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May 17, 06
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Debates called for under the radar!?
So there are debates going on today surrounding the already extended campaign in Afghanistan and should it be further continued, all in reletive secrecy and without any communication with the Canadian public???
Please join us tommorow at the Canadian Forces recruting center for an emergency picket action. Even if you do not believe in the relevency of said action, it is important to connect with other young people, share your feelings and hear those of others and start engaging in some continual dialogue. Ill be there and look forward to talking with anyone and everyone who feel like stopping by, regardless of your stance. ________________________________________ _________________________ E M E R G E N C Y P R O T E S T P I C K E T A C T I O N ! ***CANADA OUT OF AFGHANISTAN!*** ***END THE OCCUPATION NOW!*** CALL FOR AN INDEPENDENT PUBLIC INQUIRY INTO THE CANADIAN WAR DRIVE IN AFGHANISTAN! ***************************** Thursday May 18 12:30pm at the Canadian Armed Forces Recruitment Center 1070 W Georgia St (on Georgia St at Thurlow St) ***************************** With virtually no notice to the public, the government of Canada has called for a 6-hour debate on Wednesday May 17 to vote to extend Canada’s occupation of Afghanistan by 2 more years, until 2009. In 4 years of Canadian occupation of Afghanistan, conditions for Afghan people have only worsened, with the complete lack of basic services as well as the mounting death toll for Afghan civilians in the uncounted tens of thousands. The government of Canada is now seeking to extend this war and occupation for plunder until 2009 with the May 17 parliamentary vote. This is an attempt to sidestep the growing opposition to the occupation as more and more soldiers from Canada return home in body bags. More and more people in Canada are opposing this war drive and we must continue to protest and continue the call for an independent public inquiry into why Canada is occupying Afghanistan and why the government of Canada has never consulted people in Canada on this decision. Join the MAWO picket action on May 18 and demand “Canada Out of Afghanistan NOW!” and "Call for an Independent Public Inquiry in the Canadian War Drive in Afghanistan!" ***************************** Organized by Mobilization Against War & Occupation(MAWO) www.mawovancouver.org [email protected] 604.322.1764 
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May 17, 06
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hm. i knew that they were going to be having this debate today. there were articles about it in the globe and mail. i wouldn't say they are doing this in secrecy, but they definitly haven't given a lot of notice or played it up very much that they are going to be debating the issue.
at least they're having a debate instead of just signing on for another whatever ammount of years. edit: fable, MAWO is all for self determination, right?
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May 17, 06
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As for the debate, there has been no public involvement at any point in deciding any course of action, nor has there been entertaining of an independent body conducting such debates. Of course this is no surprise, but in the face of Canada being a "democracy" such lack of avenues for regular Canadians to take any part in active dialogue is ridiculous, even if it is on purpose. The debate is a farce, a sham, and completely irrelevant. Mainly its political posturing and putting up and air of active dialogue for the purpose of critique and analysis. From the very start all party leaders have supported the war, and have offered no true opposing opinion or argument. It’s a waste of time and as irrelevant, and is far below any number of prime time reality television programming in terms of garnering interest. How is your website coming along?
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May 17, 06
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Because the Recruiting Centre has the pipeline to the Government... right.
Maybe some of you should apply instead. TAKE THEM DOWN FROM THE INSIDE!
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May 17, 06
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Meh, honestly I couldn't really care less.
The fat-cat suits in Ottawa are payed to take care of this kind of thing, and I highly doubt our soldiers are over there to eat babies. Besides, in international politics there are inevitably a lot of things kept from the public view for security ect reasons. So ultimately the public couldn't really make an informed decision anyway. On the plus side: I hear the new Armoured Vehicles are a fantastic improvement!
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May 17, 06
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website...argh. haha. getting funding through UBC is difficult, but we're still exploring options. we're looking to try to launch sometime in september...as a launch in the summer would probably not go over as well. since the bulk of the people interested are university students it would be best to launch the site once main classes are back in session. everyone's brain shuts down in the summer a bit, i think.
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May 17, 06
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Yeah, the Afghanistan mission is a totally unnecessary drain on the public coffers.
If only the USA would fix it's absurd foreign policy we could leave the middle east to wallow in it's own backwardness.... Hell, we probably still should.
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May 17, 06
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NO NO NO NO.....we need to be in afgahnistan. we need that oil pipeline. how eles would you be able to make your picket signs!.
support our troops support the war in iraq support our PRESIDENT!!!! ...GOD BLESS....JESUS LOVES YOU.....READ YOUR BIBLE.
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May 17, 06
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^ Tell that to an Israeli.
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May 17, 06
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"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that... I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
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May 17, 06
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Exaaaaaaaaactly.
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May 17, 06
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I think "working from the inside" is just a romanticised ideal for people who are inpatient or dont understand the scope of work, or the need for a movement to start from the ground up. I personally would support anyone that had a legitimate plan, but most of what i have been exposed to has been shear careerism. On the other side of "working from the inside" is extemism like assasinations, and the sort, and Im not going to live in such a fantasy world personally, to think this holds any relevancy for me. And furthermore I've been reminded consistantly that these actions usually end making things far far worse. On a side note if you have the funds or a connection to funds that can supplying us with airfare and ferry costs on a consistant basis I wont object to your donations! ;)
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May 17, 06
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^ heh I see what you're saying. I'm just thinking that there could be a more effective and symbolic location than a Recruiting Centre.
Personally I think more People should be supportive of the Men and Women of the Canadian Forces that have chosen to serve their Country abroad. http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/communi...rd/index_e.asp Write to our own... if you were stuck in Afghanistan I'm sure you'd like a nice letter once in awhile.
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May 17, 06
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haha, If I was in charge I'd have agents trolling all theses post boards looking for agitators. Then vans would show up at their houses the next day so they could be taken off for re-education.
Now if that's not despotism I don't know what is Whoo hooo!!!! Oh, and the recruitment offices would have something to do with it. I'm just not sure what.
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May 18, 06
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[quote=mapleleaf4ever I think more People should be supportive of the Men and Women of the Canadian Forces that have chosen to serve their Country abroad.[/quote]
If people are not supportive of the operations and agenda in which said men and women work in/represent, then why would they support those who carry them out? Im sorry maple, im not going to support any man or women who makes possible imperialist invasion for the purpose of capitalist expansion. I do on the other hand support the spreading of awareness about how civilians are being enticed in the armed forces in the first place. Tuition, financial security, and blind nationalism in no way is a rationale for said expansion. ps. Asides from tough words I in no way want more Canadian soldiers to die in this bullshit war. Last edited by fable; May 18, 06 at 01:37 AM.
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