welfare recipients deserve a raise

[jenai]

Getting up to 906.42 per person - 560 if you do not qualify for PWD status - plus the 25 bux a month GST rebate is not enough, in light of rent of 650+ bux a month in Metro Vancouver.

$750 for everyone over 18 without an income cap as Universal Benefits with a 42 percent tax rate for all workers is a lot more fair federally speaking.

Provincially the welfare rate can still be 560 but the extra 190 should come from the federal taxes.

Employers should go back to the old rate of 10 percent for doing business in Canada.

[jenai]

The 42 percent tax rate applies to worker hours.

[NinjaBoy]

This isn't an attack, but are you speaking from experience?

[jenai]

Yes, I was forced to make that decision circa 2005 due to injuries suffered at work in 2004.

According my experience I am not physically able to work graveyard shifts anymore or capable to work a 40 hour+ workweek.

[galaxie]

^ workers comp? school?

IMO, if welfare recipients want a raise, they should get a job. Why should I pay my hard earned money so they can sit on their asses?

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by jenai

Yes, I was forced to make that decision circa 2005 due to injuries suffered at work in 2004.

According my experience I am not physically able to work graveyard shifts anymore or capable to work a 40 hour+ workweek.

I'm curious about this. My roomate is in the same boat but took a job that was diffrent then what she had done in the past.

Is there any reason why you couldn't work a regular 9-5 Mon-Friday job then? I can sort of understand the over 40 hours a week point (Not sure how an injury effects the hours you work unless it's the illness known as reverse Vampire ).

Again, this isn't an attack, but I've only known one person who couldn't work and he had no arms some I'm curious to the reasons.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by galaxie

^ workers comp? school?

IMO, if welfare recipients want a raise, they should get a job. Why should I pay my hard earned money so they can sit on their asses?

Justified, but doesn't fix anything.

[jenai]

Originally Posted by galaxie

^ workers comp? school?

IMO, if welfare recipients want a raise, they should get a job. Why should I pay my hard earned money so they can sit on their asses?

the majority of them don't sit on their asses; they have 2 or more kids and a dead beat dad or two. or they have intellectual disabilities comorbid with a mental illness.

they're hardly lazy; some of them will never get it together.

i'd sink to that level if i mess it up with my roomies.

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by jenai

comorbid

yeah dude, Comorbid fuckin rawx !1!!!!

[jenai]

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

I'm curious about this. My roomate is in the same boat but took a job that was diffrent then what she had done in the past.

Is there any reason why you couldn't work a regular 9-5 Mon-Friday job then? I can sort of understand the over 40 hours a week point (Not sure how an injury effects the hours you work unless it's the illness known as reverse Vampire ).

Again, this isn't an attack, but I've only known one person who couldn't work and he had no arms some I'm curious to the reasons.

i have a history of not being able to sleep if i have to withstand the excitement of working a 9-5 job 5+ days a week. it wasn't until the incident in 2004 that i remembered that my sleeping history goes back to when i was 8-9. so this is a symptom that covers three decades.

{edited}when i was 8 or 9, while on antihistamines for hay fever, first break occurred; mutism noted by family friends and displayed it at school due to fear of old-school Grade 4 teacher.

circa 1990: recovered from living on own in Victoria from Oct 1989-May 1990. symptoms cleared up by the spring of following year. 1995-6: recovered from a year of graveyard shifts at the Whalley branch of the adult store chain known today as Fantasy factory. 2000: after finishing CDI, sunk into depression over imminent student loan repayment. Managed in 2001 to graduate from security guard program, but suffered stress at work due to getting a good portion of the graveyard shifts from July to June 2002 but kept primary employer. From July 2003 to March 2004, endured graveyard shift and spent most of the time inside during the winter online guarding a site. then i got injured on july 19 while working for a surrey company, despite being warned twice about guards being injured behind bingo country in newton. i only took the job cos it was in walking distance.{/edited}

today i am only now getting over bad sleeping habits. though i hate the self medication part, but have discovered chlor tripolon (chlorpheniramine) works better to assure me of quality sleep for what little I get.

IMHO my guess is, it's due to high histamine levels, probably due to my sedentary lifestyle.

i think anyone who is reading my blog ( you know who you are ) can see the side effects happening from lack of sleep, if you know what I mean. ;)

anyway, it's good of you to ask because it's unhealthy to hide.:nuts:

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by jenai

i think anyone who is reading my blog ( you know who you are )

Link !?

[jenai]

Originally Posted by esoter1c

Link !?

edit; my profile won't take undotted domain name substituted with DOT.

I'll message you.

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by jenai

it's in my profile.

nope.

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by jenai

i have a history of not being able to sleep if i have to withstand the excitement of working a 9-5 job 5+ days a week. it wasn't until the incident in 2004 that i remembered that my sleeping history goes back to when i was 8-9. so this is a symptom that covers three decades.

