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Oct 10, 07
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justice was linked to me and i dl'ed alot of their tracks and you know what i did?...i went out and purchased a hardcopy of thier cd. i do this with alot of music i get from the internet. and you know what, im paying alot of money to go out to their show this saturday wich is sold out...and you know what soo?, im willing to bet that 85% of people at that show downloaded some justice tracks and never purchased a singel record or cd but they did spend the money on a concert ticket and probably a justice shirt at the show. how many shows have justice played on this tour?...like almost a 100 or so? there is no such thing as a "new internet sense of entitlement" its been going on for 10 plus years now. you really got to snap out of you 'holier then thou' stance on this. it so reeks of metallica circa 2001,its a antiquaited and dead sense of thinking. in todays day and age of popular music its all about reaching as many listeners as possible. the only way to do that is flood the net with your stuff and get people listening...get people talking...get a buzz going on. this is a viral media world we ive in. new artists who realize and adapt will flourish...new artists who dont wont. but its allright,we need to get rid of old,dead,expired thinking like yours. so please...stay happy in your little box *edit* oh and btw, im a heavy beatport user and purchase the majority of my tracks/albums from there, as well as highquality mp3s from itunes. so stick the facts of the thread and stay away from making personal assumptions of being cheap.... Last edited by Revolver; Oct 10, 07 at 11:34 PM. 
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That's the issue I have tho. Just because it's successful for one group doesn't mean it's the model that all artists aspire to and as supporters of artists, shouldn't you be respecting the model they choose to adopt? Sure, some guys flood the net or market virally - some guys prefer to do it the more traditional way - flood the net with select songs to promote the album. As supporters of those artists wouldn't you want to respect how they want it done?
Btw, I have absolutely no ties with the industry other than being a DJ (which is, incidentally, how I choose to promote the music) - i honestly could care less about the state of major labels or the model that "wins" in the end. The only thing I want is for the artists I love to carry on making hte music I love and to support them the way they want to be supported. If i ever do produce a track that I feel would be release worthy, i would likely spread it around the net for free too but that's because I would choose to do it - not because some overzeleaous fan decides that it's best for me... Last edited by dj_soo; Oct 10, 07 at 11:35 PM.
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you should get out of dj'ing and get into politics! lol...
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no i didn't - i denouced people who decide to put up other artists work without their permission and those that think that it is somehow a good thing.
An artist can do whatever the hell he or she feels like with their own work. Last edited by dj_soo; Oct 10, 07 at 11:51 PM.
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Oct 11, 07
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they had to expect that a huge number of people were going to download it for free and not donate. if they wanted to make money off of every person that downloaded they would have enforced a minimum donation. the fact that they chose the internet as the sole release method shows that they are probably pretty familiar with it and know how things work. it was a given that people would repost the album and they must have known it would happen.
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^ i realize that. I'm just saying that if they really had their heart set on just giving it away, they would have just posted a link and a paypal icon right?
Instead you still had to go through a store and no where on the site does it just say "free download." In fact there is not even any mention that you could simply enter 0 in the store section. And sure - i don't think any artist expects their shit not to be spread around for free anymore. I just take issue with people that think it's their god-given right to give away other people's work without the artists permission. There are plenty of artists that straight-up say: "my music is free - share it with everyone." You want to expose your favorite band to the masses? Link them to their site or a stream or myspace or something. Linking people to an entire album with the notion that you're somehow helping the artist (when they obviously haven't given consent to it) is just plain disrespectful imo.
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My bad if I am repeating myself b/c I think I have brought this up before. Theres a billion artists losing my business b/c djs are making really good dj mixes with said artists tracks in them. Why would I want the MIA album when every dj I know plays her songs better in a dj mix. Speaking as a music consumer (not a dj) the only time when I listen to music is at the gym. So when im there lifting like a billion pounds I want something seamless and non stop that will pump me up not something with a gap after every track.
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^ yea but you're a DJ. I'm in the same boat - i prefer my music mixed myself, but as a DJ I'm used to a certain way of listening to your music. A lot of people just still aren't fully hip to DJ mixes yet.
btw you'll note that I don't care about people posting mixes for free - for me, that's promo - you're playing one or two songs of an artist in the mix, and not playing the whole song and often it's blended with something else - you're not putting someones entire album up for download...
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Oct 11, 07
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that's the risk of trying this new model. they didn't like the way things worked with a record label, so they are trying something else. the people behind this aren't stupid, they realize the risks. if you give people an option to pay or have something for free, people will generally take free.
by offering the album for free to everyone they get a deeper market penetration and people who have never heard radiohead and wouldn't have bought the album get to listen to it. it's their fans that will donate (maybe) or more likely that will buy the boxed set. anyway, i guess i just don't see what you're finding so disrespectful -- they are the ones who decided to use this release method and must have been fully aware of the consequences (i'm just assuming all the guys in radiohead and their management are as smart as i am). to me it just sounds like they are taking a new approach, one that is not based on revenue from album sales. musicians were around long before the record industry.
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hay can someone link me a torrent
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3452 seeds, 639 leechers
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no i'm not - in specifics to radiohead - i'm assuming that someone who would self-proclaim themselves as a fan (i.e. the i love radiohead posts above) would at least link people to the actual site where the album (and donation scheme) is available instead of just linking a megaupload link.
In general however, most of these full albums I see getting uploaded aren't even from artists that have followed the same model.
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I think you should start just taking all the shit you need for free from stores around town and when people get mad rant about your freedoms against the dictatorship.
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Oct 11, 07
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Y'know what? People are going to pirate music.
It's been happening since before MP3s or digital audio were anywhere on anybody's radar. Frankly, T, I think you're boxing a waterfall here, as right as you may be. And I think Radiohead has really embraced that fact, hence the lack of DRM with this release (if they _really_ wanted to control their music, etc. blah blah blah). Frankly I trade mp3s for the same reason I always have - distribution of music so that people can enjoy it and develop their own relationship with it. Isn't that the goal of any artist to have with its art? Granted, they need to make a living for it, but I really find it difficult to hate on the piracy movement since it's been around forever and the record industry still thrives. And the point is exceptionally moot since they're giving it away for free. I accept no moral standpoint for my musical piracy, but I do it regardless for convenience and because I like passing ideas/music/memes to other people so that they too can enjoy it. If they so decide to purchase the album or donate to the band or go to the band's show, so be it. But I'm not going to stipulate that they have to just because I gave them an illegal copy of it.
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 Nor is the Radiohead album by donation. It's free.
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sweet i've gotten you on one-liners now. usually means i win.
Anyway - I know the point is moot - but the principle is still there behind all the "i'm doing the artist a favour by posting their album for free" rationale I hear all the fucking time. Like I said, if they really didn't want any compensation, they would just post a link. Period. Obviously, they would like their fans to chip in a little which is why they set it up the way they did.
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Oct 11, 07
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You lost a loooong time ago Soo. Even Radiohead's not on your side anymore. Just go listen to some Metallica & pout. 
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