S.a.d/c.d./o.c.d

[Discord]

Social anxiety Disorder
Clinical depression
Obsessive-compulsive disorder


:284: apparetly i have these things.... I know about the s.a.d. already.. but O.C.D and C.D. are new


sigh.



D.R's can be ass holes some times.

anyone else have NON drug typs to dealing with this?

[cinist]

they just want to sell you prescriptions

[djmarkpaul]

Don't let yourself get institutionalized yo, maybe there are good reasons for you to feel crumby sometimes. These emotions we have, good or bad, are all part of being human (it's how you deal with them that makes the diff). Chances are that if left to your own devices you can find a fairly natural way to deal with it and without the quick fix of a wonder drug.

If you want to indigest stuff to make you feel better I'd look into herbs like Red Raspberry, Black Cohosh, White Willow, Dong Quai, Capiscum, Passion Flower, Ginger, Licorice, and Blessed Thistle.

Mother nature is the best doctor IMO.

[junglequeen]

dont believe everything they say
they are always looking for ways to make you different
in reality alot of people have slight mood/mental discrepancy

research it your self before you take all of their drugs

im bipolar and i have borderline personality disorder apparently

[Discord]

There is maga history of OCD and CD in my family

I know, im a naturlist, thats why i don't take pills anymore

the only medcation from the DR i let myself use is for my Roasha.


I've found something that works. (kava)

[Bevvy Swift]

Doctors suck man. i was told i have add and that i'd have to try really hard in school to succeed but i smoke veryday and do no homework and i'm getting an 83% average. I was told in grade 7 that i had "osgood schlater's disease" (which is not actually a disease, it's an overproduction of cartelidge in the knee joint which then turns to bone), and i was told i could not play soccer anymore, and a whole bunch of other bullcrap, but i played soccer every day anyways and i can still play soccer. fuck what doctors have to say, they jkust want to sell you shit. the only problems you have are the ones that you think you have. you are your own father.

[inkster]

just because a substance is 'natural' doesn't mean that it's any better than a manufactured drug. if anything the harms are greater since there's no real quality standards, nor longterm heath effects known.

[Discord]

once i took pills the DR gave me for my roshasha

i went compleatly insane, to the point where I was a few days away from admitting myself.

i found out later, after i weaned myself of them, i found out 7 kids had killed themselves after a month of taking them

so, there you go. DR's pills are much more new and untested then herbs that have been used to treat sicknesses for thousands of years.

[Bevvy Swift]

hol y shit! close one!

[djmarkpaul]

Originally posted by inkster
just because a substance is 'natural' doesn't mean that it's any better than a manufactured drug. if anything the harms are greater since there's no real quality standards, nor longterm heath effects known.

Well there has been extensive research done on the herbs I listed to prove otherwise, but thanks for coming out hosehead!

:moon:

[Rytalin]

Originally posted by inkster
just because a substance is 'natural' doesn't mean that it's any better than a manufactured drug. if anything the harms are greater since there's no real quality standards, nor longterm heath effects known.

dude

plants have been around + used WAAY longer than pharmaceuticals.

This is true that there are pretty harmful plants out there... I don't think I'd want to try poison ivy tea... but the shit we whip up in pharm labs we know NOTHING about as far as long term effects.

Plants in general are time proven.

take for instance psilocybin mushrooms.

humans have eaten those things forever. If there was any major longterm health risks, people would have gradually figured it out over a few generations and the substance wouldn't have been used NEARLY as much.


Plants we discover.
Chemicals we make.

Chemicals can do some things at an intensity that plants only ever dreampt of, but they are also synthesized by a species known for its self destructive and dominating tendencies.

It's a belief of mine that the molecular structure of a substance can be effected quite a bit by the intentions of the people making it. (more than a belief of mine actually.... its part of quantum physics)

Since we make pharmaceuticals from scratch pretty much, that gives our intentions(consious as well as subconcious) alot more control over the end product.


time to stop this ramble.
you get my point.

Plants = tried and true, if a bit dated
pharms = alot more potent, but unpredictable

[beat_farmer]

If someone knows a good way to combat o.c.d let me know cause i have this. Its hereditary apparently, my mom and brother have it too...........and it can basically ruin your life when it gets real bad. Thank god i dont have soem of the messed up traits like obsessive hand washing though.



B//F

[baby_bluez]

exercise and tanning.

tanning helps knock the s.a.d
exercise helps get rid of c.d and o.c.d
I suffer from s.a.d and o.c.d exersise helped with the o.c.d and tanning helped with s.a.d a greeeeat deal. If you are into the white skin thing... just use a sunlamp it wont make you tan it will just restore vitamin D levels in your body.

[zarlon]

So Luke, you're saying that humans are intellegent enough to stop using something once they figure out it does damage to them?

*rolls eyes*

Right...

[Joanne]

discord: ask your doctor to refer you to a CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST (ie. not a psychiatrist). perhaps he or she can find some better therapeutic, non-drug related help, for example cognitive behavioral techniques.

as for cures for ocd, I've heard the lifetime prevalence is pretty high up there... however, I was just reading something about a therapeutic technique called "flooding". it's not something that's used too often, but what happens is the patient is exposed at full intensity to whatever it is that is at the core of their obsessive compulsion, while using relaxation techniques as a way to extinguish the obsession.