I read over your post. I find it hard to believe that there is no possible way you could work. It is my understanding that welfare is for people who cannot mentally or physically work. Depression sucks (who doesn't get down about having to pay their student loans?) and getting injured at work sucks as well. Hell I've gone through the same, a lot of us have. There are a lot of people in the same boat as you, working for some does present difficulties. But I don't believe welfare is the solution for you.

All this will do is contribute to you sedentary lifestyle. How long do you plan on being on welfare?

[ebbomega]

Frankly I don't think those on welfare deserve a raise, and I think that word choice is pretty selfish.

However, whether or not a welfare raise would help the economy be bolstered is a different matter.

Still though. 900 bucks a month? You can get housing for about a third that in various places around the city. Sure, you don't get to go out for dinner every night, but you shouldn't be doing that on welfare anyways.

42% tax rate? WTF? People working minimum wage would be getting around $965, which you are proposing is just over "too low for welfare". We'd have nobody working shit jobs because it'd probably be easier to just get yourself diagnosed as "chronic depressive" or suffering from "anxiety disorder" and never go to work again.

Your logic is severely flawed and selfish.

[azazel]

make welfare a matter for the free market. problem solved

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by azazel

make welfare a matter for the free market. problem solved

Also flawed and selfish.

[Ms.Tarantula]

.... a raise?

how

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NO!

[azazel]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Also flawed and selfish.

just wtf are you talking about

[penguinabc123]

ive always seen welfare as a saftey net for people who try thier best to contribute to society and get dealt a bad hand. but once welfare kicks in they realize that they only use welfare as a saftey net until thier next job starts up and they can continue on with thier lives,

to bad that doesnt always happen that way though.

my parents had been there before, but it would only take a month or two before they were back on thier feet and off welfare.

there is no need for a raise, its enough to get by on, and thats all it should be.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by azazel

just wtf are you talking about

Talking about why welfare was introduced in the first place. Turned out that it actually promoted the economy, sanitation and health of the places that it was introduced to. Made them all-around better places to live, believe it or not. Stimulated the economy. Thing is, if you give tax cuts to the rich and stop giving the tax money to the poor in the form of social security and welfare, the only economies that get stimulated is upper class economies. People seem to think that it trickles down but it doesn't. The people who account for those getting tax cuts don't represent that much of the population so it really just makes the class rift larger. Great if you're in the upper class for now but makes the problems of the poor just become more prolific.

It's easy to say "They don't work? Fuck 'em" but it doesn't fix any of the problems that come about in slums and whatnot.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by penguinabc123

ive always seen welfare as a saftey net for people who try thier best to contribute to society and get dealt a bad hand. but once welfare kicks in they realize that they only use welfare as a saftey net until thier next job starts up and they can continue on with thier lives,

to bad that doesnt always happen that way though.

my parents had been there before, but it would only take a month or two before they were back on thier feet and off welfare.

there is no need for a raise, its enough to get by on, and thats all it should be.

thats how i feel, but also there are some people who cannot work, if i get hit by a bus tomorrow and suffer brain damage then im fucked for life, someone will have to take care of me.

[penguinabc123]

^^ i agree, but thats not welfare, thats something like disability pay etc.

i had an uncle who was 'unfit to work' and they didnt just toss him, he recieved money but not from welfare.

[azazel]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Talking about why welfare was introduced in the first place. Turned out that it actually promoted the economy, sanitation and health of the places that it was introduced to. Made them all-around better places to live, believe it or not. Stimulated the economy. Thing is, if you give tax cuts to the rich and stop giving the tax money to the poor in the form of social security and welfare, the only economies that get stimulated is upper class economies. People seem to think that it trickles down but it doesn't. The people who account for those getting tax cuts don't represent that much of the population so it really just makes the class rift larger. Great if you're in the upper class for now but makes the problems of the poor just become more prolific.

It's easy to say "They don't work? Fuck 'em" but it doesn't fix any of the problems that come about in slums and whatnot.

why can't a church or charity be in charge of welfare and not the chronically mental gov't?

[jenai]

disability can either be via PWD status for welfare except if CPP was big enough to do it federally.
or there could be a lawsuit to sue whoever's responsible for the injury -- which is maybe if the sued decide not to pay after judgment, plus you gotta consider the stress on the plaintiff.

as for letting a charity or church be in charge of welfare, I think the reason why the gov't handles it now is because churches and charities bungled it before the state took over.

a church could exclude anyone not in their churches from getting welfare. a charity could spend 75 percent of its funding on staffing and 25 percent on the welfare recipients.

however, i proposed the UBI solution which would tax people fairly and welfare would cease to exist.

i think the UBI is not taxed. any income is taxed. this could be before income or after depending on what works best

Google "Universal Basic Income"