Could The Black Eyed Penis Sell Out Any More?

Nicole, I don't disagree with you. I don't care for Fergie of the BEP. I think she is trashy and classless. I don't listen to their music nor do I endorse any of their products.

But I don't disagree with making a buck. They are a cookie cutter, pop band that is highly commercialised to not only make them money, but their label and their managers money. They are a successful company.

The bottom line is, Mangle is calling everyone here who disagrees with his opinions sheep. I disagree with his opinion, cause music is part of the entertainment industry designed to entertain. And while I don't agree with it entertaining 12y/o's,(that is up to the parent of the child to ensure what is proper to listen to), I don't care if it gets people in a club shaking their asses.

Just because you listen to "Pump it" at a night club on a Friday doesn't make anyone less intelligent or intellectually stimulating. I fully support indie and underground bands. I listen to them regularily, and my collection of music is eclectic. But if I choose to put on something silly and dance around in my underwear in my house, it doesn't make me stupid, it makes me fun.

DJ Soo said it best!

ps - Nicole you and I have shaken our asses to dumb stuff in the past, I await future ass shaking to lame music as well.

[justShell]

hasn't that pic already been posted by someone else on here???

[starbright]

Originally Posted by Avana

But I don't disagree with making a buck. They are a cookie cutter, pop band that is highly commercialised to not only make them money, but their label and their managers money. They are a successful company.

there is more than one way to skin a cat.
i think if they continued in the direction they were going they would be successful in a way similar to kaos as opposed to how they are to beyonce now ...

Originally Posted by Avana

The bottom line is, Mangle is calling everyone here who disagrees with his opinions sheep. I disagree with his opinion, cause music is part of the entertainment industry designed to entertain.

yah ok, mangle is a self rightous dink.

Originally Posted by Avana

But if I choose to put on something silly and dance around in my underwear in my house, it doesn't make me stupid, it makes me fun.

quoted for mental imagery! hahaha

Originally Posted by Avana

DJ Soo said it best!

yah, he's smart too.

Originally Posted by Avana

ps - Nicole you and I have shaken our asses to dumb stuff in the past, I await future ass shaking to lame music as well.

ahah
me too... but not on purpose, ok! <3

Originally Posted by starbright

there is more than one way to skin a cat.
i think if they continued in the direction they were going they would be successful in a way similar to kaos as opposed to how they are to beyonce now ...

I agree, that they could take their marketing in a whole different direction. But I also agree with their team, this is the way to make them the most money, and it is the most effective, and still being the least offensive to the general public.

Originally Posted by starbright

yah ok, mangle is a self rightous dink.

Yes, he is.

Originally Posted by starbright

quoted for mental imagery! hahaha

Don't make me pull out fish ghetto!

Originally Posted by starbright

ahah
me too... but not on purpose, ok! <3

I am pretty sure there was copious amounts of alcohol involved with these times, and therefore, we are not responsible for our actions!

[tiedye]

bottom line. it's one thing to put out a good song with a great hook that everyone likes - that's called a single. . . it's a completely different story to put out music that a man in a suit tells you to put out because it'll sell more honda civics. Anyone remember that Nelly video that came out for Nike or some other big name shoe company? it was a shoe ad with music ABOUT the shoe. God damnit people, he released a song on his album promoting a brand of shoes! So "shake ya ass" to it all you want, all you're doing is hurting the music industry by flooding MTV, MuchMusic, the radio, and magazines with shit they want you to see and hear instead of quality music that would be equally fun to bump and groove to.

There's good music out there that's available without corporate hack influence. Discover it and eliminate the need to listen to commercial jargon dubbed over a good bassline.

Like Mangle said, check out Spank Rock's YOYOYOYOYO. . . the track "Bump" has everything you want out of a BEP track without the crud. I reiterate, there is quality music out there that won't try to shove a shoe ad down your throat.

[matéo]

Originally Posted by tiedye

bottom line. it's one thing to put out a good song with a great hook that everyone likes - that's called a single. . . it's a completely different story to put out music that a man in a suit tells you to put out because it'll sell more honda civics.

I think its a great cause. Honda civics are safe, fuel saving, compact cars. If all of us drove honda civics the world would be a cleaner place.

[mojo]

how about you just enjoy what you enjoy, and not worry about what everyone else has to say about it. i have to say though, posts like this are my favorite, less the name calling and weak sauce like it.

ps: civic nation

[decypher]

Nicole, i wasen't disagreeing with Mangle i was just showing contradictions in his premise. I agree with the fact that BEP just adds to the heap of corporate sewage that permeates our culture. Sure sitting around with your friends dissing shitty bands is all in good fun. It's just that this topic is brought up all the time about BEP and it seems like zeolots like Mangle go around getting in people's faces about their musical tastes. Kinda lame, so i thought i'd be an ass and show some different perspectives heh.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by decypher

lol, i never said i disagreed with Mangle. Actually i agree, i just think his argument sounds amateurish and cliche. It's almost impossible not to sell out.