--Joanne :P

[ebbomega]

Around here there's a local pediatrician who seemingly tends to think that every single one of his patients is depressed and so he tries to get them on anti-d's. He even tried to nail me with it when I was a kid, but thankfully my parents are a bit wiser when it comes to drugs (Joy of having a doctor father). Anyways, one thing you should really consider is whether or not it truly is screwing with your life. Because there's nothing wrong with being diagnosed with some mental disorder and still being able to live out your life. One of the problems people tend to have with the current psychological diagnostics (I forget what it's called as it's been years since I've taken Psych... Joanne? ;-p ) is that there are so many differet disorders with such vague explanation that a substantial majority of the population of the world can be considered to be Mentally disordered under it.

So take a good look at yourself and ask whether or not you really think your life suffers as a result of mental imbalance. Then, yeah, as said, seek professional advice from someone who understands all factions of human psychology (Not JUST the medical)

[Goat]

wasn't it in Bowling For Columbine that they mentioned 1/5 or 1/10 americans had a mental health disorder? Not that it really matters, statistics are fucked and inaccurate plus everyones got mental shit to deal with on some level.

St Johns Wart is a natural anti-depressant. Check your local health food store. Anti-d's were and are something I need to keep the uber ups/downs in check. A couple side affects (Celexa) you may experience include: dizzyness, difficulty sleeping at first due to adjustment from seratonin boosts, anxiety may go up a little in stressfull situations at first, i find it takes longer to jerk off now too. All in all, nothing too intense.
An Interesting fact that you may not know, 90% of people using anti-d's only have to be treated once. If you decide to partake in this treatment, it's not forever, it lasts anywhere from 3months to a year and a half. Remember also, treating the physical side of it is only half the battle, following up with councilling or therapy ends the other half.
Being born with o.c.d. isn't that big of a deal. Have you heard of type a/b personalities? are you one of those people who takes great joy in a nice clean spotless house/ organized / driven in general? chances are you're a type a personality, someone who's driven, or obsessive compulsive. Find something that healthily benefits you and use that obsessive compulsive disorder to your advantage. Take up exercise, running, sports, school, reading, or something you love that will benefit you mentaly and physically. Being diagnosed with this is neither a benifactor or negative, it simply is. What you make out of it will define it.
As you start to battle the o.c.d and c.d. the s.a.d. will start to diminish as confidence and self worth grow from the seeds planted deep within to the beautiful infostructure of life that i know, and your subconcious if not concious thought knows, you do to. :)

It's a long hard mountain to climb with beyond numerous obsticles you'll work through along the way. It may seem insurmountable at first, looking up at that mountain and how scary it may seem, but mountains aren't climbed overnight, or in leaps and bounds, but one step at a time.
If you ever need someone to talk to about this sorta stuff, pm me or add me on msn ([email protected]), you're not alone and you have people behind you 100% of the way.

I believe in you.

-Max

[Joanne]

Originally posted by ebbomega
Anyways, one thing you should really consider is whether or not it truly is screwing with your life. Because there's nothing wrong with being diagnosed with some mental disorder and still being able to live out your life. One of the problems people tend to have with the current psychological diagnostics (I forget what it's called as it's been years since I've taken Psych... Joanne? ;-p ) is that there are so many differet disorders with such vague explanation that a substantial majority of the population of the world can be considered to be Mentally disordered under it.

I believe you're referring to the diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders IV (the most current edition)... and I do agree that some mental disorders are being diagnosed much to frequently. I remember having a lecture in abnormal psychology and my TA told us that if we were to take everything on the DSM-IV literally, we would pretty much be able to diagnose all adolescence and teenagers with a mental disorder!

and having a bit of psych background, I totally recommend seeing a psychologist with an eclectic background instead of just a psychiatrist or a doctor. an old prof of mine who also works as a clinical psychologist told me straight up that a lot of psychiatrist think they know about psychology, but they really don't.

and just a funny story to add.. my boyfriend wanted to drop a class, but it was past his registration date.. so I took out the trusty DSM-IV and looked up the criteria for social anxiety disorder and told him the symptoms. he later went to a doctor, faked these symptoms and got a doctor's note so he could drop the class due to his "social anxiety disorder".

:toasted:

--Joanne :P

[ebbomega]

Hey, if the system's broken and refuses to fix itself, why not exploit?

Wait... this sounds insanely like hax0r culture....

Frankly I think Psychology is inherently broken just in the way it approaches things (which is far too much an attempt at being a "science" so much that it kills all the usefulness of it). But I still say that explaining human behaviour is forever going to be hit with uncertainty in a heisenberg sense: As soon as we understand something of how the human mind works, it changes how we think of things, and as such we no longer know how it works....

It's a fickle fickle study. And unfortunately as such has garnered not much respect from the rest of the Scientific community....

[Bevvy Swift]

oh ask myles about the herbal seretonin pills he gets. he uses em to boost his seretonin so when he pops it juices him up bigtime, but they are meant to be "mood lightener" and they're completely natural and shit. ask him

[Joanne]

Originally posted by ebbomega
Frankly I think Psychology is inherently broken just in the way it approaches things (which is far too much an attempt at being a "science" so much that it kills all the usefulness of it). But I still say that explaining human behaviour is forever going to be hit with uncertainty in a heisenberg sense: As soon as we understand something of how the human mind works, it changes how we think of things, and as such we no longer know how it works....

but that's the thing.. I believe most clinical psychologists realize that the human phenomena can never be truly explained... but to gain some sort of respect and credibility in this westernized world (one that values scientific methods and objective measures), I think they have to back up whatever they're doing with some empirical evidence.

what I have a bigger problem with are psychiatrist and doctors who take reductionism a bit too seriously, thinking that these mental disorders can be reduced to simple cellular biology.

either way.. there are psychologists out there who use clinical techniques that actially do work, even though they're not quite sure why.

--Joanne :P