New Left Snowed by the State

[jenai]

I also suspect CSIS is monitoring New Left university students associated with Students for a Democratic Society, and feeding false information to the RCMP, considering that the two RCMP officers for UBC called VPD, and RCMP from Burnaby, Richmond and Surrey to the Knoll Aid 2.0 concert back in April or May just to attend a bonfire at Trek Park with the VFD. In addition, campus security never communicated with the organizer, even tho they were aware of the concert a month before. Neither did the UBC RCMP. Why? Well, the internal rule within police is New Left are Commies, therefore it's ok not to communicate with them and treat them like second class citizens.

Hence the UBC 19 lawsuit. Lack of communication is not on the part of the New Left but on the State due to CSIS's campaign of misinformation. The cops showed up and NONE of them talked to the organizer. Instead, VFD just sprayed her when she tried to establish communication. That is assault.

Police being representatives of the state are notoriously anti-Communist even when it has been proven that the New Left is not the actually threat to the community.

Criminal activity is grossly totalitarian, and is right-wing and militant in nature. It is the biggest threat to community, not Commies.

[Goat]

Are you for real?

[jenai]

yes, criminal activity is a form of domestic terrorism.

it also threatens national security since a gang could easily make ties with a foreign power to sell them a commodity illegally for profit that could threaten another country's people.

one such commodity are illegal drugs.

in effect, the opium wars in china was a form of terrorism practised by the British Empire to make it easier to pillage China.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by jenai

I also suspect CSIS is monitoring New Left university students associated with Students for a Democratic Society, and feeding false information to the RCMP, considering that the two RCMP officers for UBC called VPD, and RCMP from Burnaby, Richmond and Surrey to the Knoll Aid 2.0 concert back in April or May just to attend a bonfire at Trek Park with the VFD. In addition, campus security never communicated with the organizer, even tho they were aware of the concert a month before. Neither did the UBC RCMP. Why? Well, the internal rule within police is New Left are Commies, therefore it's ok not to communicate with them and treat them like second class citizens.

Hence the UBC 19 lawsuit. Lack of communication is not on the part of the New Left but on the State due to CSIS's campaign of misinformation. The cops showed up and NONE of them talked to the organizer. Instead, VFD just sprayed her when she tried to establish communication. That is assault.

Police being representatives of the state are notoriously anti-Communist even when it has been proven that the New Left is not the actually threat to the community.

Criminal activity is grossly totalitarian, and is right-wing and militant in nature. It is the biggest threat to community, not Commies.

some guy gets arrested for trying to stop the police from putting out a bonfire and it becomes a conspiracy against communism?

[DefJef]

"....Jenai?"

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by jenai

yes, criminal activity is a form of domestic terrorism.

it also threatens national security since a gang could easily make ties with a foreign power to sell them a commodity illegally for profit that could threaten another country's people.

one such commodity are illegal drugs.

in effect, the opium wars in china was a form of terrorism practised by the British Empire to make it easier to pillage China.

I always enjoy the convoluted connection people use to make the police putting out a huge illegal bonfire on crown land into a terrorist attack against the country's citizens.

I think that you forgot to mention that the innocent women who was just trying to open communication was doing this while screaming at firefighters and blocking the firehose to put out the fire. Not the innocence you described...

PS- I doubt CSIS cares at all about 100 kids protesting real estate development. I'm sure the students wish they cared, but they most likely didn't.

[NinjaBoy]

Interesting editorial for people interested:
Making a mountain out of a knoll hill : Macleans OnCampus

[jenai]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

some guy gets arrested for trying to stop the police from putting out a bonfire and it becomes a conspiracy against communism?

um no, you need to do your homework. try looking for info on facebook.

the UBC 19 incident confirms that the RCMP is a paramilitary organization defending American political interests using Ottawa as its proxy.

yet they only object to loss of life by gangs, which are tools of the far right.

totalitarianism is a given in areas of cities controlled by gangs.

but communism as we know it is a red herring cos even in communist countries like china, their control of the people is totalitarian and indicates that gangsterism is rife and criminals work with the government to control the people.

the leaders may spot communist rhetoric but they wield their power in a right-wing fashion.

in actual communism, there is no totalitarianism because power is actually in the hands of the proletarians. however, that's far from being democratic.

i mean, if we ran the country like we ran a family, then it'd still be a dictatorship. If the kids run the show, then it's a dictatorship of the people. if the parents run it, then it could be either benign if no one is harmed or malignant if people are injured or killed.

yet totalitarianism aint concerned about right or left, but about absolute power.

[jenai]

here's the facebook group that clues you in about what i have been ranting about: WE CONDEMN the VIOLENCE of the RCMP, VPD, and VFD at the UBC TREK PARK | Facebook

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

I always enjoy the convoluted connection people use to make the police putting out a huge illegal bonfire on crown land into a terrorist attack against the country's citizens.

I think that you forgot to mention that the innocent women who was just trying to open communication was doing this while screaming at firefighters and blocking the firehose to put out the fire. Not the innocence you described...

