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Mar 01, 04
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People who think they're SOOO damn sweet because they're in big shot US universities
fuck that shit
fuckin doofus i know calls me a soldier in the way i live my life. how flattering thanks man you really are a pal then he calls himself the general making the orders muthafucka don't mess with me if you were my platoon commander in ww3 i'd hunt your ass down and stick sarin up your fuckin ass 
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Mar 01, 04
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lol. it's totally true though. school equips you with a piece of paper that says that you have a degree (which IS important in finding *most* decent jobs, although there ARE other ways to get certain high up positions if you work hard/have good connections)...but it doesn't necessarily provide you with a ticket for a high paying job in the end anyways. i saw lots of friends come out of ivy leagues and struggled to find decent jobs for quite a while. and although it IS impressive to have graduated from an ivy league to employers, that's not to say that certain canadian universities are any less prestigious. only difference is that US tuitions are insanely jacked up.
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Mar 01, 04
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higher education is a big thing. the education itself alone is one thing but the people you will be surrounded with are elite academics and out of the hundreds to thousands many elite school accept, there will be future entrepeneurs, big thinkers, doctors and people who make the real difference in shaping society its not a direct ticket. its more like the hard (but only) road to get there
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Mar 02, 04
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I despise being belittled or looked down upon because I decided to go into a more artistic career (fashion design) than a more "prestigious" one.
That doesn't make me les of a person, that doesn't make me stupid (I'm actually very smart, I just don't ahve the passion for things such as science, math etc. that I do for fashion). Even my career counceller attempted to force me into biology, physics and so on when I didn't want it or need it, then insulted me by saying I was "wasting my potential" by going into an artistic career, like it was nothing compared to the higher paid and obviously higher respected (by some people)jobs !@~#@$ I think the reason someone choses a career means alot too. Even though Fashion design might not be as "noble" as something like a Doctor, I still plan on helping people through charity events and donations, having realistically sized models, adressing social problems and soo many other things through my fashion or on my own. If someone happens to have the brains, but choses to be a doctor for the money or position in society then he/she sure as hell doesn't deserve the praise that a career like that comes with.
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Mar 02, 04
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and yes i've heard of trades. and how far you can go with trades is another thing to look at. i mean if it matches with your ambitions... by all means.... go for a trade
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Mar 02, 04
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but what your councellor has been forcing on you is what many term as "higher education" (hahaha funfun loves that). it wont necessarily get you a job, no, but it will make you better read and more wise. Fuck sciences if you're into fashion, looking into economics and logistics, sociology and many different fields of psychology (perception would be a good area to look into)... they will better match your fashion designing area. I really think being well read is something young people don't value until it's too late.
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Mar 02, 04
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you guys may clown education but your stupid fuckin ravers so i dont expect anything less from a bunch of unmotivated people who have no goals in life other then sticking most of theirs up their nose. studies show that even someone with a bullshit BA in musical composition will make more money in the long run then someone without a degree. Secondly most executives/people in buisness who make real fuckin money have post graduate degrees that actually relate to their work. There may be alot of people who make alot of money without a university education but the vast majority of high income earners do have one. Finally no one takes into account the importance education will have in the future, most of these people we talk about are already established and are our parents age whicxh means that their income levels have already peaked. Thrirty years ago education wasnt as important as it is now and as a consequence one could earn a high paying job without post secondary education but merely relying on natural abiltiy and on the job training. In the future, education will certainly be even more important as even now it is almost a prerequisite for many high and medium income jobs. Also its important to realize that as we will need more skilled workers to replace the huge amount of baby boomers who comprise the labour force and will be retiring over the next 15-20 years, real wages, especially for those with post secondary education in a trade as well as university, will increase quite significanly. I've seen alot of people on this board downplay the significance of a university education and instead emphasize the importance of an applied education such as the ones offered in trades and technical schools. Sure employers may prefer that type of education particuarly in certain fields like IT and trades but nthe thing about applied education is they are so narrowly focused that the job you are trained for is very specific. The exclusive nature of an applied education does not allow one to be dynamic about the type of job they can preform. Essentailly, if you decide that you dont like the type of work you do or technologically innovation renders your training obsolete, your fucked and you have to go back to school. Therefore it is important to realize the postive side of a broad university education. Plus theres a certain prestige to a university degree especially one from an ivy league school that can't be overlooked, and as many of you seem to fail to realize, perception of quality is often alot more important then the actual quality of the education itself....MARKETING NIGGGGAAAHHH! Some chump with a carpentry ticket may think he has me beat because hes 21 and makes 50k a year right out of school but thats fuckin peanuts man by the time were both 50 he'll be physically worn out and ill be making $400k a year bitch,(let me dream ok) MBa what!??!!
