Photos of Lebanon

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by Vitamin-X

When the Japanese attacked pearl harbour the Americans engaged on a 2 or 3 year full fledged campaign against them. Hundreds of thousands of Japanese died. Yet no one was calling that response Disproportiante.

When a nation's security is threatened it engages in whatever action it needs to. And for however long it takes.

I'd say the main difference between Hezbollah and the Israili's is that
the jews try to avoid civillian death, whereas killing civillians is the whole point for hezbollah.

Israeli air strike kills dozens of civilians

Last Updated Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:15:23 EDT

CBC News



At least 57 people, many of them women and children, were killed early Sunday in an Israeli air strike on the southern Lebanese town of Qana, Lebanese security officials said.

Hezbollah supporters, furious over Sunday's Israeli air strike in Qana, storm into the main UN building in Beirut. (Ben Curtis/Associated Press)

Those who died were inside a building that had collapsed. Video footage showed at least 20 bodies wrapped in white sheets at the scene.
Lebanese officials said the civilians killed had taken refuge in the basement of the building when bombs fell before dawn.


Israeli officials said the neighbourhood was targeted based on intelligence that Hezbollah fighters had used it to launch rockets at northern Israel, including 40 that landed earlier on Sunday.


They also said civilians were warned several days ago to leave Qana.
In 1996, Israeli shelling killed 102 people in Qana. Most of the victims were women and children in that incident, as well. They were taking refuge in a United Nations building during an earlier Israeli offensive against Hezbollah.


In response to the latest Israeli bombing raid, a crowd of men ransacked the main United Nations building in Beirut. Hezbollah supporters scaled fences, threw rocks and smashed windows before entering the ground floor of the building.

Rice cancels trip to Beirut


U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice cancelled a planned visit to Beirut on Sunday, hours after the air strike.


Rice told a press conference in Jerusalem that during a meeting with the Israeli defence minister, she reiterated the U.S. stance that Israel should be more careful in its targeting to minimize civilian casualties.


She said she is "deeply saddened by the terrible loss of innocent life," but insisted the United States was working hard to achieve a ceasefire.
"In the wake of the tragedy that the people of Lebanon are facing today, I have decided to postpone my trip to Beirut," Rice said. "In any case, my work today is here [in Israel]."


Lebanon's Prime Minister Fouad Siniora said he himself had requested that Rice not travel to the Lebanese capital in light of the Qana attack.
"There is no place at this sad moment for any discussions other than an immediate and unconditional ceasefire as well as international investigation of the Israeli massacres in Lebanon now," he told reporters.


Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert expressed "great sorrow" for the airstrikes but said Hezbollah was to blame for using the area to attack Israel.
Rice is making her second trip to the Middle East since the crisis began two and a half weeks ago. Among the items Rice is seeking is an international agreement on a UN-mandated multinational force that offcials hope will provide stability in the region.




/////Yeah, Israel cares soooooooo much. :285:

[DJ Ponz]

^^^ Yep, and Hezbola is so much better... Both are shortsighted and bloodthirsty.

These images remind me of Anti-abortion murals. Equally, their use for shock value is ethically questionable.

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by DJ Ponz

^^^ Yep, and Hezbola is so much better... Both are shortsighted and bloodthirsty.

These images remind me of Anti-abortion murals. Equally, their use for shock value is ethically questionable.

hezbollah offered a ceasefire twice now.

israel rejected it, twice now.

Who is more blood/land thirsty ?

The images are not for shock value, it's not a marilyn manson concert.

Those are images you don't see on the tv.

Hezbollah doesn't own 90% of us/canadian media.

If you don't know who does, you don't know much.

[DJ Ponz]

Originally Posted by 3507321C

hezbollah offered a ceasefire twice now.
israel rejected it, twice now.Who is more blood/land thirsty?

Ceasefires have been offered on both sides. Both have given their ultimatims. Step back from your position a moment to see both sides.

The images are not for shock value, it's not a marilyn manson concert.Those are images you don't see on the tv. Hezbollah doesn't own 90% of us/canadian media. If you don't know who does, you don't know much

I don't see dead fetuses on TV either, but that has little to do who owns media. Some of that is far too graphic for the nightly news.

Bottom line is that this website's not been set up to provide objective documentation of the situation in the middle east. It has been created to discust people into believing that what Isreal is doing is wrong. If you think there's no political motivation behind these webpages, you don't know much. In the same way, pro-lifers use graphic pictures of the 'genocide of the unborn' to further their political ends. There's little point in denying that parallel.

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by DJ Ponz

Ceasefires have been offered on both sides. Both have given their ultimatims. Step back from your position a moment to see both sides.


