tube. All I'm saying is that people should harldy act high and mighty and better than everyone else because they choose not to watch it.

I also didn't realize that cracking a joke here and there made me into some FnK crusader a la Moses (weak comparison by the way). If you think even for a second that I had my feathers ruffled you really need to consider that operation where they remove your head from your anal cavity (how's that taste by the way?)... I could care less. This is the internet conspiracy boy! Guys like you are merely a way for me to keep myself entertained while at work. The fact that you get all stirred up so often just makes it fun for me to argue with you. I LIKE PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE OK. :)

Maybe it's time for you to realize that you might as well give up on me bucko. I'm not going to fall for a single one of your conspiracy theories and you'll never sway me from what I believe in regards to anything.

[fable]

Originally Posted by Cdn_Brdr

You are such a jackass.... hahaha

I don't even give the slightest amount of shit about the boob tube. All I'm saying is that people should harldy act high and mighty and better than everyone else because they choose not to watch it.

I also didn't realize that cracking a joke here and there made me into some FnK crusader a la Moses (weak comparison by the way). If you think even for a second that I had my feathers ruffled you really need to consider that operation where they remove your head from your anal cavity (how's that taste by the way?)... I could care less. This is the internet conspiracy boy! Guys like you are merely a way for me to keep myself entertained while at work. The fact that you get all stirred up so often just makes it fun for me to argue with you. I LIKE PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE OK. :)

Maybe it's time for you to realize that you might as well give up on me bucko. I'm not going to fall for a single one of your conspiracy theories and you'll never sway me from what I believe in regards to anything.

i could give two fucks about you. Its your kid i worry about.

Originally Posted by fable

probably around the same time, that people who dont choose to believe in something, or are to unimaginative/inflexible in what ideaology they pursue, decide to throw down mindless, passive agressive blanket statements like this.

So if its just really semantic we are debating here, why did you get so uppity in the first place? And why did we need to bring up the Golden Girls! (shudder)

^have you maybe though that all those conspiracy theories were created by the CIA to distract you from the real problems happening to real people in the real world?

I find the fact that its you that brought up this comment, strangely, and satisfyingly ironic.

I think there was a massive overeation on the part of avana/cnd brdr that was almost reminiscient of well....ME!!!! Dont go there yo! One of me is enough! I also think that considering the nature of who you two we shitting on (drevngd, ashi) and how they practically NEVER say an offensive, personal insult to ANYONE, i think you both sound like even bigger assholes, in light of this.

Fable, seriously, do you log onto FNK and do a search on the word "conspiracy"?!?! You are a moth to a flame.

Firstly, because I don't share your belief system, does not mean that I have no beliefs. Nor does it mean I am impoverished or unimaginative. You seem to take what you believe and try to shove it down peoples throats on this site. I, on the other hand, keep those types of things to myself, if someone asks I tell....

Secondly, I got uppity for the same reason Shawn did. Don't act pretentious because you don't watch TV. Don't tell me that it is the governments puppet. Don't tell me that it is going to make me dumb/unimaginative/less active.

PS - the golden girls was a prime example of television made with no alterior motive other than to gross you out. I see my point hit home.

And lastly, I will stop being passive aggresive just for you!

I don't believe that the CIA made up these conspiracy theories to distract me from the real problems in the world. I think you made them up in your head in your younger drug induced days and this is the residual effects. I guess if I didn't often leave my house, or was chalk full of mood altering drugs, that I would probably be a lot more like you. I don't want to believe what you do, I can't be bothered to waste my time on the stuff you do and quite frankly, I get tired of reading about your conspiracy theories. I have a job, a company outside my job, a life......maybe you should consider getting one too. And before you go and tell me that I contribute nothing to my society and I have no belief systems, I can tell you that I contribute to over 15 charities a year, I don't believe in war or guns, I volunteer at my grandmothers care home, and I fully support youth activities and anything that helps youth and the arts. Less passive aggressive enough for you?

If I want to get up and watch TV cause I am tired of reading Fable's bullshit on FNK, I will, it may save me a few braincells in fact....

Just saying is all.....

[Draven GD]

Originally Posted by Avana

Don't tell me that it is the governments puppet. Don't tell me that it is going to make me dumb/unimaginative/less active...

sure Ignorance is bliss after all...

[Cdn_Brdr]

Originally Posted by fable

i could give two fucks about you. Its your kid i worry about.

You wanted to get me pissed Shak? You wanted to goad me into a fight?

DON'T YOU EVER FUCKING QUESTION MY ABILITY AS A FATHER AGAIN YOU FUCK. I have an 8yr old son who happens to be one of the most important things in the world to me and who, as far as I can tell, is turning out to be a fine person indeed. He's bright, unassuming, and a joy to be around. He's polite, and nice to anyone he meets.... steps above plenty of other children I've seen over the years. How dare you make comments saying I don't know how to be a father to my child. You want to talk ignorance? Shut up about what you don't know.

You want to try and make this personal? You just did....

Originally Posted by fable

i could give two fucks about you. Its your kid i worry about.

You know Shakeel, I thought maybe with my previous post, I had possibly taken it one step too far, but after reading this, I am sorry I didn't take it further.