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Old Dec 14, 06
Junglist
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Buying a new audio PC. Recommendations?

What I have currently (and plan to keep):
  • Soundcard
  • 1 Graphics card + 2 LCD monitors
  • Hard-drive (IDE)
  • DVD Burner
  • 1 GB ram (2x512)
  • Large Heatsink with heatpipes
What I want to upgrade:
  • Case + power supply (good quality power supply, 480W)
  • Motherboard with onboard video, ethernet
  • 1 more GB of RAM
  • CPU
This computer will be used as an audio production computer + basic email etc. (no games).

I'm looking for a reasonably priced CPU, preferably 64bit either single core or dual core (Cubase sx3 takes advantage of 2 cores). Have any producers on here went from single core to dual core? What kind of performace gain did you get?

I'm thinking of going to NCIX for everything. I know this is a pretty cliche topic but any input would be appreciated. Thanks!
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Old Dec 14, 06
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wait until january or feburary when the quadcore cpu's come out
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Old Dec 14, 06
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Oh forgot to mention.. I'm being as price conscious as possible. Around $300 for the CPU and 150 for the motherboard.

Any idea how much the quadcores will cost?
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Old Dec 14, 06
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http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...ufacture=Intel

Any good? Only has 2MB of L2 cache which seems a bit low for a dual core system.
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Old Dec 14, 06
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its tough to say how much it would cost. I mean right now they have the quadcore for XEON based cpu's however that is typically found in servers. So thats why for desktop pc's / consumer pc's will be released seperately... Keep in mind intel and amd is now back into a chip race so realistically its up in the air when it comes down to the price range. Right now I am operating a dualcore 2.8 ghz intel cpu... its consistant... doesn't lag at all and I am happy with it. They also have the core 2 cpu's that are also out there on the market as we speak. Oh and one thing.... As per the ram... You'll probably have to get ram for it cause it will run off of a completely different bus speed
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Old Dec 14, 06
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yeah, but what kind of stuff are you getting? 7.1 sound card?
graphics card with tv out. you're only looking to get at the most 256mb if this is an audio rig
IDE hd's are a thing of the past. SATA is the way to go and your mobo is most likely going to have SATA ports on it.
1gb of ram, man.. you want more for an audio rig. Atleast 2 running at dual channels and having a mobo that supports dual channel.
onboard video with mobo's are usually shit and you wont be able to get a dualie screen running off of it.


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What I have currently (and plan to keep):
  • Soundcard
  • 1 Graphics card + 2 LCD monitors
  • Hard-drive (IDE)
  • DVD Burner
  • 1 GB ram (2x512)
  • Large Heatsink with heatpipes
What I want to upgrade:
  • Case + power supply (good quality power supply, 480W)
  • Motherboard with onboard video, ethernet
  • 1 more GB of RAM
  • CPU
This computer will be used as an audio production computer + basic email etc. (no games).

I'm looking for a reasonably priced CPU, preferably 64bit either single core or dual core (Cubase sx3 takes advantage of 2 cores). Have any producers on here went from single core to dual core? What kind of performace gain did you get?

I'm thinking of going to NCIX for everything. I know this is a pretty cliche topic but any input would be appreciated. Thanks!
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Old Dec 14, 06
tiestn vancorstenfold
 
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oh and dual core processor

you're looking to spend atleast 2000+ on this rig and do it at NCIX.
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Old Dec 14, 06
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ya sata hdd's are the way to go. The hdd can communicate faster with the motherboard opposed to the old IDE type controllers.
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Old Dec 14, 06
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Yea I think im going to get a SATA drive now that you mention it. you can get a 320 GB barricuda for $130 right now. Hard drive performance is important in an audio rig.

Ppock: Ya, couldnt really care about the graphics card. I'll by 2 cheap pci ones to support my two monitors if need be.

I already have a full sound system + a mixer and active monitors so I dont need to invest anything in that.

bOld: Is yours a core 2 duo?
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Old Dec 14, 06
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nope just dualcore
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Old Dec 14, 06
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Wow! The Pentium D 2.8GHz dual core is really cheap! It's only $130. I might consider this option.