I'm sure your favourite artist is going to the store and being shoes made in vietnam or eating beef from the rainforests which in turn feeds into the dominant core of the international political economy thus perpetuating the enslavement of the lower periphery.

Yeh, that's what i'd say if i wanted to get all marxist critical theory on you guys. With our interconnected world it's impossible to step outside your door without shafting someone in another country. So why have these self-wankery discussions about mainstream muscians when all it does is make you look like a 16 year old.

werd is bond, turn off that wack ass critical theory bullshit, quit acting like everyone is a fuckin victum and run with the pack and stack that paper.

alot of you mother fuckers worry too much about stupid shit. a little more selfishness and a little less idealism will do you good.

p.s mat is right, who fgives a fuck? its just music, pop music, why cant you just say, 'ahh that shit lick balls.' and not listen to it like evryone else. you gotta get a life if this shit is such a big part of yo identity.

[starbright]

yah kam, i know you just took your stance for sake of argument, and i wasn't disagreeing with what you said either. (you know i was ontop of your naomi klein regurgitation before you spelt it out too...)

oh, btw - i think it's hilarious when you say shit like this...

Originally Posted by decypher

step off bitch

you innernet original gansta!

sean, i can tell you're not feelin me... though i got respect for what you're saying and agree to a certain extent. i completely understand the need to be selffish to get what i want... i have many friends who will vouche.
i'm just saying there are boundaries... in my books, choosing to cross them for tha cash money is whack.

others might argue that they could be worse and that feeding young minds full of ignorant uninspiring and un-thought-provoking (haha idk wtf) music isn't corrupting our youth culture. in response to that i say, wake the fuuuuck up!

[decypher]

haha sean, your a cold hearted bastard and your good at it!

I think my point was more that with every issue there is a bigger picture. Like Mangle's magical revelation about the music industry is some new thing that he decided to rant on haha. When really it's a larger issue to do with society, media and the IPE. Then some amateur writer comes along and pretends he knows the solution to world peace by facilitating all the hate towards some bloated cultural icon. In reality they are just manifestations of society and the world at large. In turn they feed back into the culture by producing this garbage music but really they are just puppets feeding their own hedonistic needs and wants.

But don't worry i'm not getting all idealist on ya, i'm not gonna save the world like superman, just making an observation. You do have some merit though, everyone is confronted with this paradox at some point in their life. They want to do great things for the common good or they have to take some posistion at a job that will help support their families etc etc. Evidently some of us are forced to "stack the paper" as you say. haha

[Mangle]

Originally Posted by Avana

Mangle is calling everyone here who disagrees with his opinions sheep.

No, I'm calling everyone who would give money to manufactured products like BEP sheep.

Originally Posted by Avana

Just because you listen to "Pump it" at a night club on a Friday doesn't make anyone less intelligent or intellectually stimulating.

Yes, it does. You go to a shitty club that plays shitty music it's being paid to play in the hopes you'll buy it later. If you can't see that, you are unintelligent. Just because "Pump It" is new doesn't make it any less of a manufactured product existing only to sell you shit you don't need. Besides, the track just loops "Misrilou" and adds nothing to it. It's a totally talentless track made by soulless hacks.

Originally Posted by tiedye

check out Spank Rock's YOYOYOYOYO. . . the track "Bump" has everything you want out of a BEP track without the crud. I reiterate, there is quality music out there that won't try to shove a shoe ad down your throat.

That's what I'm saying. There is so much wicked music being released that you'll never hear about because major labels own all major media outlets and decide for you what music you should like. BREAK THE CYCLE

Originally Posted by matéo

If all of us drove honda civics the world would be a cleaner place.

If none of us drove, the world would be a far cleaner place than that.

Originally Posted by decypher

It's just that this topic is brought up all the time about BEP and it seems like zeolots like Mangle go around getting in people's faces about their musical tastes.

I'm getting in their faces about their lack of taste. They just like what top 40 radio tells them to. I also mock anyone dumb enough to eat at McDonalds or drink Starbucks. Where you shop and what you buy has serious effect on the world around us all.

"Genius creates, and taste preserves. Taste is the good sense of genius; without taste, genius is only sublime folly."
- François-René de Chateaubriand
"Bad taste is a species of bad morals."
- Christian Nestell Bovee

[dj_soo]

you know I not sure which is worse, the people who allow mainstream media to dictate to them what they like, or people like you who allow mainstream media to automatically dictate to them what they don't like.

Some of it sucks for sure, but some pop music is actually pretty well-done, well-written (at least the musical aspect) and some of it is even "progressive."

Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's automatically shit and just because it's "underground" doesn't automatically mean it's good.

Like I said, once you grow up a bit more, you'll understand that aspect of "deciding for yourself." In the meantime, I'm sure you'll carry on wanking away in your little website review gig.

