Can you cure a cocaine addict?

[Ms.Tarantula]

Originally Posted by Courtney

what does that have to do with anything?
my family member was a crack addict and the only reason he stopped is because we didn't support him doing it.....you can't just let drug use fly or the person will never see the need to stop

ignorant.

reminder: you and I don't NEED to agree on this and since it looks like we aren't going to.... I digress.

but basically, i still say fuck off. not you, but the ideas you are putting forth in general. Hearing that story about your family member quitting because the rest of the fam didn't support it.. is a great story. good on your family member. but in reality, addiction grips most people a lot stronger then others. just look at the downtown east side. You think their family members approve? NO. do you think they LIKE that lifesyle? NO. doesn't mean they can stop that easily. it's all circumstantial.

anyways, sorry. I meant to digress. doing it now.

[Courtney]

I agree with you on what you're saying i'm not saying thats why he stopped im saying it may have made a difference and if we had condoned him doing it there would have been no reason for him to even think of stopping

[Courtney]

ps my family member has been an on again off again addict for about 20 years so trust me I KNOW how strong addiciton can be thanks

[Ms.Tarantula]

Originally Posted by Courtney

I agree with you on what you're saying i'm not saying thats why he stopped im saying it may have made a difference and if we had condoned him doing it there would have been no reason for him to even think of stopping

I never once said condone it. Where did you get that from?

[Ms.Tarantula]

Originally Posted by Courtney

ps my family member has been an on again off again addict for about 20 years so trust me I KNOW how strong addiciton can be thanks

You may have SEEN but if you haven't FELT... you can't relate in the same way. It's a whole other ball game.

for sure you can relate from your point of view, which is why I said obviously we aren't going to see eye to eye on this.

fuck why am I still posting.

I DIGRESS FOR REAL THIS TIME, GUYS.

[Only_Glory]

lets hush and make out.


ms tarantula, questions for you, and for all the ex "junkies" out there.

1) is really hitting the rock bottom the only way out of this addiction? and

2) descripe the "rock bottom" in your situation. some rock bottoms are worse than others. I want to hear what happened during yours.

[Courtney]

Originally Posted by Ms.Tarantula

ignorant.

reminder: you and I don't NEED to agree on this and since it looks like we aren't going to.... I digress.

but basically, i still say fuck off. not you, but the ideas you are putting forth in general. Hearing that story about your family member quitting because the rest of the fam didn't support it.. is a great story. good on your family member. but in reality, addiction grips most people a lot stronger then others. just look at the downtown east side. You think their family members approve? NO. do you think they LIKE that lifesyle? NO. doesn't mean they can stop that easily. it's all circumstantial.

anyways, sorry. I meant to digress. doing it now.

how is what I said ignorant? I've not only experienced it first hand but learned in class that when someone is on drugs you shouldn't just let it go because this gives the signal that the abuse is ok

[baby-phat]

Originally Posted by miSsy_chriSsy

I'm finishing my University degree in September with my addictions certificate. This should be really interesting. I'll be working in Detox and Aboriginal centres in the Downtown East Side within a year. It's pretty heavy stuff, but honestly, I don't think anyone truly understands unless they've been there.

I've been seriously considering going to school to become a drug and addictions counsellor.. but the program I was looknig at is mighty pricey.

[baby-phat]

Originally Posted by Only_Glory

1) is really hitting the rock bottom the only way out of this addiction?

I can only speak from my own experience from when I was a drug addict (it was meth though, not coke or crack).. I was fortunate enough to never hit what I would call "rock bottom", but at the same time my life wasn't all "peaches n cream" at that time either..
Me and my boyfriend (at the time) got evicted, neither of us had real jobs or an income, etc. So the only option I/we had was to move into his moms house way out in Sooke, but we were only allowed to do that if we agreed to stop using. So we did, and since we were living in Sooke we cut ties to almost everyone we used to hang out with and didn't go out much for several months. That was over 3 years ago, and I've never looked back. :)

[liquidblue]

holy fuck this thread got all hot and bothered since I was in here last.

This is clearly a personal issue with some of you! Without question some of you understand this issue very well because of experience.

I have experience witnessing addiction, but not experiencing it myself first hand. Still I think that addicts can benefit from help from others. I still stick to my previous point that it takes an addicts own self motivation to change. But I think its important for people to try to help. Even if it doesn't change the addict directly it is still a net of hope that exists. And whether or not you think that makes any difference or not is irrelevant- it does. If no one gave a shit about the addict, and there was absolutely no hope in hell for them, they would have zero motivation to pull themselves out of the hole.

If you ask most of the people dt, Id be willing to bet most of them would tell you that no one gives a fuck that they are there. No one really tries to help them. What motivation do they have if everyone has given up on them? They dont. So dont say that you should just let the addict do what ever they hell they want. If you give up on them they have that much more reason to go farther and farther down.

