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I wonder how many American citizens are aware that they're ancestors traded in the scalps of woman and children for a bounty back then just as easy as trading pop cans for a refund today.
As many Yanks are aware as as many nucks are aware.
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I think what he's getting at is that the site that you linked to seems just as lacking in credibility. We all have our bias but what makes the difference when forming an opinion is looking a bit deeper. That sight was going along the lines of debunking that video and therefore debunking it's claims. What I was getting at is that it didn't even address the issues. All it did was attack the people's credibility involved, quite well I might add.
Worked for Bush in 2004, didn't it?

Swiff boat veterans for truth, WHUT?!?!

It still blows my mind that the negative publicity campaign against Kerry was so successful it made a decorated war hero's character suspect, when his opposition was a proven deserter.
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Worked for Bush in 2004, didn't it?

Swiff boat veterans for truth, WHUT?!?!

It still blows my mind that the negative publicity campaign against Kerry was so successful it made a decorated war hero's character suspect, when his opposition was a proven deserter.
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Worked for Bush in 2004, didn't it?

Swiff boat veterans for truth, WHUT?!?!

It still blows my mind that the negative publicity campaign against Kerry was so successful it made a decorated war hero's character suspect, when his opposition was a proven deserter.
I have 2 words for you, Karl Rove. Few people realize how brilliant, vicious, and efficient he is. If you want some really interesting reading check out this article from AM. This guy has literally crushed political opponents so badly that they have lost their career's and family's.



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Karl Rove is at his most formidable when running close races, and his skills would be notable even if he used no extreme methods. But he does use them. His campaign history shows his willingness, when challenged, to employ savage tactics
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200411/green
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Karl Rove.
thats one bad bad muthahfuggah!
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2nd Allegation of Killing Prompts US Marine Commander to Go to Iraq By Al Pessin
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25 May 2006


The top officer in the U.S. Marine Corps has announced that he is going to Iraq to talk to his troops about upholding their honor, in the wake of a second allegation that marines killed innocent civilians in the country. A senior U.S. senator, who was briefed on the allegations Thursday, calls them "very, very serious."
According to the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq, the new allegations involve an incident in late April in which Marines allegedly killed an Iraqi civilian near the town of Hamandiyah, west of Baghdad. A news release says local Iraqi officials complained about the incident at a meeting with coalition officers on May 1, and that a preliminary investigation found enough information to warrant a criminal probe. The release says "several" troops suspected of involvement in the incident have been removed from the operational unit and returned to the United States.
This latest investigation comes as the military appears to be close to finishing its investigation of an incident last November in the town of Haditha, in which at least 15 Iraqi civilians were killed. It has been alleged that marines killed the civilians to retaliate for the death of one of their comrades.
John Warner Members of the Senate's Armed Services Committee were briefed on that investigation Thursday. After the closed session, their chairman, Senator John Warner, declined to provide any further details of the incident, but indicated that he takes it very seriously.
"I have characterized them, based on my own experience, as very, very serious allegations," said John Warner. "And there have been facts substantiated to date to underpin those allegations."
Senator Warner said the decision by the Marine Corps Commandant, General Michael Hagee, to go to Iraq and talk with his troops on the front lines reflects the seriousness of the matter.
"He is deeply affected by this, and he is taking this matter extremely seriously," he said. "And he felt it was his duty to go over and personally look into this situation, and personally talk to those marines in country to assure them that the highest standards of the corps are to be kept by every Marine, from private to general. He expects no less, nor do the people of this country."
General Michael Hagee According to a news release by his office, General Hagee will talk to the Marines in Iraq about "ideals, values and standards." In prepared remarks, he tells them that being a Marine means "having uncompromising personal integrity and being accountable for all actions." He says Marines must have "the moral courage to do the 'right thing' in the face of danger or pressure from other Marines." And the commandant says Marines must "use lethal force only when justified, proportional and, most importantly, lawful." He urges them not to allow the deaths of their friends in combat to make them "indifferent to the loss of a human life."
In the prepared remarks, General Hagee also acknowledges the difficulties of performing up to those ideas in battle, particularly when fighting an insurgency. But he plans to tell the Marines in Iraq that they have to do so anyway.
Bryan WhitmanThat view was echoed Thursday by Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman.
"We hold our service members to a very high standard, and we also ask them to perform their duties in a very tough, challenging environment," said Bryan Whitman. "The military, as a body, when those standards aren't met, takes it very seriously, aggressively and thoroughly investigates incidents of alleged misconduct, and when it finds somebody has done something wrong, they take action."
All the officials who spoke Thursday stressed that the vast majority of the approximately one million U.S. troops who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan in recent years have lived up to the standards of honor and conduct the military demands. But they say if wrongdoing is proved, action will be taken to punish those responsible, and to try to ensure such conduct is not repeated by others.



















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From the stories of several war resistors living in Canada that I have personally listended to, civilian directed violence where as common as unexploded cluster bombs laying around for kids to play with. (which where plentiful!)
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From the stories of several war resistors living in Canada that I have personally listended to, civilian directed violence where as common as unexploded cluster bombs laying around for kids to play with. (which where plentiful!)
They aren't gonna get much help from the new neocon gov't in can.

The "Deserters" that is.
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I was watching CNN today and was shocked at what i was seeing, a young girl telling the story of us marines coming into her family's house murdering her whole family. She survived her gun shot wounds.
Apparently these marines went on a rampage after a road side bomb killed one of them and wounded another. I'm not gonna go into any detail because the whole thing dusgusts me.
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I was watching CNN today and was shocked at what i was seeing, a young girl telling the story of us marines coming into her family's house murdering her whole family. She survived her gun shot wounds.
Apparently these marines went on a rampage after a road side bomb killed one of them and wounded another. I'm not gonna go into any detail because the whole thing dusgusts me.

yea.. i saw that to, The americans need to get the fuck out of the country, to many innocent people dying for no reason, they are just making it worse
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To see the look's on those children's faces talking about they're parent's being murdered by American soldiers right in front of them is heart breaking.
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I'm totally amazed this is on the mainstream.

They just can't keep the truth hidden anymore with the internet.

America's fucked up.
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No doubt it was alot easier in the 60's for the American government to cover up the the war crimes that were being commited in Vietnam.
I wouldn't be surprised if more stories like this one started to surface. I don't know how another human being can do such a thing.
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I have 2 words for you, Karl Rove. Few people realize how brilliant, vicious, and efficient he is. If you want some really interesting reading check out this article from AM. This guy has literally crushed political opponents so badly that they have lost their career's and family's.





http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200411/green
Heh, I know about Rove.. the man is evil personified.

Thanks for the article though.
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No doubt it was alot easier in the 60's for the American government to cover up the the war crimes that were being commited in Vietnam.
I wouldn't be surprised if more stories like this one started to surface. I don't know how another human being can do such a thing.
they are not human, they have no soul
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I was watching CNN today and was shocked at what i was seeing, a young girl telling the story of us marines coming into her family's house murdering her whole family. She survived her gun shot wounds.
Apparently these marines went on a rampage after a road side bomb killed one of them and wounded another. I'm not gonna go into any detail because the whole thing dusgusts me.
This is why NOT to join the army. The army exists to kill people, some inocent and some not, but regardless you are expected to kill people. You will never be the same person after that experience.
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