Breaks fucking suck & are boring me

[AWOL]

Originally Posted by Skip EZ

Charlies Onion – Carbon Dub
Vigi Love / Party

this are the only two I'm feeling (plus that charlies onion is hella old)

[AWOL]

Originally Posted by Wood

breakbeat is really popular right now. Does that mean it's all good? not neccessarily... but it does mean a lot of people are feelin it. Personally i feel like breaks are pulling a bit more weight than most other dance music right now, i think there's more variety within the genre than, say, dnb or trance.

i feel what AWOL's sayin though, i'm kind of at the same place with dnb. i say just play what you feel, old or new or whatever. lately i've gone back to playing a lot of golden-era hip hop and dancehall, which i consider a big step forward, despite the fact that it's much older music. i wouldn't consider speed garage a step backwards, obviously there's people who want to hear it, and you're feeling it, so what's the problem? i think it's kind of a silly notion that you have to be playing brand new music in order to be progressing....

thank you.

[matéo]

I don't think it has anything to do with breaks sucking. Your tastes have changed. Some of the best breaks I have heard have come out the past year. I think the reason for alot of tracks sucking is b/c everyone plays them every week.

[AWOL]

^yeah I can't wait for them to become unpopular again.

[Ree Fresh]

aww this thread is great lol :D

Anyways... A year ago I stoped paying attetion to breaks because it seemed like evry local breaks dj out there had the same records as the next... Not only that but florida was dieing... I loved forida, but yeah seems like the stuff just ant any good or being "felt" much aymore these days. So recently my focus is funky house. I still keep the breaks, dnb, hip hop, trance because its nice to play somthing else every now and then.

[Liqwid]

zpin HHC!!!!!!!!

~Dalyn:008:

[ty:rone]

if breaks weren't boring, there would be a breaks version of tiesto.

[ppcock]

his name is dj trashy

ferry corsten of breaks = dj icey

[matéo]

Originally Posted by AWOL

I don't uunderstand that too- oh wait I know why, I not best friends (kiss ass) with a promoter(s).

This offends me.
do you think any speedgarage djs kiss ass to get where they're right now? theres a handful playing out maybe you should name them. Or maybe you mean breakbeat djs? its not kissing ass or being best friends with anyone, its about talent, track selection, and attitude. Bitching about why you dont get booked doesn't help any.

I think that Vancouver needs some more variety in terms of the djs that play every week. Its gotten to the point where 4 production companys are listed under one djs name. This is terrible b/c we have to listen to that same dj(s) every rave at the same time every bloody week. We should have a different dj playing the 2,3,4 am slots everytime at every rave. so Vancouver dancers can hear something else besides the same ol shit at 3am.

[Skip EZ]

"Or maybe you mean breakbeat djs? its not kissing ass or being best friends with anyone, its about talent, track selection, and attitude. " (posted by Mateo)

There are some points that you listed that i agree with and some i don't. I don't know if kissing ass is the right term but you could be the best damn DJ in town but if you have a shy personality or don't go out much to talk to the premoters you're not gonna get booked. I guess that comes with the job though. I also think that for the most part talent has nothing to do with the DJ's that get booked at raves. Its sad but true. I'm not saying this about everyone in the breaks scene cause there is some sick talent out there and you guys know who you are. Clubs are very different. You rarely see sub par DJ's playing at clubs. As far as track selection goes at raves. You don't play the bombs and people won't acknowledge you. So maybe thats why you always hear the same tracks over and over at raves. As far as attitude goes you're right.

[Akeel]

Originally Posted by Skip EZ

"Or maybe you mean breakbeat djs? its not kissing ass or being best friends with anyone, its about talent, track selection, and attitude. " (posted by Mateo)

There are some points that you listed that i agree with and some i don't. I don't know if kissing ass is the right term but you could be the best damn DJ in town but if you have a shy personality or don't go out much to talk to the premoters you're not gonna get booked. I guess that comes with the job though. I also think that for the most part talent has nothing to do with the DJ's that get booked at raves. Its sad but true. I'm not saying this about everyone in the breaks scene cause there is some sick talent out there and you guys know who you are. Clubs are very different. You rarely see sub par DJ's playing at clubs. As far as track selection goes at raves. You don't play the bombs and people won't acknowledge you. So maybe thats why you always hear the same tracks over and over at raves. As far as attitude goes you're right.

i disagree with you on the clubs, skip - sometimes its just as pretentious as the rave scene if not more...and there's a few club dj's out there that should certainly practice a bit more before playing out.

What i've found with pretty much every big track in any genre is this: someone has to get it first and start playing it out before it becomes an anthem. For example, the first time I heard "blackout" by JDS (june 17th @ the Drink!!!) was last October @ Spooky played by Soda on CDR, that didnt come out on promo till december and didnt get a full release till like a month ago.

As a more mainstream example...the first time "toxic" got its debut on the beat, Flipout cut the song off halfway through because it just sounded horrible...but gradually it grew on people and made the grade.

So basically what i'm getting at is someone's gotta be pushing the new tracks for them to become anthems. Crowds are ignorant. they like things they've already heard before, this is why bootlegs do so well; people love the familiar.