I don't see dead fetuses on TV either, but that has little to do who owns media. Some of that is far too graphic for the nightly news.

Bottom line is that this website's not been set up to provide objective documentation of the situation in the middle east. It has been created to discust people into believing that what Isreal is doing is wrong. If you think there's no political motivation behind these webpages, you don't know much. In the same way, pro-lifers use graphic pictures of the 'genocide of the unborn' to further their political ends. There's little point in denying that parallel.

Thanks tips.

What Israel is doing/done is wrong.

Do you really want me to pull out the million mile long list of UN resolutions Israel has broken/US has vetoed.

Bottom line is, Israel is dragging the world into ww3 because of their religious fanaticism.

www.whatreallyhappened.com > msnbcnnbcbcbbc.....add infintum.

[clearist]

I hate to say it, but a warzone or war torn country is a photographers wet dream. No where else will you find the same combinations of colour, architectural structures, or atmospheres...etc.

[Vitamin-X]

Originally Posted by 3507321C

hezbollah offered a ceasefire twice now.

israel rejected it, twice now.

Who is more blood/land thirsty ?

The images are not for shock value, it's not a marilyn manson concert.

Those are images you don't see on the tv.

Hezbollah doesn't own 90% of us/canadian media.

If you don't know who does, you don't know much.

The Jews would be retarded if they allowed a ceasefire now.
A ceasefire would simply be used by Hezbollah to regroup and still be in striking postion of the northern jewish cities.

As for those pictures, anyone can see they're for propaganda purposes.
I won't even go into that.

As for the 90% media comment;
well now you're just sounding like a conspiracy nutcase.
I know a few wanabe skinheads and they're always saying that kind of thing.

Damn if you run out of hot water while you're in the shower -
-it must have been the jews!

[b0ld]

yep them photographers get MAD cash for those photo's..... so much so that they are willing to go to dangerous area's...... they don't give a fuck about the conflict or the people.... if they can exploit them then thats all that counts...

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by Vitamin-X

As for the 90% media comment;
well now you're just sounding like a conspiracy nutcase.
I know a few wanabe skinheads and they're always saying that kind of thing.

You seriously trying to argue the fact that Hollywood/TV/News isn't pro-Israeli ?

:285: x 1000000000000

Judeo-Christians run 100% of our media.

Do you even know who Izzy Asper is/was ?

Do you know what he did to Canadian media ?

Apparently not.

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by b0ld

yep them photographers get MAD cash for those photo's..... so much so that they are willing to go to dangerous area's...... they don't give a fuck about the conflict or the people.... if they can exploit them then thats all that counts...

That was pretty weak.

Lots of these journalists/photographers die to get the truth out that mainstream media covers up.

http://www.rachelcorrie.org/

http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/15082001/23.htm

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0415-07.htm

http://www.ifj.org/default.asp?index=3008&Language=EN

http://www.marchforjustice.com/id331.htm

If you want some real honest truth thats hard to swallow......

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/

[DJ Ponz]

Originally Posted by 3507321C

Thanks tips.
What Israel is doing/done is wrong.
Do you really want me to pull out the million mile long list of UN resolutions Israel has broken/US has vetoed.
Bottom line is, Israel is dragging the world into ww3 because of their religious fanaticism.

My point has obviously eluded you.

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by DJ Ponz

My point has obviously eluded you.

Your point is nil.

[djmarkpaul]

^^Atleast say Zionest Jews or financial elite Kazar Jews, as these unlearned souls think you are being "Anti-Semetic" otherwise...of course these days being Anti-Semetic only counts against the Jews and not the Arabs, no biased in our media there though...no sir.

[Atlantis77]

ive read alot of opinions about this matter on this site in the last few weeks. but seriously . . . some of the remarks made in this thread alone, made me sick.

[Skitzo_Style]

you are all wrong, and so is isreal and the hezbollah. how the fuck do you rationalize peace from retaliation?

the middle east is fucked. there i said it. FUCKED! nobody wants to be a part of the solution, they just want to kill each other over the fact that they believe "god wants us here in this land" what the fuck?!?!?!?

they have painted the portrait of there distruction (isreal and the rest of the middle east). if the hezbollah fail, there will always be some other group/country wanting back the land that the UN took from them and gave to the jews.

the middle east is fucked. they have dug themselves a hole they will never get out of, as much as i hate to say it.

[djmarkpaul]

Originally Posted by Skitzo_Style

you are all wrong, and so is isreal and the hezbollah. how the fuck do you rationalize peace from retaliation?

Only Sith deal in absolutes.

