May 05, 06
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 Some of you should talk to this Guy and get one custom fitted! 
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May 05, 06
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the beginning of what?
that is a very open ended statment. the beginning of the end of the world? the beginning of a run in you nylons? the beginning of the attempt to take secret information from your brain? the beginning of G.W. Bush's stalking you, personally? THE BEGINNING OF WHAT? :-O
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May 05, 06
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lol. cute.
The beginning of us getting used to giving up personal information without necessarily knowing where it is going so it can be used against us...more in general than individually. Sounds paranoid, but really. Why does America need to know things about Canadian citizens? It doesn't. So let's not let them get a foot in the door. Maybe I'm paranoid. Actually I hope so. But you never know...
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May 05, 06
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America isn't getting our info. Lockheed is simply processing a simple Database and returning the Data to the Canadian Government. How hard is that? No conspiracy about it. It's just outsourced data crunching and it happens all the time.
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May 05, 06
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the census is definitly not the beginning of any kind of government monitering 1984 big brother situation. if you're going to be worried and paranoid about the government collecting information on you...then at least be worried about the right kind of information. they've been doing the census for years and years and so far they havent asked for any more personal information...so i doubt it's the beginning to anyting. the only thing that doesn't sit well for me is that we're giving money to a big american company, when we could have used a big canadian company. oh well. edit: even if the states was going to use that information against you....what the hell are they going to do with it? they know your name, where you live, how old you are and whether you are male or female...not really highly classified information. like i said before, they could get that information from the public phone book or somewhere on the internet if they really wanted it so badly.
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May 05, 06
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ITS NOT THE CENSUS THAT BOTHERS ME.
It's the possibility of third parties (other than StatsCan) having the entire canadian population essentially rolodexed and cross-referenced at the click of a mouse button. Or that they could screw with the information for their own purposes...like false statistics and whatnot. AND the fact that Canadians are losing jobs to a billion-dollar American corporation. And mapleleaf4ever, of course they SAY no one is getting the info. But they can't gaurantee that. It's just words, and we know the government isn't exactly renowned for telling the truth. Like I said, there's a good chance there's nothing shady going on at all. And I hope it's not.
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May 05, 06
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isn't that what you started the thread about? wtf. and you never mentioned anything about canadians losing jobs to americans until jake here did. good on ya.
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May 05, 06
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May 05, 06
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what bad purposes could they use this information for? but yes, like you said there and like i said before...i wish a canadian company had got the job. just to support canadian industry.
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May 05, 06
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impure, i did respond. i said its not the information itself that really bothers me. as far as what it could be used for ... on its own, individually against me, not much. but in general, having the entire country filed and cross-referenced at your fingertips is a lot easier than going through myspace accounts or phonebooks to get it, person by person. it could give a company or country a lot of general demographic information about us that i don't think they need to know.
the other point is that sure, this information is harmless...but what about next time, and the next? i wouldn't want us to gradually become complacent about having the us holding more and more information about us over time. and i think that's what bothers me more than anything: the implication of the possible gradual erosion of our personal and collective privacy. and i did mention the thing about canadians losing jobs, im pretty sure. if not in the initial post it was because i gave a link which discussed it. oh man, i get all defensive and end up sounding a lot more gung-ho paranoid about this than i really am. lol. i'm just saying, you can never be sure. :P
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May 05, 06
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but we asked you what you're afraid they'll do with the information.
i still stand by my idea that they'll be sending out birthday cards, or, OR valentines cards! ooooh a valentine from the bush administration. you try getting a date EVER after people catch wind that you're the bush administrations valentine. not gonna happen man, not gonna happen.
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May 05, 06
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i guess i could see how the US having access to our demographics could be of use to them. but only through companies being able to tailor adverisements and such to certain areas because they know a certain age group resides there, or whatever. not that i think that's what is happening, but i guess hypothetically they could use the information for that. however, i doubt that the US is selling our demographic information to outside corporations. that would be a pretty ballsy slap in the face to one of their biggest trading partners.
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May 05, 06
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again, if anyone has looked at the government's website they would know that although it is an american company, these operations are being completely carried out in Canada, by Canadian employees and abiding by Canada's privacy laws and standards.
durrrr
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May 05, 06
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It says right on the back of the cenus that the information you fill out is private, confidential, and can only be accessed (by you) by writing to stats canada.
After filling out the form, the most personal thing they ask you about is your income and whether or not you'd allow your information to be made public 90+ years after the cenus is complete. Don't like a question on it? Don't fill in the blank. Guess what? Almost nothing is ever 100% completely confidential. The government is run by C, C+,and B students. The government is an institute that hires not based upon qualifications but meeting racial/sex quotas. Yes, they even hire ravers - The government factors to the lowest common denominator. In other words, we're all fucked anway.
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