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May 26, 05
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i think people who like breaks and jungle strive to be thought of as 'grown up' and want to be taken seriously. they're looking for an experience that's different from a rave, and that requires a different 'culture' to the night than your average party.
jungle has managed to have a mature following, enough to keep automatic running for a long time, plus usually one other weekly. i think breaks lack of history and direction really hurts it in this case. to me, unless it's a huge headliner, a breaks clubnight = a breaks rave minus most of the under 19s that's just not appealing to a lot of people 
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May 27, 05
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I still think it has a lot to do with the fact that a lot of the headlining breaks DJs are boring to hear because they play the same stuff that the locals play all the time
we can either hear a local play a bunch of Rennie Pilgrem tracks all night or we can hear Rennie Pilgrem play a bunch of his own tracks all night for $20 more than we'd pay to hear the local... not too tough of a choice, really... it's not easy to keep a scene like breaks fresh when 90% of the tracks that come out are similar to the older tracks that get rinsed to death quite simply, breakbeats need some more ideas put into them... you can only use the Reese bass tone in so many ways before it's given all its life away, as is evidenced by speedgarage's failure to regain its lost popularity (and really... whose idea was it to put a bunch of R&B vocals into speedgarage and call it a bold new step in the right direction???) I'm not saying I've got the solution to the creativity block breaks seems to be facing, but a good step in the right direction would be to throw all the formulas out the window and try just writing music that feels good to write... why does 64 bars, then a breakdown, then 64 bars, then another breakdown, then 64 bars into an ending have to be the only way to make a breaks track? how come in house music you won't find such a strictly followed formula?
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May 27, 05
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Baobinga makes boring music though
even Fuel is kind of stagnating, although obviously the tunes coming out on it are on a whole different level of production talent... Tipper's "Tweak Sauce" track is absolutely INSANE, for example... but it still holds true to the electro-esque nu skool breaks sound that dominates Fuel and Trigger and has for years but there's definately no formula for that style of music, that's for sure! just guidelines like: make it bleepy and crazy and bassy as hell :D but it's the genres like funky breaks and plod step and tearout breaks that need a bit of an overhaul towards the more general-rules as opposed to strict guidelines policy you'd think this would all start with the producers, but for the most part it's the record labels who make the decision to stagnate and remain the same for all time because that's what sells and why take a risk when you know what works already? it generally takes a drastic drop in sales before a record label will take a chance with something crazy and new
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May 27, 05
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dude are you on crack? just because you dont like a track on such and such a label doesnt mean other people dont...all I ever see from you on any board is bitching and whining about how everything coming out is shit blah blah blah...i will grant you that lately there hasnt been a lot of standout tracks coming out...but take a look rogue element's "calm" also, i dont know how you can call baobinga boring, guy is a standout producer right now.
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May 27, 05
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no only-one-genre thing will ever work in this city unless a really small club, there' no point. Music not supposed to be onyl one thing. But ya, alot of the the hardcore breaks followers bored cause so many dj's have the same tracks. its alot more rare to find that in the 4/4 scene
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May 27, 05
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This city owes 20 hz some big thanks for their hard work. I appriciate it anyways.
I stopped promoting nights last year and have been focusing on my sound. I agree with what Rev said. Diversity is what I am growing towards, I hope others get the idea.
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May 27, 05
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May 27, 05
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haven't heard that Rogue Element track yet, so dunno what it sounds like... will look into it though... also, I never said EVERYTHING coming out is shit, I just said a LOT of what comes out is shit... and if you can argue that point somehow then feel free, but the fact remains that when u walk into a record store after they get a new order, you're likely to only walk out with 1 or 2 records, for the most part, unless an extremely exceptional order comes in also, I say Baobinga is boring because, to me, he is... he hardly uses any drum fills or bass fills in his music and his basslines generally don't make me want to nod my head or shake my ass... so really... I think that about makes it boring... to me anyways there's a couple good tunes on The Ugly and there's a couple good tunes he's done outside of that... but for the most part his music just doesn't hold my interest for more than a few bars if anybody is taking breaks in a new direction, it's Mutiny all the way... Carlos is a standup guy and he throws in elements of whatever the hell music he feels like using... I've heard everything from jazz to Florida breaks to trance to god knows what else in his tracks... also Napt is pushing the envelope on a brand of breaks that's slightly less hard-edged, but still rocks out on the dance-floors
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May 28, 05
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May 28, 05
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i am a clubvibes user...with the username *surprise* akeel.
I dunno what record stores your going too...but i'm still picking up 4-5 tracks every couple weeks. And just a search of all your posts shows a majority of grumbling. Quote:
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May 28, 05
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it's not such a crazy idea... there's enough talented producers out there to make enough tracks that are great... it's wonderful that u read the stuff I write, but do u have to turn my desire to hear new sounds into a personal jab at me because I'm opinionated and not afraid to say what I feel? why should I pretend to like music that I don't like because others might be offended that I think something they like is crappy? uh oh, I hate hardcore and gabber and I just said so... woe is me... I think Meat Katie's tracks are boring about 90% of the time... *gasp* I also express my opinions about things that I like, but I notice you didn't mention that part :P
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May 29, 05
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Just saw this thread now.
My 2 cents.... The style of breaks that have been produced in the last few years have been more or less boring as fuck. Not all, but most. Breaks started getting the most recognition from the people when funky breaks and big beat were big. That was feel good, smile on your face shit. As the progression to the UK sound the people followed but started falling off pretty quick.. That dark grimey sound isnt for all. Most people like to hear a repetitve catchy hook and sing along to the tunes. Thats why house is big. Thats why hiphop is big. The fun of breaks just isnt there anymore. I used to love the old school big beat filled with tones of samples and loops that I knew. I understand that was the sound of 5-7years ago but some of those tracks still rock harder than most new ones! I dont know man.. Im not feeling whats comming out nowadays. I also know that lots of you breaks djs are feeling the same. Soda, youve been buying mostly dnb, Kraig mostly house. Me hiphop.. I dont know about the rest of you but if WE as the djs arent even feeling our own music, how the hell are we supposed to gain supporters?
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May 29, 05
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I have a right to my opinions just as much as you have a right to yours... and if I'm not afraid to complain about the bunk shit that's keeping our music down then I should be given a little consideration, not told to shut up and sit down because it makes you uncomfortable to hear that some people have different ideas than you do at least when I complain about music I'm actively working towards the goal of making it better by writing my own tracks with my own take on how things ought to sound
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May 29, 05
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There is a tonne of big-beat sounding funky stuff coming out these days. All that shit on Unique and lots of stuff by Malente and all that crew. Plus lots of more uptempo break funk which is what i've been buying a lot of. The music is out there i think people have just gotten discouraged and now they don't look as hard for the sound they used to love.
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May 29, 05
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I think if you have a read of his posts, he said some not all releases... I would have to agree with Ryan though... just not feeling a lot of the NEW Breaks releases coming out. Some ain't bad, but it's certainly not to the quality and quanity that I'm hearing in House and Soda is hearing in DnB. Last edited by Kraig; May 29, 05 at 05:49 PM.
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May 29, 05
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May 29, 05
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are you just about done trying to make yourself look cool by trashing me, Akeel?
at any point do you think that we could maybe perhaps grow the fuck up and get back to the matter at hand? I'm glad you think that I'm cool enough that you have to try to raise yourself up a notch on the social ladder by whining at me for speaking my mind about subjects that I hold near to my heart (aka: breaks), but honestly, it's time for you to stop now big guy ;)
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