As for getting gigs, demo's wont do it alone. support those that support you. period.

[AWOL]

Mateo: way to change the subject! I don't even know which thread you pulled that quote out of but it wasn't what this thread was about. Offended you? Cry me a river. Raves suck, DJs suck, Clubs suck , I don't even care anymore I just call it like it is.

I go out, I hand out demos, I promote myself online I even started my own night for 6 months and booked all the "right" dj/promoters to get myself some bookings back (which the favours were never retuened I might add). I've been a resident of AGROCULTURE since nearly the start. I've opened and closed shows for 5 years, I play for free (or don't get paid) 99% of the time. I've paid my dues. I get booked to headline in other cities/provinces (based on my skills, talent and hard to find track selection), but when it comes to Vancouver I couldn't get a booking to save my life (even at AGROculture now). So I offended you. whatever, I just say it how it is and I could care less how people see it.

Akeel: I'm not going to go out clubbing every night and raving every weekend just so I can get opening slots here and there (BTW shouldn't it based on talent rather than participation?) Sure support is nice but what about the working DJs? you know the ones that have 7am to 6pm jobs and can't go out to support nights. I would love to go out and support but I'm dead assed tired by 10pm. Maybe I don't care enough, I dunno?

I've come to terms DJing will never pan out for me in this city, so my attitude doesn't matter anymore. I got better things to worry about - like making rent this month, paying off my visa and finding enough money to buy some records I really want off E Bay.

[Mirka Cerny]

Originally Posted by AWOL

I go out, I hand out demos, I promote myself online I even started my own night for 6 months and booked all the "right" dj/promoters to get myself some bookings back (which the favours were never retuened I might add). I've been a resident of AGROCULTURE since nearly the start. I've opened and closed shows for 5 years, I play for free (or don't get paid) 99% of the time. I've paid my dues. I get booked to headline in other cities/provinces (based on my skills, talent and hard to find track selection), but when it comes to Vancouver I couldn't get a booking to save my life (even at AGROculture now). So I offended you. whatever, I just say it how it is and I could care less how people see it.

I am feeling you (although I am out almost every night) this happens regardless what you spin. Vancouver's problem is that everyone has their head up their ass and won't realize that a good dj is a good dj period. I don't care if they play for another crew, for me froma promoter standpoint I look for a few things:

1. Can you actually play? (I am a bitch about this as I have high standards, 8 bar mixing doesn't cut it here nor does any other half assed dj antics)

2. Will you bring at least 20 people down to the club to see you? (This is huge. Promoters are more likely to book you in a club situation if you have at least a small following)*************this is not guestlisted either these are regular paying people, afterall I would like to pay the people that play my night but if everyone is guestlisted at the door plus you want a bartab sorry, there goes your fee

3. Do they support me? I don't mean do they kiss my ass? (btw I hate that and there really is no point) I am genuinely nice to people, if I don't like you you'll know.

AWOL, I don't think I have ever met you but I feel your pain. I get booked out of town tons am signed to a recordlabel, have a press coming out in sept but can't get booked in this city to save my life because my name is not Tazix. It's shit. But I have come to count my blessings and take what I have thankfully.

Keep your head up

[hardstylin]

hahah you guys should just do what me and my buddy did, buy yourself a system which will cost around 12g's throw your own parties and headline them, the system pays its self off fast and your the man you decide who spins and when.All it takes is one good party to change the scene in towns,vancouver will be a hardscene 2005-2006 season!!!!

[Séguin]

^^ I've been seriously thinking this over lately.

[Sykonee]

Originally Posted by hardstylin

hahah you guys should just do what me and my buddy did, buy yourself a system which will cost around 12g's throw your own parties and headline them, the system pays its self off fast and your the man you decide who spins and when.All it takes is one good party to change the scene in towns,vancouver will be a hardscene 2005-2006 season!!!!

Really, this is how most promotions get started anyways. Why else do DJs that are friends of promoter get top billing in most cases? I don't think that's the route AWOL or butterfly want to take,though. Seems like they'd rather have a scene where talent is the basis on deciding spots, not PR.

Dunno if such a scene could exist the way things are opporated here in Van. A buddy of mine says this sort of thing exists even in the live music scene. The only way he was able to get some mic and deck time at the Nelson was through an old friend who already had a spot there. Once he got his foot in the door, his talent did the rest, but it without his friend already in, he'd probably never have gotten a chance to prove himself.

[hardstylin]

Originally Posted by Sykonee

Really, this is how most promotions get started anyways. Why else do DJs that are friends of promoter get top billing in most cases? I don't think that's the route AWOL or butterfly want to take,though. Seems like they'd rather have a scene where talent is the basis on deciding spots, not PR.