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Mar 02, 04
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to share some of my own personal experience, i hated my first year at ubc so much i wanted to get outta that whole academic route. at the same time i have been workin in kitchen management serving hundreds of customers a day, dealing with poor, desperate staff members making ends meet with pretty much no more than 10-13 dollars an hour. A lot of them are VERY smart people. They have their trade and passion in culinary arts yet even at over 40, most of them are making this much money. aside all this money jazz since everyone here is all concerned about money making, i decided to check out this CDIS place and take some audio engineering courses and music business courses.... maybe even get my certificate as someone who has learnt about the music biz and audio production... then do what?!?! first off anyone who has been in this program may be able to share that the people you are surrounded with are seriously the biggest fuckin morons you'll ever meet. alot of them are condescending, or just straight up fuckin stupid. anybody can get into the program (if you can't even pass grade 12 english you're basically not gonna succeed very easily in life) and beyond that there just isn't much at all to learn. you can figure all that shit out on your own. moving on, my point is in a higher learning enviornment, you are surrounded with people who have been carefully selected by the school based on their academic performance, so not just average joe blow can come along and say hey i wanna goto ubc! on top of that, i have been exposed to some extrememly smart people who have so many hook ups in the business world that it would be just stupid for me to drop out cuz i'm lazy. so there ya go. my own personal obervations on this lil issue ravers seem to think they know so much about.
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Mar 02, 04
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OK I'm chiming in on this one. So many good things mentioned in this forum. Lets start off with saying it doesn't matter where you went to school or even if you went to school it's all about what makes you happy. See I'm a lighting and sound designer. Sure there are may schools out there to teach me right from wrong but I kinda did it the hard way......learning from others at the low end of the totem pole and there's something to be said for that. In a school you are taught this is the right and this is the wrong where in the real world you are taught "well this is how I do this and this is how I do that. In actual fact there are many ways of doing things it is up to you on what traits you pick-up and the best way of doing things and sometimes doing things your own way. This is what has made me the proffesional I am today and able to deliver stand out events to so many all over north america and other parts of the world. At the end of the day ladies and gentlemen do whatever it is that makes you happy. It's is only you that makes work....well work.
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Mar 02, 04
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i agree and disagree i agree that the real world will make you realize real things but i disagree that school just basically says this is right, this is wrong. This is right this is wrong comes into plan when presenting facts for history for example. you can't change what really happned cuz if you do you're basically bullshitting and presenting false information. what school does is makes you use all those facts after reading book after book and presenting an idea, a theory, which is not as easy as it may sound. coming up with a good thesis and proving it in 2000 words alone is tough. but i admire your post. good shit =)
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Mar 02, 04
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I agree with you that it is a great thing to be well read and rounded in your knowledge, but this was not my councellors intentions. I should probably mention that this was my highschool councellor, even if I wanted to spread out the kind of classes I was taking 1) there wasn't much to choose from 2) i had just returned to schol after 2-3 yrs of being severely depressed and ill and might be able to handle something such as physics "smartwise" but deffinately not physcially or mentally 3) he was just trying to change my mind and drive me away from my decision to go into fashion. In the state I was in I just wanted to do the classes i need and get out of highschool (as a graduate with good grades of course). And I did that. Now that I'm free I can take it upon myself to become well read. I dont need to take complicated and expensive courses to learn/experience more in life. Since I've left highschool I've jumped into more reading (both fiction and on certain topics, specifically sexuality, sociology, and of course art etc), I've began volunteering, been certified as a make-up artist, I am getting back into music and dancing, modelling, expanding my artistic skills and interests, developing my own website, and once I have the financial means will be taking small courses to broaden my mind and body as well as travelling. Not to mention I will be taking huge advantage of my electives while working towards my BA in fashion design and technology, taking courses such as Womens studies, sociology, web design and graphics, business and whatever else I can lay my hands on :D
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Mar 02, 04
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The pressure today to get into a good school and an "important" proffession is ridulous, and honestly scared the shit out of me and others.. For a second or two I almost considered scrapping the idea of doing what makes me happy because it's not as "safe" or as "noble" as other professions I could have taken on. Don't get me wrong, i am certainly not belittiling a good education, but the stress, unhappiness and misconceptions the pressure leads to is pretty depressing. I mean, at my school the pressure cooker started in GRADE EIGHT. Luckily I knew what I wanted to do since I was 11, but what about people who have no freaking clue? they are chosing their education and career paths for the wrong reasons. I know so many people that get out of highschool and jump right into college, not knowing what they want to do, or who they are, simply because they feel they should, or that its the right and good thing to do. This wastes time AND money, these people could be out in the world dabbling in different areas and experiencing life before deciding what they want to do with the rest of their lives.
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