[Ms.Tarantula]

Originally Posted by Only_Glory

lets hush and make out.


ms tarantula, questions for you, and for all the ex "junkies" out there.

1) is really hitting the rock bottom the only way out of this addiction? and

2) descripe the "rock bottom" in your situation. some rock bottoms are worse than others. I want to hear what happened during yours.

With blow... yes I hit rock bottom.
In my situation that meant I overdosed & died.

[Only_Glory]

if you overdosed and died, you got a second chance,
I don't understand why you are so angry?

[Ms.Tarantula]

I'm not angry.

I find it really hard to sit back and listen to people say things about what needs to be done to help addicts get better when they don't know shit all about it from an addicts perspective, though. (this is not directed at anyone, I mean in general)

But no, I'm not angry at all.

[esoter1c]

Hi, I'm Blake, I've had a coke problem since a very young age.

I think I started when I was about 6, all the other kids were drinking it and it just looked like so much fun.

By the time I was 13 I was stealing cars and doing B&E's to support my 6litre a day habit.

I lost all my best friends to coke, my family disowned me after I left rehab, my gf od'd right in front of me after drinking 3 coke slurpees on a really hot day in july '94.

I was on the street selling my body to Japanese businessmen by 15.

@ 16 I learned I had HIV, this only made me turn to coke even more.

It was the only way to kill the pain and memories.

A lot of people think that Pepsi is better, not as addicting or harmful.

I got on the gov't sponsored Pepsi program at 18.

I'm still on it and don't think I will ever be truly clean.

Please don't laugh, coke is no joke.

[laska]

I was a junkie. For real. I detoxed 4 times and finally got off it. I still think about it all the time. The thing with narcotics is you will NEVER forget how they feel. Once you've felt something so euphoric, so close to heaven, you'll never forget it's out there and your life will never be the same.

I think that's what makes it so hard to quit.

[zarlon]

hmm, i love how so many people came in here to be completely negative and say how they "know the most about addiction".

well, try this one on for size. addiction is something different to every addict. HOW ABOUT THAT HUH. maybe the point is to be understanding?

just a few thoughts! (thoughts being something i know aren't really welcomed on this forum anymore, though)

[P.A.R.T.Y]

Originally Posted by Ms.Tarantula

I love that I don't have to read whatever she just posted.

I know exactly how you feel. We have a clubvibes spy in our house!

[Ms.Tarantula]

Originally Posted by F*r*a*

You think too much of your opinions.

It doesnt fuckin matter how much you do or do not know about addiction , its the idea of helping someone get out of a situation that isn't healthy. You don't need to know about addiction to know how to help someone. You need to know how to be supportive and encouraging.
Every addict is different and each scenario is unique and some are worse than others. But to sit there and say that it bothers you to hear how someone wants to help REGARDLESS of whether they know about addiction or not , shows what kind of a person you are.

If anything , you're the last person I would want giving advice to an addict. You'd probably tell them to kill themselves with the way you voice yourself on here.

for someone who claims that they don't go out of their way to start shit on the board... you sure do like to lash out at people who are ignoring you entirely.

I DO think too much of my own opinion and its cause I'm stubborn as fuck and I believe in my own morals/ ethics/ ideas/ opinions/ beliefs and everything else I stand for more then yours. I wouldn't have it any other way. so you can step the fuck off and realize that I never want to interact with you about anything... ever.

basically, I win.

[Courtney]

MS.Tarantula.....
I have a question for you if you don't mind...
I have always wanted to ask how DOES it feel? having that guilt yet being overcome with the need to do drugs? As an addict, what do you think seperates you from another who is able to stop before crossing that line? Do you beleive it is just something beyond your control that you inhereted? or do you believe at that point in your life everything had built up to a point that you needed a way out? and do you still struggle with the want of drugs on a regular basis?

[esoter1c]

[Speechless]

Cat fight, I'll bring the hose.

[Ms.Tarantula]

Originally Posted by Courtney

MS.Tarantula.....
I have a question for you if you don't mind...
I have always wanted to ask how DOES it feel? having that guilt yet being overcome with the need to do drugs? As an addict, what do you think seperates you from another who is able to stop before crossing that line? Do you beleive it is just something beyond your control that you inhereted? or do you believe at that point in your life everything had built up to a point that you needed a way out? and do you still struggle with the want of drugs on a regular basis?

I don't have any problem with talking about this kind of thing but it's getting too in-depth and personal for the public forum. My answer will be sent in a PM to you.

[Ms.Tarantula]

Originally Posted by esoter1c

that might be the best one I've seen yet!! :nuts: