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the census ...
It seems Stats. Canada has outsourced the processing of the 2006 census to Lockheed Martin. As in the American company. That manufactures weapons. And I'm pretty sure has some serious ties to the Bush family?
They want us to file online ... I dunno about you but I don't trust that one bit. check this link. http://www.countmeout.ca/ I think I'll send the government a letter requesting my census form in Russian... Last edited by prozac; May 04, 06 at 11:33 AM. 
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whoa. "there's nothing worse than ignorance! if there is, i don't want to know about it!" think about it.
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Maybe if I fill it out they'll send me an Atom Bomb or an SR-71 Blackbird? COUNT ME IN!!)(@*!(@*
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^ Did you know that it's actually breaking the Law by not filling it out if you recieve one?
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I was gonna fill it out but appearently my info is not going to where it says it will go. I haven't done my taxes in 3 years. That is breakin the law too!
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May 04, 06
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Most likely this is a case of the Canadian government cooperating with the Americans while trying to seem like they're not.
Odds are the American company will complete the census then hand all the info over to Homeland Security. Which will profile it and scour for information they would like. Not a huge threat to me (white,blue eyes ect) but I wouldn't want my name to start with ackmed or mohanmed ect ect If this info ever comes to light as having been used by the U.s the Canadian gov will be like "oh my, that friendly U.S company gave us all sorts of assurances they would never hand that info over. Boy were we fooled".
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Wednesday, April 26, 2006
'Count Me Out' Responds to Questions About StatsCan's Outsourcing to US Firm In this letter, CountMeOut responds to some questions about the validity of their claims about StatsCan's outsourcing of our Census to Lockeed Martin, and concerns about the privacy and confidentiality of Canadians, as well as ethical concerns. It is becoming apparent that StatsCan is distorting both the contents and the position of the CountMeOut.ca website. To summarize the issue: CountMeOut.ca and StatsCan agree on the basic facts. It is in the conclusions that flow from these basic facts that CountMeOut and Statscan differ. At many places in CountMeOut.ca, we confirm that Lockheed Martin's involvement is in developing the software and hardware. We are not trying to mislead anybody. But we don't accept StatCan's soothing assurances that the data is fully secure. We discuss this fully on the following CountMeOut.ca page: http://home.primus.ca/~donrogers/privacy/index.htm StatsCan are directing all their attack to the question of data confidentiality. This is a judgment call. I suppose the only way CountMeOut.ca will be proved correct is if data actually does end up with the CIA--but then again, the CIA does not have to inform anyone that they have snooped. We would rather err on the side of caution. But StatsCan have completely failed to address the other issues that CountMeOut.ca raises: 1. The ethical and moral repugnance of millions of taxpayer dollars going to a subsidiary of Lockheed Martin Corp., one of the worlds biggest manufacturers of weapons of destruction, and one of the biggest customers of the US Pentagon. 2. The fact that outsourcing the Census to Lockheed Martin takes Canada another small step down the road to deep integration with the USA; another erosion of Canadian sovereignty, leading eventually to the demise of Canada. The further diminishing of Canada's international status as we are becoming viewed as a US client state. Can you imagine the uproar which would occur in the US if part of the US census were contracted out to a Canadian company, such as Bombardier. Look at the furor over the Dubai ports issue in the US. 3. Loss of Canadian census worker jobs. The two new Lockheed Martin innovations in the 2006 Census--online census filing and optical scanning of paper census forms--, will, if not checked, lead to massive job losses of Census outside door-knockers and inside data-entry clerks. Both in this census and especially in future ones. Many of the minimum co-operation methods advocated by CountMeOut.ca are aimed at 1)discouraging online filing 2) making the paper census returns unreadable by the Lockheed Martin scanning equipment, but readable by StatsCan Canadian wage-earning data entry clerks. The only other argument that StatsCan offers is that the aggregate statistics arising out of the census are socially valuable--for things like determining transfer payments to provinces, etc. We agree that the final data is useful, but we say that again StatsCan is clouding the issue. www.CountMeOut.ca is not advocating outright refusal of citizens to provide census data--just to slow down