Attempted Rape...

[Ragga_Wh0re]

^thats why they have chemical castration.Read up on it.

outposted meant for billy shears

[Vitamin-X]

Originally Posted by charly

i dont' agree with the death penalty, but i'm a big fan of the idea of castration.

Casteration doesn't stop a lot of these people from molesting ect ect.
The sickness is in their head not just to do with their sex drive.
And by the term "sickness" I'm not saying they aren't responsible.
These kinds of people are fully sane. They just choose to try and satify their perverted desires.

[charly]

that's why there's both chemical and surgical castration. (which ragga_whore mentioned, and i completed agree that they should go together).

it's not an answer that's going to eliminate it, but it would limit the number of repeat offenders. that goes for both child molesters and rapists.

i wish there was a way to eliminate this problem completely. it's so sad. :( and there should be more help, but i doubt that will happen with this government. the mentally ill and women/children in trouble don't matter!

[project.one]

I say rapists should be given a make over and put in a dress then thrown in a maximum security prision, where all inmates are there for life, in the middle of the work out area while the gaurds all go for lunch!

Punishment to fit the crime!

[Billy Shears]

Originally Posted by Wood

^so being paralyzed from the neck down for the rest of your life is a just punishment for being a bully when you were a kid??

I'm not saying the paralysis is directly a just punishment for my friend getting picked on (although he did get beaten to a bloody pulp by this guy a few times). I didn't know this bully closely, but he obviously had aggression issues that he wasn't willing to work out after all the years of councelling thrown at him. Besides, my friend was one of many, and if you count the years he'd been doing it, add how much worse his behaviour got every year... You could definitely see a downwards spiral of violence and aggression going on with this guy. Yeah, he may have one day suddenly turned his life around for no reason, but maybe it was his karma to become physically disabled (thus making the paralysis the 'turning point'?) Anyway, he was paralyzed in an accident, so there was no real 'punishment' involved... but it sure seemed like one of those 'he got what was coming to him' moments.

edit - I would also like to point out that anyone I knew in highschool that remotely fit the profile of this bully guy (I say remotely because who really beats people up in grade 12? I mean seriously, aren't u a little old for that by then?) are now either in jail, have been in jail (for things like stabbing people in the back.. literally) or have beaten their women...

[rustybob]

Sorry, but some of your thoughts in this thread are just stupid. First things first though: to the girl this happened to, it's terrible that this happend to you, and hopefully in time all will be well.

To everyone else: your stupid. The thing about rape is, it's not an open and shut thing. The situation talked about in this thread, yes, that's rape. However, what if it's a situation where consentual sex gets reported as rape? Death still? Castration still? What about a female raping a guy? The problem you all have is that you have a narrow view of the world. Open your fucking eyes.

There's a reason why there's no death penalty for rape, and that's because it's so easy to lie about it. How would you all like to see your friend killed because he had a shitty lawyer? It wouldn't feel so good, would it?

[Vitamin-X]

^ And don't forget that someone who has been drinking can't consent to sex.
Just think about how many thousands of mutual rapes go on every friday and Saturday night.

[charly]

^ that's why extreme things like that would usually be for REPEAT OFFENDERS. not first timers.

and no, it's not really a narrow view. no one here is saying that "OMG CASTRATION WILL STOP ALL RAPISTS!". no, it's not like that. it can vary so much in each situation, but why not take some steps to LOWER the number of times this happens? where is the harm in that?

when someone has been proven to do something multiple times, i think they bloody well deserve it.

what good is the attitude "well if can't eliminate it totally, let's just not do anything". that just does MORE harm.

[Billy Shears]

Originally Posted by rustybob

However, what if it's a situation where consentual sex gets reported as rape? Death still? Castration still? What about a female raping a guy? The problem you all have is that you have a narrow view of the world. Open your fucking eyes.

There's a reason why there's no death penalty for rape, and that's because it's so easy to lie about it. How would you all like to see your friend killed because he had a shitty lawyer? It wouldn't feel so good, would it?

That's what I meant in my first reply! Lots of guys get falsely accused. And in many cases guys get raped, and nothing happens (if u castrate male rapists, what do you do to female rapists? chastity belt?)

Another karma/rape related story...

This girl I know really wanted to have sex with some guy we went to school with, but he wasn't interested/didnt want to. So at this party, she's still trying to get with him, and he's still refusing. Eventually the guy gets drunk and passes out, only to wake up with said girl riding him cowgirl style! Straight up raped!