Originally Posted by Skitzo_Style

the middle east is fucked. there i said it. FUCKED! nobody wants to be a part of the solution, they just want to kill each other over the fact that they believe "god wants us here in this land" what the fuck?!?!?!?

Pretty much.... still doesn't stop Zionism from being a cancer that needs to be expunged from our society altogether though...but who cares lets rave and do some e *****!!!!!!!!1

[fable]

Originally Posted by Skitzo_Style

you are all wrong, and so is isreal and the hezbollah. how the fuck do you rationalize peace from retaliation?

the middle east is fucked. there i said it. FUCKED! nobody wants to be a part of the solution, they just want to kill each other over the fact that they believe "god wants us here in this land" what the fuck?!?!?!?

they have painted the portrait of there distruction (isreal and the rest of the middle east). if the hezbollah fail, there will always be some other group/country wanting back the land that the UN took from them and gave to the jews.

the middle east is fucked. they have dug themselves a hole they will never get out of, as much as i hate to say it.

Studying up on Zionism, what Israel really is, how Hezbollah was created, what environment they where created in, and who they actaully represent, as well as Hamaz and what Palestinians have faced in terms of STRUCTURAL oppression may give you a more informed foundation to build an opinion. Stay away from CNN and try not to base your assesments on the random quotes and blurbs shared through the mainstream media. If you have a strong foundation of knowledge of the history then you can formulate analysis of WHY the events today are happening and what they represent.

Its important to note that we as regular working class citizens in Canada have a lot more in common with groups like those that Hezbolla and Hamas represent and are entrenched within - even more so with Indigenous peoples, new immigrants and refugees.

People have commented on how Hezbolla and Hamas have hidden amongst civilians which in fact is a fallacy. Hezbollah and Hamas are INSTITUTIONALISED within the general populace/ they ARE the general populace and represent the front runners and most militant of said population. Just like groups such as the Westcoast Warriors, AIM, IROC, The Black Panthers, and Immigrant Farmers Unions here in Canada. Their actions however extreme or violent are almost expected in light of the objective conditions in the middle east over the last hundred years. If approach these issues through the eyes of pacifism or a simplistic idea that all violence is bad we ignore a whole lot of context. Although I have great respect for the likes of Gandhi, Martin Luther and the Civil rights movements they would not have accomplished half as much as they did without the militant wings of similair movements though parallel action that was preparared to do what was needed "by any means necessary."

PS: the world is indeed fucked, but we have the numbers and the ability to make significant change over the next several decades.

PPS: I dont want to get into a back and forth with you mate, so take what you want, or dont, I just wanted to offer some sincere suggestions for helping understand the violence and death that is going on, other than thinking its a battle between "extremists"

[Vitamin-X]

Dammit Fable, your posts are so long winded I'm aging just skimming them.

Seems to me that Lebanon has lost Sovereignty over its southern area.
When you loose sovereignty you either reclaim it immediately or your land is up for grabs.

Our Prime Minister knows this also, that's why he's building up our military prescence in the northern arctic ie patrolls, icebreakers, ect ect.

[fable]

Originally Posted by Vitamin-X

Dammit Fable, your posts are so long winded I'm aging just skimming them.

Seems to me that Lebanon has lost Sovereignty over its southern area.
When you loose sovereignty you either reclaim it immediately or your land is up for grabs.

Our Prime Minister knows this also, that's why he's building up our military prescence in the northern arctic ie patrolls, icebreakers, ect ect.

What exactly is "long winded" And what exactly is your relevent critisism. I suggested to Skitzo as well as others to look into the history of middle eastern conflict and connect with imperialist endevours through the years. Is that a negetive approach?

Your comment about Lebanon is solid, and I dont dispute it, but more importantly Israel took military action like they did when they reinvaded Gaza for the same reasons. When they go back to the "negotiating" table (i use "negotiating" very lightly) they want Hezbollah and Hamas on their knees. Why? Because they understand that these groups represent a growing trend of growing resistance movements that spring out of communities of "regular" people that have been historically oppressed. And such groups pose a major threat to their imperials supremacy.

Do me a favour and this discussion a favour and start making relevent critisisms that are specific. "Long winded" is a personal attack and doesnt mean shit. If you insist on personal attacks come do it in person, and we can hash things out, and hopefully then move onto constructive dialogue.

ez
shak

[Skitzo_Style]

Originally Posted by fable

Studying up on Zionism, what Israel really is, how Hezbollah was created, what environment they where created in, and who they actaully represent, as well as Hamaz and what Palestinians have faced in terms of STRUCTURAL oppression may give you a more informed foundation to build an opinion. Stay away from CNN and try not to base your assesments on the random quotes and blurbs shared through the mainstream media. If you have a strong foundation of knowledge of the history then you can formulate analysis of WHY the events today are happening and what they represent.