the process and make it more difficult for StatsCan, particularly by making the census forms unreadable by LM scanners, but readable by live StatsCan wage earners. But at the end of the day, StatsCan will have its census data for all the worthwhile uses that StatsCan proclaims and will be proclaiming in their upcoming taxpayer-funded $13million advertising/promotion campaign. For all of these reasons, we urge Canadians not to be sidetracked by StatsCan into only one aspect of the Lockheed Martin outsourcing--the confidentiality or not of census data. We remind Canadians clearly in www.CountMeOut.ca that even if confidentiality could be 100% guaranteed with Lockheed Martin's involvement (and it can't), there are many other reasons WHICH STATISTICS CANADA AVOIDS DISCUSSING, why Canadians should offer only minimum co-operation with the 2006Census. I hope that we have addressed your concerns. The fact that StatsCan is distorting CountMeOut.ca suggests to us that we must be making progress!! If you have any further questions/comments, we welcome them. Best regards Don Rogers Kingston, Ont www.CountMeOut.ca http://verbena-19.blogspot.com/2006/...questions.html
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what are you all so worried about...it's not like they're asking crazy personal question about you.
let's see here...my name, my sex, my marital status, what my first language is... you all give up more personal information than that in the public phone book, or your myspace.com profile, so stop being so fucking paranoid. i would be more concerned with people being able to buy cell phone records and personal information online, rather than with statscan and them knowing that i'm a guy and not married. filling this out doesn't mean you are giving the government more information about you than they already know (hello you file taxes every year and get passports and credit cards and are on file at schools and universities). they use this information to provide community and provincial services, so they know the age make-up of certain areas so they can provide better services to suit the people in that area.
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im sure if you snooped you would find that the U<US has stakes in a lot of confidential and important buiness in Canada. face it, we are fucked, and no one is invisible.
like Sidekick said, the census is good news and the info you provide is used (apparently) to benefit you.
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the only reason why the government does it is becuase its in our constitution and they would be going against the law if they didnt
and ya you're not giving up that much info...big deal...it helps it determining certain things that they may want to put a budget into...too bad it takes three years for the results to be published...and jake is right...ive seen more stuff in a myspace profile if you want to count yourself out in the census then you mine as well count yourself out of everything else...including the internet, opening up a bank account, signing up for a credit card....etc
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for what it's worth.
myself and a fellow fnker both worked for census in 2001, we were hired specifically for the busy period during the 3 main days. we worked the phones answering questions and helping people fill out their forms. the info is so basic it's laughable. like sidekick said, all you paranoid bullshitters give up way more information on a daily basis on your livejournal/fnk/myspace etc etc accounts. also, if you wanna be a big rebel, this is like not voting as far as i'm concerned. this is where our govt gets it's statistics like "x amount of folks live here, so they need a school" this is where canada gets its' stats. so it'd be real helpful to the country if you could help out.
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I don't think the issue is the information or what they _say_ it's going to be used for but more the implications of what it could be used for if not properly monitored...and the fact that outsourcing an important Canadian government activity to an American company with strong ties to the Bush administration just doesn't sit well. Too many scary possibilities.
I'm not saying I WON'T fill out the census, just that I'll make it difficult and do it in a way so that Lockheed Martin's software can't process it. I'd rather have a person read it anyways. I trust that software like I trust electronic voting....which is not at all. Like someone else said: They don't take away your privacy all at once, they do it bit by bit so people think "Oh, my name, address, marital status, no big deal" and give it all up, one piece at a time. I don't mind the government having that information for census purposes. But I do mind those in power screwing around with it, or giving it to someone else to do what they want with, or taking it from me to get me used to revealing more and more things about myself to shady third parties/un-accountable American corporations or government agencies.
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