The joke was on her though, because she got clamydia from him! (seriously, no joke!)

[Ree Fresh]

What sadens me is this kind of thing is not rare. Ive had friends who were raped and I really dont know how they manage to continue. It's extreamly har dto deal with especialy when women can be so defensless against men. I have to agree that there are harsh enough punishments for things like this.

And what scares me even more are ppl who dont stop to help. At least call the cops if your too scared to help in person. Otherwise it just incurages criminals to do this kind of thing becuase they learn no one will do anything about it.

[Billy Shears]

Originally Posted by R Wellbelove

And what scares me even more are ppl who dont stop to help. At least call the cops if your too scared to help in person. Otherwise it just incurages criminals to do this kind of thing becuase they learn no one will do anything about it.

If everyone did their part, the world would be a better place (like recycling!)

I'm going to start keeping a 'rapist bat' in the trunk of my car, just in case :P

[rustybob]

Originally Posted by charly

^ that's why extreme things like that would usually be for REPEAT OFFENDERS. not first timers.

and no, it's not really a narrow view. no one here is saying that "OMG CASTRATION WILL STOP ALL RAPISTS!". no, it's not like that. it can vary so much in each situation, but why not take some steps to LOWER the number of times this happens? where is the harm in that?

when someone has been proven to do something multiple times, i think they bloody well deserve it.

what good is the attitude "well if can't eliminate it totally, let's just not do anything". that just does MORE harm.

Read through this thread, and you'll realize that there were a grand total of zero people who said that extreme punishment should be for repeat offenders. Everybody said "commit a crime (that you very well might not have committed), and get your dick chopped off or killed". Zero.

And again, rape is relative thing. I'd say a LOT of rape really wasn't. The case described in this thread is. She was taken down from behind, and had shit done that she didn't want to do. If someone gets drunk and takes chicks home and gets reported as "raping" these girls multiple times, does he deserve to die? Almost always they did consent "but they were drunk, so it's rape". There's a reason why the law is the way it is. Because if we did what everyone in this thread wants, there'd be a lot of innocent dead people.

Who's seen that South Park episode where all the kids tell the police "molestered" them because they were pissing them off, and they all go to jail? If we do what everyone in this thread wants, that's what would happen. Innocent people would be dead because of the lies of others.

[Toxxin Ephekt]

Shit like this is why I refuse to let my GF to ever take the bus anywhere... I'd rather waste 2 hours of my day to pick her up to and from work, just to make sure shes safe from sick fucks.

Sorry to hear about your friend.

[charly]

Originally Posted by rustybob

Read through this thread, and you'll realize that there were a grand total of zero people who said that extreme punishment should be for repeat offenders. Everybody said "commit a crime (that you very well might not have committed), and get your dick chopped off or killed". Zero.

And again, rape is relative thing. I'd say a LOT of rape really wasn't. The case described in this thread is. She was taken down from behind, and had shit done that she didn't want to do. If someone gets drunk and takes chicks home and gets reported as "raping" these girls multiple times, does he deserve to die? Almost always they did consent "but they were drunk, so it's rape". There's a reason why the law is the way it is. Because if we did what everyone in this thread wants, there'd be a lot of innocent dead people.

Who's seen that South Park episode where all the kids tell the police "molestered" them because they were pissing them off, and they all go to jail? If we do what everyone in this thread wants, that's what would happen. Innocent people would be dead because of the lies of others.

read my post again, and you'll see that i NEVER said that's what everyone in this thread is saying. i don't care what they're saying. if a system like that was implemented, it wouldn't be for first time offenders for that exact reason!

and a repeat offender is considered someone who has been caught multiple time. so if some guy brings two girls home and they later claim it's rape because they were drunk, he isn't a repeat offender.

if you read my post, you'd also see that i'm against the death penalty, so no they shouldn't die.

there's a reason the law is the way it is? so we like child molesters, rapists and murderers? because a hell of a lot of them are walking free, even after being proven guilty. to me, that says that the law needs a little ammending to prevent that sort of the thing. the law is there to protect people (both victims, and those accused), and when child molesters, rapists, murderers, car theives, abusers, etc are allowed to walk free, then obviously the law isn't fully doing what it was put there to do. (that being said, i understand it won't ever be perfect, and it'll never be instant. i'm not saying it will be. but they could be doing a lot more to protect people. even if it's just keeping those sick perverts in jail for longer!)