Its important to note that we as regular working class citizens in Canada have a lot more in common with groups like those that Hezbolla and Hamas represent and are entrenched within - even more so with Indigenous peoples, new immigrants and refugees.

People have commented on how Hezbolla and Hamas have hidden amongst civilians which in fact is a fallacy. Hezbollah and Hamas are INSTITUTIONALISED within the general populace/ they ARE the general populace and represent the front runners and most militant of said population. Just like groups such as the Westcoast Warriors, AIM, IROC, The Black Panthers, and Immigrant Farmers Unions here in Canada. Their actions however extreme or violent are almost expected in light of the objective conditions in the middle east over the last hundred years. If approach these issues through the eyes of pacifism or a simplistic idea that all violence is bad we ignore a whole lot of context. Although I have great respect for the likes of Gandhi, Martin Luther and the Civil rights movements they would not have accomplished half as much as they did without the militant wings of similair movements though parallel action that was preparared to do what was needed "by any means necessary."

PS: the world is indeed fucked, but we have the numbers and the ability to make significant change over the next several decades.

PPS: I dont want to get into a back and forth with you mate, so take what you want, or dont, I just wanted to offer some sincere suggestions for helping understand the violence and death that is going on, other than thinking its a battle between "extremists"

i never said that it was a battle between extremists, i said that no matter what happens there will always be someone attacking israel. period. the is no justification about it.

look, i understand that you have a lot of backgroup on this situation than i do, but the fact remains that no matter what, israel was created to give the jews a place to call their own after WW2 and the people that lost their land because of this are many of the same people isreal is at war with right now. as long as the jews occupy israel this conflict will never end.

[stephen_c]

Originally Posted by Skitzo_Style

-cut - but the fact remains that no matter what, israel was created to give the jews a place to call their own after WW2 and the people that lost their land because of this are many of the same people isreal is at war with right now. as long as the jews occupy israel this conflict will never end.

that's pretty much the truth.

[fable]

Originally Posted by Skitzo_Style

i never said that it was a battle between extremists, i said that no matter what happens there will always be someone attacking israel. period. the is no justification about it.

look, i understand that you have a lot of backgroup on this situation than i do, but the fact remains that no matter what, israel was created to give the jews a place to call their own after WW2 and the people that lost their land because of this are many of the same people isreal is at war with right now. as long as the jews occupy israel this conflict will never end.

I have absolutely, undeniably NO argument against your point bro. My background would not have helped me communicate what you just did in your last line any better! A sincere thanks and big ups for putting such a point across with clarity.

Now the challenge is to help people understand what the Zionist powers have actaully done to achieve their power, why, who it effects, how it is carried out, and what the realities are.

[Vitamin-X]

Originally Posted by fable

What exactly is "long winded" And what exactly is your relevent critisism. I suggested to Skitzo as well as others to look into the history of middle eastern conflict and connect with imperialist endevours through the years. Is that a negetive approach?

Your comment about Lebanon is solid, and I dont dispute it, but more importantly Israel took military action like they did when they reinvaded Gaza for the same reasons. When they go back to the "negotiating" table (i use "negotiating" very lightly) they want Hezbollah and Hamas on their knees. Why? Because they understand that these groups represent a growing trend of growing resistance movements that spring out of communities of "regular" people that have been historically oppressed. And such groups pose a major threat to their imperials supremacy.

Do me a favour and this discussion a favour and start making relevent critisisms that are specific. "Long winded" is a personal attack and doesnt mean shit. If you insist on personal attacks come do it in person, and we can hash things out, and hopefully then move onto constructive dialogue.

ez
shak

Long winded= "Personal attack" - Man, you are such a drama queen.
If you're going to trade barbs on a message board you might want to grow
a thicker skin.

[fable]

Originally Posted by Vitamin-X

Long winded= "Personal attack" - Man, you are such a drama queen.
If you're going to trade barbs on a message board you might want to grow
a thicker skin.

Drama queen? m
>misogynism and name calling

Trade barbs?
>immaturity and arrogance

Thick skin?
>Personal attack in this environment only relates to a penchance to shit talk versus making a politcal argument or point.

If you got more disses, then pm them to me, or send karma or email. This thread has had a lot of people get involved and make really good points and raise really important concerns.

[esoter1c]

Jewish/Christian Zionists want biblical borders.

The christian right has more zionists than judaism.

Neocons are zog incarnate.