[Mangle]

Originally Posted by dj_soo

you know I not sure which is worse, the people who allow mainstream media to dictate to them what they like, or people like you who allow mainstream media to automatically dictate to them what they don't like.

Sorry, that's not me. Man, you couldn't possibly be more horribly wrong.

Originally Posted by dj_soo

Some of it sucks for sure, but some pop music is actually pretty well-done, well-written

That's because it cost 50 times more than it should.

Originally Posted by dj_soo

Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's automatically shit and just because it's "underground" doesn't automatically mean it's good.

Duh...did you just figure that one one. Man, you are just so mature and enlightened. Thank you so much for all your great advice. Maybe when you grow up, you can write for a website too.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by decypher

haha sean, your a cold hearted bastard and your good at it!

I think my point was more that with every issue there is a bigger picture. Like Mangle's magical revelation about the music industry is some new thing that he decided to rant on haha. When really it's a larger issue to do with society, media and the IPE. Then some amateur writer comes along and pretends he knows the solution to world peace by facilitating all the hate towards some bloated cultural icon. In reality they are just manifestations of society and the world at large. In turn they feed back into the culture by producing this garbage music but really they are just puppets feeding their own hedonistic needs and wants.

But don't worry i'm not getting all idealist on ya, i'm not gonna save the world like superman, just making an observation. You do have some merit though, everyone is confronted with this paradox at some point in their life. They want to do great things for the common good or they have to take some posistion at a job that will help support their families etc etc. Evidently some of us are forced to "stack the paper" as you say. haha

dude im entirely idealistic myself..the only difference is that what so many other (arguably less informed then me, because i am quite possibly the smartest mother fucker in the world, heh) people beleive that capitalism and globalizations are purely negative forces. while my beleif is that capitalism and globalization are ultimately positive and in of themselves can solve all the the inequality/unsustaibnable bullshit arguements that naomi klein and her ignant ass ilk be haitng on..knowimsayin'?

i could get wild an shit wit the two percenter knowledge but instead im gonan pass the fuck out.

[dj_soo]

Originally Posted by Mangle

Duh...did you just figure that one one. Man, you are just so mature and enlightened. Thank you so much for all your great advice. Maybe when you grow up, you can write for a website too.

yea, kinda sucks when people talk down to you doesn't it? really makes you want to listen to what they have to say.

good luck with your mission of expanding people's taste in music.

[Mangle]

Originally Posted by dj_soo

good luck with your mission of expanding people's taste in music.

Shock & Gall, I calls it.

[dj_soo]

you should meet Tormet - you guys would either get along great or have long, entertaining flame wars

[Sykonee]

Originally Posted by tiedye

bottom line. it's one thing to put out a good song with a great hook that everyone likes - that's called a single. . . it's a completely different story to put out music that a man in a suit tells you to put out because it'll sell more honda civics. Anyone remember that Nelly video that came out for Nike or some other big name shoe company? it was a shoe ad with music ABOUT the shoe. God damnit people, he released a song on his album promoting a brand of shoes!

Yet, when Run-DMC do it for Adidas, it's considered a classic. =/

[-evil-duerr-]

^
but run dmc never had fergie stinkin up their tracks.

[tiedye]

Originally Posted by Sykonee

Yet, when Run-DMC do it for Adidas, it's considered a classic. =/

as did Korn. The fact is, those bands lose face in my eyes. Run DMC were some of the most influencial hip hop icons of their time - hell, even of today. Korn were the biggest band in the world after Cobain died. I remember them closing the streets of Toronto so they could drive a tank down to an album signing. The fact that they use their influence to help market a product only makes all of that success and influencial power nothing but commercial fodder.

[Mangle]

Originally Posted by tiedye

as did Korn. The fact is, those bands lose face in my eyes. Run DMC were some of the most influencial hip hop icons of their time - hell, even of today. Korn were the biggest band in the world after Cobain died. I remember them closing the streets of Toronto so they could drive a tank down to an album signing.

Did you hear Korn's cover of Cameo's "Word Up?" I think Snoop Dogg is gonna be on their new album. Like the word really needs two Limp Bizkits.

[zarlon]

i wasn't going to reply at all, but i must just add.. that, oh god, korns still around?

what a horror in this world.

[Mangle]

Originally Posted by zarlon

i wasn't going to reply at all, but i must just add.. that, oh god, korns still around?

what a horror in this world.

Billy Corgan is going to help Courtney Love on her new album. Typical.
Why does everyone have to suck eventually?
Anyone know how comebacks are staged?

[tiedye]

Originally Posted by Mangle

Billy Corgan is going to help Courtney Love on her new album

you have no idea how sad this news makes me. Smashing Pumpkins, to Zwan, to kick ass solo work, to Courtney Love?

This just in: Billy Corgan's career found dead; shotgun wound to the face.

On a side note, check out Corgan's cover of Iron Maiden's "Number of the Beast." Anyone who ever questioned his voice will think differently. Plus it's one of the most chill songs I've ever heard AND suited the Spun soundtrack perfectly.