[Alex]

wow. That's absolutely fucked. That's lougheed highway. Hundreds of cars must have driven by. I can't believe no one pulled over to help.. that's nearly as sickening as it actually happening.

[rustybob]

Originally Posted by charly

read my post again, and you'll see that i NEVER said that's what everyone in this thread is saying. i don't care what they're saying. if a system like that was implemented, it wouldn't be for first time offenders for that exact reason!

and a repeat offender is considered someone who has been caught multiple time. so if some guy brings two girls home and they later claim it's rape because they were drunk, he isn't a repeat offender.

if you read my post, you'd also see that i'm against the death penalty, so no they shouldn't die.

there's a reason the law is the way it is? so we like child molesters, rapists and murderers? because a hell of a lot of them are walking free, even after being proven guilty. to me, that says that the law needs a little ammending to prevent that sort of the thing. the law is there to protect people (both victims, and those accused), and when child molesters, rapists, murderers, car theives, abusers, etc are allowed to walk free, then obviously the law isn't fully doing what it was put there to do. (that being said, i understand it won't ever be perfect, and it'll never be instant. i'm not saying it will be. but they could be doing a lot more to protect people. even if it's just keeping those sick perverts in jail for longer!)

Sorry, I guess I didn't make my hypothetical situation clearer... Also, my bad, I think the way I replied made it seem like I thought you were for the death penalty; that was more in general towards this thread, not at you. Anything mentioning death penalty is aimed at the suggestions in this thread, and not at you.

Here's my hypothetical situation:

Random guy picks up chick consentually from the bar, but she's drunk and claims rape later on. This is a case of where there was no rape, but he's fucked anyways.

Few years later, the same thing happens; initially consentual, then claimed rape. This makes him a repeat offender. He has never actually forced a girl to do anything against her will, but now with the crazy laws proposed in this thread, he's either A) dead or B) dickless.

How many people would agree that he has done anything wrong? If fucking horny chicks from a bar is illegal, then you can pretty much wipe out the majority of the population.



Also, yes, there is a reason why the law is the way it is. There is rarely black and white in law, everything grey. What is murder to someone is self-defense to another. What is rape to someone is consentual sex to another. What is child molestation to some is a part of their religion to others. Because of that, we can't castrate/kill/lock up people forever, because a good lawyer can make anyone look guilty, whether or not someone really is or not. Don't forget about technological advancements as well. How many people have suddenly been proven innocent after 20 years thanks to DNA testing? How would you feel is your friend/family member lost his dick or his life because of lies, and now some technological advancement proves his innocence?

I think there's one famous quote that basically sums up everything I'm trying to say: "Power tends to corrupt. Absolute power corrupts absolutely." If we start expending the laws the way that you want, it's only going to get abused. You're crazy if you think giving people absolute power over whether someone lives or dies, or has a dick or doesn't have a dick.

Here's a very real situation you see every day that would get abused if someone had a supposed "rape" charge against them:

Guy has girlfriend. Guy breaks up with girlfriend. Girlfriend is one of those people who think "if he doesn't want to be with me, he's not going to be with anybody" (this would apply to both castration and death, since he "won't be with anybody" without a cock). Girlfriend goes to cops, says that after they broke up, boyfriend was upset and came and raped her. Bye bye boyfriend.

[project.one]

Originally Posted by rustybob

The thing about rape is, it's not an open and shut thing. The situation talked about in this thread, yes, that's rape. However, what if it's a situation where consentual sex gets reported as rape? Death still? Castration still? What about a female raping a guy? The problem you all have is that you have a narrow view of the world. Open your fucking eyes.

There's a reason why there's no death penalty for rape, and that's because it's so easy to lie about it. How would you all like to see your friend killed because he had a shitty lawyer? It wouldn't feel so good, would it?

Agreed! QTF

Originally Posted by Vitamin-X

^ And don't forget that someone who has been drinking can't consent to sex.
Just think about how many thousands of mutual rapes go on every friday and Saturday night.

No doubt. Just think of Pachos after a wed. night!

Originally Posted by R Wellbelove

What sadens me is this kind of thing is not rare.

Exaclty why I have lost faith in the human race! QTF!