PS- I doubt CSIS cares at all about 100 kids protesting real estate development. I'm sure the students wish they cared, but they most likely didn't.

most of the students dont give a fuck. ubc is like a prison you get out and you move on. these protestors say there was no consultation, thats a lie they asked my class all about it. the general response was ill be outta here in a few years so who gives a fuck. by the time everything is done the people protesting will have moved on to tending there dreads and going to dubstep parties.

[SEAN!]

jenai, i was there, walking to my night class.


get yo doc to up the scrip

[jenai]

actually the cops overreacted, again.

they talked to no one. they got intimidated by the crowd and grabbed anyone within reach who got too close to the action.

thus nobody saw the assaults being done to the 19 students arrested since observers were 50 feet away and it was dark out.

the cops booted people in the ass to get them up. one cop also laughed at an upset student and assaulted her.

[Goat]

Originally Posted by jenai

here's the facebook group that clues you in about what i have been ranting about: WE CONDEMN the VIOLENCE of the RCMP, VPD, and VFD at the UBC TREK PARK | Facebook

Your video is bunk.

1. you need a permit to have a fire greater then 1 meter wide and 1 meter high. I didn't see a means to extinguish that fire if it got out of control.

2. 100 people vs a dozen emergency service personal which theoretically could become violent. Put yourself in their shoes.

3.Protesters did look rowdy, ie: said "victim" that was being "pushed towards" a curb. (a 1 foot drop of elevation isn't a dangerous obstacle)

4. Be thankful the crowd was disposed with a hose, it's about as non-violent as you can get while still giving the impression they mean business.

5. Cops aren't out their to fuck you. I'd even go as far to say that most of them are pretty lenient towards minor transgressions.

Ubc was probably the ones who called the cops. Most places of business don't appreciate people setting fire to their property.


Pull your head out of your ass

[Goat]

what?

[stephen_c]

Originally Posted by Goat

what?

get with the program.
TLDR



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[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by jenai

actually the cops overreacted, again.

they talked to no one. they got intimidated by the crowd and grabbed anyone within reach who got too close to the action.

thus nobody saw the assaults being done to the 19 students arrested since observers were 50 feet away and it was dark out.

the cops booted people in the ass to get them up. one cop also laughed at an upset student and assaulted her.

it was around 6pm and light out, and there were plenty of people around.

being insane must be like being an artist without any effort, you come up with crazy shit without even putting effort into it.

[jenai]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

it was around 6pm and light out, and there were plenty of people around.

being insane must be like being an artist without any effort, you come up with crazy shit without even putting effort into it.

just like your ad hominem attack takes no brainpower.

[NinjaBoy]

I enjoy the fact that Sean witnessed this, and your basing your opinion off of the video uploaded by the "victims" on facebook.

As far as it goes, sean is neutral to this (witnessed the incident, didn't participate on either side). Where you are biased (you've only been doing your research on sites posted by people on one side of the arguement.

[jenai]

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

I enjoy the fact that Sean witnessed this, and your basing your opinion off of the video uploaded by the "victims" on facebook.

As far as it goes, sean is neutral to this (witnessed the incident, didn't participate on either side). Where you are biased (you've only been doing your research on sites posted by people on one side of the arguement.

i dunno, witnessing this after dark at 50 feet isn't the same as experiencing the 2 hours of ass kicking and assaults cops are allowed to use to facilitate compliance.

most of the camera work shows that sunset had taken place after 8 pm.

much of what you think you can see at that time isn't under optimum light conditions, so you will miss anything occurring 50 feet away from you.

just because Sean did not see the assaults take place does not mean the 19 people being assaulted weren't experiencing it.

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by jenai

i dunno, witnessing this after dark at 50 feet isn't the same as experiencing the 2 hours of ass kicking and assaults cops are allowed to use to facilitate compliance.

most of the camera work shows that sunset had taken place after 8 pm.

much of what you think you can see at that time isn't under optimum light conditions, so you will miss anything occurring 50 feet away from you.

just because Sean did not see the assaults take place does not mean the 19 people being assaulted weren't experiencing it.

But, as someone who:

A- Goes to school there
B- Was there
C- Has seen the subject of the protest

he's more credible then someone who's research and arguement is "check out the facebook group the people who got arrested started, it's totally true and netural."

Here's the facts:

- 100 people protested, the redevelopment of a grassy knoll.
- Popular opinion through polls at the school basically say "who the fuck cares"
- They started a large bonfire on private property
- When the fire department tried to put it out the protesters stopped them (it doesn't matter if this was violent, or simply them blocking the fire hose, it's keeping an emergency response worker from doing their duty)
- Police were called in to deal with what appeared to be a violent group (100 people chanting, buring a large fire, keeping firefighters from doing their job)
- People were arrested.

Sure you can say that maybe the police over reacted. But they did there job. What the protesters were doing was illegal.

If 100 people were on your lawn, burning a large fire and preventing firefighters from putting it out, you would probably panic.

