Fuck Atkins

[Grapes]

Alright, I've had enough.

I think McDonalds jumping on the bandwagon was the last straw. Where the hell do they get off introducing Atkins choices on their menu?! McDonalds has spent the past 50 some odd years ruining the health of North America, a ruination they're trying to spread around the globe, and they have the fucking nerve to frantically clamp onto the latest health trend? Just another example of corporations quaking at the thought of being left out of the latest fad and subsequent pay day.

As for the movement itself, allow me to, along with any nutritionist worth their weight in food pyramids, chime in with "BULLSHIT". Let me get this straight: Human beings have been eating "carbs" (re: Rice, corn, bread, potatos, etc) since oh I don't know, THE DEVELOPMENT OF AGRICULTURE, and now because some crackpot diet specialist decided to get all jiggy with it, we're throwing all that out the window. Right.

Has anyone stopped to ask pertinent questions like "Who exactly is behind that giant A anyways"?? Dr. Atkins is dead. No, he didn't die of a heart attack, although I think he had one at some point. But he's dead and gone. Unless his diet made him so powerful that he can push his nutritional strategy from beyond the grave, what accounts for the massive publicity campaign being force fed down North American's gullets?

I'd lay even money that American livestock producers are behind the curtain pulling these strings. OK, maybe that's conjecture. Then who is funding the "Atkins Information Institute" or whatever they're calling themselves? Did a bunch of people decided to create a logo and a PR team just because they really really believe in this diet?? Not buying it.

I think North America's grain producers should get their own talking head in the medical profession, and have him insist that we should all cut meat out of our diets.

No wait, I don't want that either. I love meat. Meat is fantastic, I eat more than my share. What I don't want is bullshit. What I don't want is ridiculous fads passing themselves off as serious diet strategies. What I want is for our society to stop looking for secret fixes and come to the realization that if you really want something, you need to go work for it. Eat a balanced diet. Don't ingest too much garbage. EXERCISE, for chrissakes. And if you really really insist on going the Atkins route, send me your cereal. I eat two bowls a day.

[Rhianna]

Didn't Atkins die of a heart attack or something?

[Crazy Dave]

^he died for a brain clot, and was suffering from high blood pressure. Some one that released the corners report got harsh sued.

[Sykonee]

You know what REALLY pisses me off; DIETS!!!

I mean, I'm such a genetically skinny guy! I can either eat healthy or greasy, it don't make a difference! Almost my enitre family line has been filled with skinny, Italian men. I could eat pure trans-fats and wouldn't gain an ounce!

Stop wasting research dollars on figuring out obesity. Help us poor skinny guys, fer crise sakes!!! :284:

[kandy kid]

Originally posted by Grapes
What I want is for our society to stop looking for secret fixes and come to the realization that if you really want something, you need to go work for it. Eat a balanced diet. Don't ingest too much garbage. EXERCISE, for chrissakes. And if you really really insist on going the Atkins route, send me your cereal. I eat two bowls a day.

I agree, I've never beleived in diets of any kind, except for a well balanced one.
Atkins only works for some people who are very overweight but it's still not a healthy way of doing it. And if you are not very overweight then you will get very sick, I've seen it first hand.

[Grapes]

Some one that released the corners report got harsh sued.

"SHUT UP!! SHUT UP!! YOU'LL RUIN EVERYTHING"$&*@"

There's another great pillar of our society... the ever present threat of *LEGAL ACTION*

That's a whole other rant. In the meantime, here's a comment from a certain frog princess...

"i think the reason atkin's dieters are losing so much weight is cuz they burn so many calories talking about it"

Pwned!

[Leviathan]

The reason the diet is so popular is because it works and it works fast. Lets get one thing straight though... just because we have been eating carbs since the beginning of agriculture doesn't mean we have been eating refined simple carbs for that long. Sugar and white flour, white bread, white pasta have absolutely no nutritional value at all. All they do is raise your blood sugar level which in turn raises your insulin levels... Once your muscles and liver have stored as much glycogen as possible, it turns to fat. I personally think that its great that Mcdonalds is cashing in on it. There is nothing wrong with offering the public a healthy alternative to their regular menu. :)
complex carbs are good, refined carbs are bad no matter how good they taste :)

[Leviathan]

I've done it first hand, your wrong. I feel better than ever :)

The problem is there isn't a set definition or proof of what a "balanced diet" should consist of.

What is unhealthy about eating eggs for breakfast, a big salad at lunch and some fish, brocoli/ cauliflower and beans for dinner?

I don't really want to get into it though. I don't want to lose to much weight from talking about it :)

Originally posted by kandy kid


I agree, I've never beleived in diets of any kind, except for a well balanced one.
Atkins only works for some people who are very overweight but it's still not a healthy way of doing it. And if you are not very overweight then you will get very sick, I've seen it first hand.

[ebbomega]

I know you've all probably heard it a couple billion times, but my typical response to "Atkins may be controversial but it gets results" is "So does bulemia."

[Leviathan]

Fuck you DAVE and DAVE!!!! I'm just trying to support the Canadian beef industry! Everyone go out and buy a cow to eat today!

Our beef farmers need your help!

:)

[Leviathan]

oh yeah and bulemia is hard on your tooth enamel.

