It's hard out here for a pimp

[Bobby_T]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

But it's self-perpetuating. You said so yourself your family member has been nominated for two themselves. Which means that people who make dry, boring and safe movies are voting for dry, boring and safe movies.

Crash was none of these things. It tackled real issues, such as racial predjudice. But you didn't watch it so I guess your opinion doesn't really count.

[Sarah...]

crash is one of the best movies I have seen in a while.... I love movies that intertwine the lives of each character....Its kinda the same style of traffic, magnolia, and pulp fiction....

[B.Traits]

Originally Posted by Bobby_T

36 mafia just won an oscar for their song "It's Hard Out Here For a Pimp"

haahah

[Wood]

Originally Posted by McNasty

Dude the movies you listed (including Pulp Fiction) are movies I would consider "cool"...not that they're bad....but they dont consist of enough good cinematic elements to put them in oscar contention (except maybe in some aspects).

some undeniably good movies (meaning good acting, cinemtography, direction, script etc.) are:

Yes,
Forrest Gump
Shawkshank Redemption
Road to Perdition
Rear Window
Requiem For a Dream
Good Will Hunting
Saving Private ryan

and most of these movies didn't get oscar attention for no reason

'good cinematic aspects' have NOTHING to do with why your list of films got more oscar consideration than ebbo's list. most of the pictures you listed make better oscar material because they (with the exception of RFAD) rely on safe, tried-and-true hollywood story telling devices, while the films ebbo mentioned are more cutting edge and original. Unless you consider formulaic writing & direction to be good cinema, which in my mind couldn't be further from the truth. Which is not to say i don't love some of the films you mentioned... but i'll always have a greater appreciation of films that challenge the notions of good filmaking put forth by the academy.

I personally don't give a shit about the oscars & haven't bothered watching in years. I think it's hilarious that 3-6 Mafia won an oscar for a mediocre song from an otherwise fairly good (although formulaic) picture. Not sure who they were up against... but he competition can't have been very fierce!

[Bobby_T]

Originally Posted by B.Traits

You callin me an ass?

hahaha

[dave mcnasty]

Honestly I dont think good films (and oscar-worthy films) should necessarily be "more cutting edge and original".

You can't say any of the movies I listed were unoriginal. They may consist of some "tried-and-true hollywood story telling devices" but I dont think that makes them anything worse.

I do agree with how the Academy Awards dont exactly recognize all the good movies out there....but you can't say most of their choices are bad

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

I Heart Huckabees

I love that movie!

[decypher]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

What do I consider a good movie?
Fight Club
Reservoir Dogs
Swingers
Trainspotting
Donnie Darko
I Heart Huckabees

WTF do you consider a good movie?

I own everyone of those movies except trainspotting and I <3 huckabees, which are on my list of wants haha. Good choices!

[Wood]

Originally Posted by McNasty

Honestly I dont think good films (and oscar-worthy films) should necessarily be "more cutting edge and original".

You can't say any of the movies I listed were unoriginal. They may consist of some "tried-and-true hollywood story telling devices" but I dont think that makes them anything worse.

I do agree with how the Academy Awards dont exactly recognize all the good movies out there....but you can't say most of their choices are bad

not saying they're bad choices, but i think too much stock is put in the Academy's estimation of what makes a good film. At the end of the day, winning an oscar doesn't really say fuck all about how good a film is. All it says is that it's struck the proper balance of mass appeal & quality film making that the academy can conscionably give it an award without losing the intrest of prime time tv viewers. which, as someone who appreciates good cinema regardless of it's mass appeal, means absolutely nothing to me.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Bobby_T

Crash was none of these things. It tackled real issues, such as racial predjudice. But you didn't watch it so I guess your opinion doesn't really count.

hein. i wrote up a big long reply a little while ago but timed out and didn't feel like going through the effort of actually posting it (i was at work)... yeah, they've done well from time to time. american beauty, network....

but don't forget that titanic won 11 oscars.

and it's not even so much the subject matter. philidelphia was about a gay guy with AIDS. it's just that the movie style itself and the ways in which the story is told is always safe and predictable.

i'll have to go see crash. i've heard many good things about it. but that's not to say that the oscars definitely like the 'oscar style'.

eh. i'm too zonked to really argue this heavily tonight. maybe i will tomorrow.