And also for your orginal post:

-Why would CSIS care? What proof do you have, none. CSIS is an international intelligence agency. They do not care about 100 rich kids in university protesting the redevelopment of 30 meters of grass.

-You claim that they just pepper sprayed the woman without trying to talk to her. But according to reports from the fire department, witnesses etc. She was blocking the firehose for almost an hour.

Here's what happened. Rich kids looking for something to protest, protest. They light a large fire, refuse to allow firefighters to put it out. Police come. They refuse to leave. This is a firehazard that effects a large population. They forcefully remove the people preventing the fire from being put out.

They arrest the person responsible, the protesters refuse to let the car leave. Which results in the police enforcing the law, by force if nessesary (do you really think the cops are going to sit there for 12 hours not take away the person who broke the law?).

[jenai]

sean also pointed out the apathy common in post secondary institutions.

this is why sporting events and concerts at tbird stadium are beer soaked; it's easier to control them with beer and loud music.

if campus security was that intimidated that they called police, and the police backup from outlying regions, then they really don't have much experience with large crowds of people, some of whom are drunk but not intoxicated.

[jenai]

you missed the guy in the car who was pulled out of an interview with a local news crew and arrested, who was not blocking a fire hydrant.

this is why the students blockaded the police car.

you also missed the guy who was walking his bicycle too close to the cops, and got dragged into an arrest when he only showed up there to observe it.

you also ignored the random grabbing of people in an arbitrary manner when they didn't move back quickly enough to satisfy the supervisor.

i bet if i was 50 feet away from this, recording it on my BlackBerry, that the cops would still grab me.

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

But, as someone who:

A- Goes to school there
B- Was there
C- Has seen the subject of the protest

he's more credible then someone who's research and arguement is "check out the facebook group the people who got arrested started, it's totally true and netural."

Here's the facts:

- 100 people protested, the redevelopment of a grassy knoll.
- Popular opinion through polls at the school basically say "who the fuck cares"
- They started a large bonfire on private property
- When the fire department tried to put it out the protesters stopped them (it doesn't matter if this was violent, or simply them blocking the fire hose, it's keeping an emergency response worker from doing their duty)
- Police were called in to deal with what appeared to be a violent group (100 people chanting, buring a large fire, keeping firefighters from doing their job)
- People were arrested.

Sure you can say that maybe the police over reacted. But they did there job. What the protesters were doing was illegal.

If 100 people were on your lawn, burning a large fire and preventing firefighters from putting it out, you would probably panic.

And also for your orginal post:

-Why would CSIS care? What proof do you have, none. CSIS is an international intelligence agency. They do not care about 100 rich kids in university protesting the redevelopment of 30 meters of grass.

-You claim that they just pepper sprayed the woman without trying to talk to her. But according to reports from the fire department, witnesses etc. She was blocking the firehose for almost an hour.

Here's what happened. Rich kids looking for something to protest, protest. They light a large fire, refuse to allow firefighters to put it out. Police come. They refuse to leave. This is a firehazard that effects a large population. They forcefully remove the people preventing the fire from being put out.

They arrest the person responsible, the protesters refuse to let the car leave. Which results in the police enforcing the law, by force if nessesary (do you really think the cops are going to sit there for 12 hours not take away the person who broke the law?).

[jenai]

as for the woman sprayed with the fire hose and then taken down - no pepper spray - she was forced to hold her breath for up to 2 minutes because the cop wouldn't let her up after cuffing her.

she had spent the time prior to that trying to talk to firemen and police, but everyone ignored her.

as well, trek park is not private property. the UBC president had given ok for it to be protest space earlier this year. this means it is common area and public space not unlike Crown land but unlike it in that some guy with no political power gave his okay but no ratification was passed to legalize it.

i think proof that it must be public space is evidenced by the vandalism done there, which is condoned and even done by certain members of the student body i.e the frat boy, beer swillers that need to be beer soaked and assaulted by rock music into submission at concerts at tbird stadium.

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by jenai

i think proof that it must be public space is evidenced by the vandalism done there, which is condoned and even done by certain members of the student body i.e the frat boy, beer swillers that need to be beer soaked and assaulted by rock music into submission at concerts at tbird stadium.

Alright, it's public land. Which is even more illegal to set fire too. Thanks for clarifying.

Still, can you answer me why CSIS is involved? Or how this involves anyone other then the RCMP.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by jenai

sean also pointed out the apathy common in post secondary institutions.

this is why sporting events and concerts at tbird stadium are beer soaked; it's easier to control them with beer and loud music.

if campus security was that intimidated that they called police, and the police backup from outlying regions, then they really don't have much experience with large crowds of people, some of whom are drunk but not intoxicated.

campus security does not have the mandate to physically remove people, the police do, the police station is also only about 500-600
metres away from where this took place. campus security also doesn't have the manpower to stop 100 people from doing anything.


the beer soaked thing, i think that has more to do with the fact that most fulltime college kids are functional alcoholics they have few real responsibilitie and no concept of the real world which is also why they protest about stupid shit. also how can you be drunk and not intoxicated at the same time.

i just can't get over how fucked up you are.