[Crazy Dave]

^not if you bush you teeth right away. and the up side if you get very white teeth.

BTW eat more meat,,, I'm learning to be a cutter.

[mapleleaf4ever]

No Carbs?! That means no Beer! This diet must also be a tool of the Devil... much like Credit Cards and One Ply Toilet Paper!

[shorerider]

Exercise. Won't kill ya.

[inkster]

i intend on going to mcdonalds sometime soon and ordering each of the protein platters. then accompanying it with a large fries.

mainly just to see if they say anything.

[ebbomega]

Originally posted by Leviathan
Fuck you DAVE and DAVE!!!! I'm just trying to support the Canadian beef industry! Everyone go out and buy a cow to eat today!

Our beef farmers need your help!

:)

If we bought a cow to eat, wouldn't that completely forego the farmers entirely?

You may feel great, but tell me how great you feel when your arm starts to feel tingly.

[r@V3r_rAy]

its pure marketing...if this is what is gonna sell then ALL companys are gonna follow suit...its all about the cash

[shorerider]

Originally posted by ebbomega


tell me how great you feel when your arm starts to feel tingly.

That only happens when we spoon. 'tis worth it though, but your morning breath is deadly :S :sick:

[charly]

Originally posted by mapleleaf4ever
No Carbs?! That means no Beer! This diet must also be a tool of the Devil... much like Credit Cards and One Ply Toilet Paper!

You don't cut out carbs forever. The first two weeks is the induction period where you're very limited in the carbs you can eat [ie: no breads/pasta/rice/anything. only carbs can be from vegetables and only certain vegetables at that] afterwards you can eat some carbs, but it's very limited. it's a high protein, low carb diet.

everyone is starting to believe that carbs are evil and bad for you. only simple carbs [like white bread] are the ones you should avoid.

atkins is gross. if i'm going to go on any diet, i'd at least go for a heart healthy one.

[stringbeans]

in my kinesiology class my teacher told us that there had recently been a scientific study done in which they found that the atkins diet really doesnt do anything

[xxBabyDawlxx]

atkins died young and fat

[Kelster]

it's all bout limiting your calorie intake

if you don't eat enough carbs, your body will turn whatever excess protein you got and turn em into the carb you need...or something liek that, i't skinda rusty been awhile since ma kinesiology class

either way, if you over eat it'll turn to fat, no matter what food group it is...if you under eat on one, your body will do what i t can to make what you're lacking outta whatever it got as long as it's not one of em essentiel nutrients

wow :284:

superstar

[Grapes]

Lets get one thing straight though... just because we have been eating carbs since the beginning of agriculture doesn't mean we have been eating refined simple carbs for that long.

OK, so you're saying that the carbs we've been eating throughout most of recorded history were good, and it's only recently in our overprocessed world that they've been stripped of their nutritional value..

So shouldn't our campaign be for healthier carbs?.. not their elimination altogether?

What is unhealthy about eating eggs for breakfast, a big salad at lunch and some fish, brocoli/ cauliflower and beans for dinner?

Oh, nothing at all!.. that sounds great!

Now, let's say, just for the sake of argument, that I DON'T want to eat eggs every morning. The day after I enjoy this menu you've provided, what do I have for breakfast? A bowl of cereal? Or a bowl of meat chunks? And presuming I go with the meat chunks, am I allowed to pour milk on there??

Fuck you DAVE and DAVE!!!! I'm just trying to support the Canadian beef industry! Everyone go out and buy a cow to eat today!

Our beef farmers need your help!

Dood! If you'd seen some of my Memphis Blues performances, you'd know I'm doing our cattle farmers proud!

[Leviathan]

Totally! I admit I don't know much about this type of stuff but I think that this has to be one of the reasons for obesity, not to mention diabetes. As far as breakfast goes, I make pancakes and muffins out of soy protein powder and they turn out pretty decently :)

So shouldn't our campaign be for healthier carbs?.. not their elimination altogether?

[Leviathan]

Its not necessarily about straight up calories. The body deals with different types of calories differently and quite frankly I think it all comes down to poop.

Your body can only hold so many carbs for energy storage... your muscles hold them and your liver does too. The kicker is only the ones from your liver can be used as energy for the rest of your body while the stuff stored in muscle is used strictly for the muscles.

having high blood sugar levels and insulin levels as far as I know helps the carbs turn to fat when there is an over abundance. Carbs such as sugar obviously raise blood sugar levels and thus raise insulin levels. BUT protein does not effect your blood sugar level and I think takes longer and much more to turn to fat. as well.

There were a few studies published last year, one I think in the New England Journal of Medicine that showed people on a low carb diet who ate more calories then people on a low fat low calorie diet lost more weight and had better cholesteral levels all around. The simple fact is there is not enough long term data to suggest the diet is bad OR good.

It would be interesting to see a thermodynamic model of the human body.

Originally posted by Kelster
it's all bout limiting your calorie intake

if you don't eat enough carbs, your body will turn whatever excess protein you got and turn em into the carb you need...or something liek that, i't skinda rusty been awhile since ma kinesiology class

either way, if you over eat it'll turn to fat, no matter what food group it is...if you under eat on one, your body will do what i t can to make what you're lacking outta whatever it got as long as it's not one of em essentiel nutrients

wow :284:

superstar