[Grapes]

You can't say any of the movies I listed were unoriginal. They may consist of some "tried-and-true hollywood story telling devices" but I dont think that makes them anything worse.

But it does make them less original.

Try to connect the second sentence of your paragraph with the first one, in future.

PS Pulp Fiction was robbed.. Ebbomegga I was right there with you in 94 (in spirit)

PPS You knew the other song contenders were in trouble when they threw Queen Latifah a bone and let her present the oscar.

[dave mcnasty]

Yeah in the first sentence I said good movies don't necessarily have to be original....in the second one I said the movies I listed weren't unoriginal....so what?

Forrest Gump was quite original....it's not like it was white cop meets funny black cop or aliens were invading earth. When has any story like Forrest Gump been done? When (before Forrest Gump) had they flawlessly edited a character into historical footage with visual effects? I'd actually like to know what you guys find unoriginal about Forrest Gump

[Wood]

^like ebbo said, it's not so much the content as it is the way the film is made. From the choice of cast, right down to technical stuff like camera angles & editing... the oscars always seem to favor films that take a more traditional approach.

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by Bobby_T

Crash was none of these things. It tackled real issues, such as racial predjudice. But you didn't watch it so I guess your opinion doesn't really count.

ugh god, how many times has hollywood done that? why are people still shocked and amazed by it?

[crookedking]

you all have appalling tastes when it comes to movies.

[ebbomega]

^^ For the last time, tim, Beach Babe Bimbo Fiesta doesn't count as oscar-calibre.

[dave mcnasty]

Originally Posted by Wood

^like ebbo said, it's not so much the content as it is the way the film is made. From the choice of cast, right down to technical stuff like camera angles & editing... the oscars always seem to favor films that take a more traditional approach.

I understand what you're saying....but i guess i'm just trying to say that not every good movie has to be a Requiem for a Dream or a Memento

[ebbomega]

^^ Yes, but when you're deciding for the best film of the year, you could find SOMETHING better than Shakespeare In Love, wouldn't you say?

[Drazkers]

i didn't agree with the results but i did find John Stewart amusing for the few moments i watched it.

[crookedking]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

^^ For the last time, tim, Beach Babe Bimbo Fiesta doesn't count as oscar-calibre.

more proof that the whole show is rigged.

[Grapes]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

ugh god, how many times has hollywood done that? why are people still shocked and amazed by it?

I found Crash's take on an admittedly played subject to be surprisingly fresh. Right from the opening scene, when a couple of black kids are discussing how just because they're black, all the rich white people around them think they're about to get car jacked.

That kind of sentiment is cliched. What wasn't cliched was how they then pulled out guns and jacked someone's car.

It was a bit cute about it, but still generally fresh and insightful on the whole racism subject.

[MissBehavior]

Originally Posted by Neotribe

John Stewart's rcrack about Scorcese was perfect.
Personally, I think the song was really weak.

Is that movie any good? It hasn't even been released in Asia.

This is what the internet and bit torrent is for.

[ebbomega]

what irked me a whole bunch about the show was how they were trying to glamourize the theatre experience, ragging on dvds. it's kinda funny too, i think it was left unspoken but what they were really pushing the propoganda against was downloads.

[acidic_liquid]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

what irked me a whole bunch about the show was how they were trying to glamourize the theatre experience, ragging on dvds. it's kinda funny too, i think it was left unspoken but what they were really pushing the propoganda against was downloads.

Oscars= Stunt to pull up struggling theatre industry!

[ebbomega]

This year in particular. I think that's why they were pushed to actually chose pretty good movies in the nominees this year, because everybody's lost faith in modern movies and they're downloading instead.

MPAA might actually be catching on... It's not downloads that are killing the movie industry, it's CRAPPY MOVIES that people don't want to pay for.