Dunno if such a scene could exist the way things are opporated here in Van. A buddy of mine says this sort of thing exists even in the live music scene. The only way he was able to get some mic and deck time at the Nelson was through an old friend who already had a spot there. Once he got his foot in the door, his talent did the rest, but it without his friend already in, he'd probably never have gotten a chance to prove himself.

haha living in fort nelson and being the only 2 dj's here and 2 of the 4 ravers
in my town i dont have any other friends that are dj's, so when i give out time slots to our parties it is based on talent and the type of music you spinn of course.hehe we had this one dj who was big time in his city played like every time there was a party cause he was a friends with all the promotors so i listen to him spin(he sucked) and his taste in music was horrible IMO but i wanted to use him as a ticket seller so rather then give him the boot from the party i gave him the opening time slot and the little bitch told me to fuck myself now my company is the shit in that city and he no longer has the option of spinning at my parties.good tip for upcoming dj's dont ever think your better then you really are take any timeslot you can even if its shitty and never ever bite the hand that feeds you.

[Akeel]

Originally Posted by AWOL

Mateo: way to change the subject! I don't even know which thread you pulled that quote out of but it wasn't what this thread was about. Offended you? Cry me a river. Raves suck, DJs suck, Clubs suck , I don't even care anymore I just call it like it is.

I go out, I hand out demos, I promote myself online I even started my own night for 6 months and booked all the "right" dj/promoters to get myself some bookings back (which the favours were never retuened I might add). I've been a resident of AGROCULTURE since nearly the start. I've opened and closed shows for 5 years, I play for free (or don't get paid) 99% of the time. I've paid my dues. I get booked to headline in other cities/provinces (based on my skills, talent and hard to find track selection), but when it comes to Vancouver I couldn't get a booking to save my life (even at AGROculture now). So I offended you. whatever, I just say it how it is and I could care less how people see it.

Akeel: I'm not going to go out clubbing every night and raving every weekend just so I can get opening slots here and there (BTW shouldn't it based on talent rather than participation?) Sure support is nice but what about the working DJs? you know the ones that have 7am to 6pm jobs and can't go out to support nights. I would love to go out and support but I'm dead assed tired by 10pm. Maybe I don't care enough, I dunno?

I've come to terms DJing will never pan out for me in this city, so my attitude doesn't matter anymore. I got better things to worry about - like making rent this month, paying off my visa and finding enough money to buy some records I really want off E Bay.

No one says you have to go out every night. But pretty much every dj in this town save the few really big ones (ie Stadius,Tripwire, Czech) all have day jobs and go out and support to get gigs. no one is going to book you if you've never been to their clubnite/rave/etc. Its like when you msg'd me to play at my night - i told you straight up i'm not interested in booking anyone that shows up once and expects a gig - thats not support thats attitude, thats something i just dont have time to deal with - 5 years isnt that long a time for you to be playing out and thinking you're king shit and people should be throwing gigs to you left right and center. I've been playing longer then that and i didnt get any gigs even after i got signed to POUND until i finally decided, thats it. I want to play out more. I'm sorry to be critical but you havent established yourself to the point of any of this cities top dj's (like the guys mentioned above). They dont have to go out and network anymore.

You want gigs? stop whining and get them. And i'm not saying you have to go out there and suck promoter cock. I certainly don't. but at least make the effort to build yourself a following so people actually want to hear you play.

[Dead Mike]

the thing i find is that if i get too much of any type of music, i get sick of it....thats why i love it alll....trance, house, dnb, breaks...watever...jus gotta mix it up....or at least i do. :)

[AWOL]

Originally Posted by Akeel

...thinking you're king shit and people should be throwing gigs to you left right and center...You want gigs? stop whining and get them. And i'm not saying you have to go out there and suck promoter cock. I certainly don't. but at least make the effort to build yourself a following so people actually want to hear you play.

1. I've been trying to get a following and it hasn't really happened so I'm not trying anymore.
2. I don't want more gigs.
3. I wasn't trying to whine - I made one comment in another thread and I had to defend myself against Mateo who brought it up (and slighty out of context).
4. I don't think I'm king shit, I was just trying say that I've tried what everyone is suggesting I do and it hasn't worked.

[AWOL]

Originally Posted by Sykonee

Really, this is how most promotions get started anyways. Why else do DJs that are friends of promoter get top billing in most cases? ...but it without his friend already in, he'd probably never have gotten a chance to prove himself.

hey Mateo are you offended by this^?

[dj_femmefatale]

For those that don't like breaks, dont play them. Or dont listen to them. But they hold their own in the right place at the right time, as do most genres within their own scenes.

I play 2step and garage. Lately my style's evolved into more of a martini sippin', lounge-y sound, because those are the traxxx i'm diggin, and I've adjusted the venues Im playing accordingly. If you hate overplayed, in-your-face anthems than play somewhere you wont have to play them. You love dj'ing, and if your genre's pissing you off than change it. It's not selling out it's maintaining sanity. Otherwise your gonna hate the whole damn thing.

[AWOL]

Originally Posted by dj_femmefatale

Lately my style's evolved ... and I've adjusted the venues Im playing accordingly...You love dj'ing, and if your genre's pissing you off than change it. It's not selling out it's maintaining sanity.

Wise words, thank you. I have a new direction and I'm almost excited.

[matéo]

Originally Posted by AWOL

hey Mateo are you offended by this^?

why would I be?


I suck dick for bookings not make friends

[sKeTch-E]

Mini-Massive!!