Producers are the new dj's?

[Bevvy Swift]

man being a dj used to be really cool, till producers came along and made you look like a meathead.

that and, how many of the dj's we get flown into vancouver are actually renowned for thier dj skills, not thier productions?

just throwing ideas out there.

[dabbler]

once people started realizing that anyone can mix two records together (yes some better than others, but with everyone and their dog knowing how to spin, the novelty wore off) it became apparent that you had to bring something of your own musical ability to the table (pun intended)

[dabbler]

that and even the sickest dj's that come here, if you were to look around, there are usually local's that can do the exact same thing or better, so you can't cut it being just a dj

[angst]

Maybe that's the whole problem. People are getting bookings strictly b/c of their production and not their DJ skill (which is obviously of little concern to a great many promoters and clubbers). I don't care if you're the best producer out there if you can't mix live then i don't wanna see you live.

[Bobby_T]

There is nothing like watching your favorite producer rinse out thier own tracks. It adds an element of integrity.

[decypher]

Not sure who does the mixing in Noisia, but he is horrible heh. Great tracks though.

[mux]

*cough* LIVE-PA *cough*.

[dabbler]

cough*live PA sux(for the most part)*Cough

[miss.myra]

what's wrong with that anyways?

If I paid to see say rjd2 or andy smith play, you're gonna bet i'm going to be pretty let down if I don't hear some of their own stuff.

[Bevvy Swift]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

what's wrong with that anyways?

If I paid to see say rjd2 or andy smith play, you're gonna bet i'm going to be pretty let down if I don't hear some of their own stuff.

true nuff. im not disagreeing with the trend, or taking any kind of stance, im just observing and reporting.

[mux]

Originally Posted by dabbler

cough*live PA sux(for the most part)*Cough

for the most part, EVERYTHING sucks.

the trick is figuring out for yourself what doesn't suck.

[(val)Liam]

what gets me is when a group or person gets booked and is put as "live pa" on the flyer when all they do is sequence tracks off ableton live... and don't do anything to change up the tracks or whatever... thats not live pa... thats just djing with a laptop...

[b0ld]

Well when knifehandchop,kid606, and eats tape were at the brickyard for there "paws across america tour" all I can say is what a performance for live pa sets ESPECIALLY eats tape.... Although it was a 45 minute performance that they put on it was the best damn acid techno I have EVER heard. With the drum machines and synths and how they operated these things were amazing. It comprised of 2 people that were consistantly busy with creating the beat and rhythm on the spot.... I still can't get over that set they put on....

Here's an actual pic of there gear that they haul.....

[b0ld]

Originally Posted by Liam

what gets me is when a group or person gets booked and is put as "live pa" on the flyer when all they do is sequence tracks off ableton live... and don't do anything to change up the tracks or whatever... thats not live pa... thats just djing with a laptop...

can't agree with you more....

[dabbler]

Originally Posted by mux

for the most part, EVERYTHING sucks.

the trick is figuring out for yourself what doesn't suck.

i've yet to hear a live pa show that was even good, let alone great.

and for kid 606 fans.... rumour has it he is moving here soon.

[Bobby_T]

Originally Posted by dabbler

i've yet to hear a live pa show that was even good, let alone great.

Crystal Method?

[mux]

Originally Posted by dabbler

i've yet to hear a live pa show that was even good, let alone great.

You've *never* seen a good live act?!

Wow.

[b0ld]

Originally Posted by dabbler

i've yet to hear a live pa show that was even good, let alone great.

and for kid 606 fans.... rumour has it he is moving here soon.

kid606 moving to vancouver?????? wow thats really questionable.... I mean he lives in san francisco right now..... the question is why would he want to move to vancouver???? is it because of the rather growing underground idm/breakcore/experimental techno scene that is coming out of canada at this moment???? fuckin weird....... where did you get this rumour from?

[fable]

It goes without saying that too be a great artist you have to kill it in production, and slay the crowd live. Personally ive been a sucker for producers my entire life, there is just something about a great dj, who never cuts their own material that makes me feel disappointed in some way. Thats not to say there hasnt been a number of djs throught my life of live shows that have been amazing. And with saying this i can understand the disappointment of heads who are stoked to see an act whos tracks have secured them as fans in the first place, only to eat a dick at the show.

obvious solution or goal to work for? all around skillz, including business and marketing.

My personal experiences over the last few years found me disappointed more often then none with the dj skills. I have also been more sober and clean than in my entire life, so who knows how reletive of a part that plays? But in the same vein, ive discovered, explored some of the best, tightly produced music that i have heard in quite awhile.

On a bit of a tangent, ive found that artists in the realms of anything broken and such, rarely go on the massive touring scheduale that perhaps might be the case in other genres. Any thoughts? Touring along with an insane practise scheduale go hand in hand with great performances, but with saying that you see less long players in electronic music instead it is more focussed on putting out eps and singles. So i would think that there is always a situation where there is no set prolonged period of time set aside for either producing OR touring. I wonder if this has an impact on the "reality" of lacklustre live perfomances?

Lastly in regards to live pa, the various perfomances i have been lucky to witness have been amazing, so perhaps im part of a fortunate few?

peace+respect
fable

[-evil-duerr-]

the chemical brothers are a wikkid live pa act.
can't wait until they come back to vancouver!

[soma]

Originally Posted by dabbler

so you can't cut it being just a dj

I disagee, most producers spend the majority of thier time in the studio not mixing. All that most people want is to be unique. Playing other peoples music isn't very original. It's seems to me that the djs have go the extra mile to be different. The easiest way of doing so is to start production.

dj Bailey is one of my favorite djs as he isn't djing as a producer. He's has the draw and the connection to get all the fresh tracks as he wants and is brilliant behind the desks. This quality and level of dj is not common any more.

[dabbler]

Originally Posted by BoBBy_T

Crystal Method?

wish i had seen it

[dabbler]

Originally Posted by b0ld

kid606 moving to vancouver?????? wow thats really questionable.... I mean he lives in san francisco right now..... the question is why would he want to move to vancouver???? is it because of the rather growing underground idm/breakcore/experimental techno scene that is coming out of canada at this moment???? fuckin weird....... where did you get this rumour from?

well, maybe cause he has a girl here? i doubt it has anything to do with a "scene" or anything at all to do with his career.

rumours are also going round that Q Project will be doing the same, cause he has a girl in seattle (i am guessing that it is easier for him to live in canada and travel down there, than to move to the US)

[dabbler]

and talking about "good" live acts, crystal method is a league of their own. the seperation between "every other (shitty) live act" and the "A LIST live acts" is enormous. it's not like dj'ing, where there are always good dj's. live acts either SUCK HARD. or kick ass. there's not much room for anything in between.

[Sykonee]

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