(http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...ufacture=Intel)
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Old Dec 14, 06
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again as I said... wait... wait either for boxing day specials or for newer technology that is coming up in the new year
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Old Dec 14, 06
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you dont want pentium d for an audio rig

cheap means ass.
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Old Dec 14, 06
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deff go for dual channel, it'll work wonders with an audio rig. but then you'll need a mobo to support dual channel.
you'll need more ram and probably a 600w power supply to support two pci cards and then hopefully find a mobo that will have 3 pci cards, to do a new sound card.
You'll obviously want an external sound device as well.
and firewire ports never hurt too.
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Old Dec 14, 06
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Good sound card I would recommend getting would be the RME Hammerfall...One of my fav cards...to be blunt, ya straight up, they're pricey, but definately worth it if you're looking for a serious audio rig.....try to run as much outboard gear as possible, to reduce CPU load without sacrificing latency, which you'll need to research, there's some gear out there that can get down to 2ms....5-8ms being not bad....Apogee makes great outboard gear as well as MOTU. Agreed as previously posted...wait 4-6 weeks for sales and new tech additions, watch out tho for first gen versions, some progs haven't worked bugs out yet and what not, depends on the brand tho, I think you'd be safe with whats mentioned in here tho, lots of quality stuff.
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Old Dec 14, 06
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watercooling for the cpu, with external heatsink since onboard heatsinks heat up with the heat of the computer...
that will take care of lagging, as for latency its all about if your cpu can handle the load, firewire is proven to be the fastest way to send signals to any external gear... usb2.0 works but with every other accessory using the usb signals too... sometimes there may be problems (happens but rarely).
Sound card helps, but its not like youll be running 10+vsti's and a very visually orientated sequencer to lag the computer that much. If its sound quality your looking for, wire your computer to a mixing console and then run your monitors from your console.
Dual LCD monitors however will need the extra ram and cpu power if you intend to use the whole desktop space as a workspace for your projects.
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Old Dec 14, 06
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watercooling for the cpu, with external heatsink since onboard heatsinks heat up with the heat of the computer...
that will take care of lagging, as for latency its all about if your cpu can handle the load, firewire is proven to be the fastest way to send signals to any external gear... usb2.0 works but with every other accessory using the usb signals too... sometimes there may be problems (happens but rarely).
Sound card helps, but its not like youll be running 10+vsti's and a very visually orientated sequencer to lag the computer that much. If its sound quality your looking for, wire your computer to a mixing console and then run your monitors from your console.
Dual LCD monitors however will need the extra ram and cpu power if you intend to use the whole desktop space as a workspace for your projects.
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THE BIGGEST THING IS TO RECOGNIZE YOUR BOTTLENECKS AND DEAL WITH THEM

A WINDOWS BOX WILL ALWAYS SWAP TO DISK NO MATTER HOW MUCH RAM YOU PUT IN IT, ERGO IT MAY BE WORTH YOUR TIME/MONEY TO PICK UP SOME FAST HARD DISKS. WHILE SCSI IS PROBABLY OUT OF YOUR PRICE RANGE, ONE OR TWO WD RAPTORS (10k RPM SATA) DISKS WILL SPEED YOU UP A LOT. YOU COULD BUY 3 AND RAID 5 THEM, WHICH WOULD GIVE YOU INCREASED SPEED AS WELL AS FAULT TOLERANCE IN CASE ONE DIES.

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Old Dec 14, 06
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well i dont know fuck all about computers but i saw ben wrote down something about watercooling. I got a call from a guy who makes watercooled computers and he claimed that dog the bounty hunter was one of his customers, when i delivered to him, he insisted on calling dog and showing me that he was down, so we got the message machine and sure enough it was dog, 5 minutes later he calls back and proceeds to get mad at the guy because i guess he had been calling all week trying to look cool for people, anywho this has nothing to do with what your talkin about but thought id share
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Old Dec 14, 06
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THE BIGGEST THING IS TO RECOGNIZE YOUR BOTTLENECKS AND DEAL WITH THEM

A WINDOWS BOX WILL ALWAYS SWAP TO DISK NO MATTER HOW MUCH RAM YOU PUT IN IT, ERGO IT MAY BE WORTH YOUR TIME/MONEY TO PICK UP SOME FAST HARD DISKS. WHILE SCSI IS PROBABLY OUT OF YOUR PRICE RANGE, ONE OR TWO WD RAPTORS (10k RPM SATA) DISKS WILL SPEED YOU UP A LOT. YOU COULD BUY 3 AND RAID 5 THEM, WHICH WOULD GIVE YOU INCREASED SPEED AS WELL AS FAULT TOLERANCE IN CASE ONE DIES.
Spoken like an experienced Sys Admin!!!
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Old Dec 14, 06
tiestn vancorstenfold
 
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an expirienced sys admin wouldnt be working with windows :)
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Old Dec 14, 06
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ACTUALLY AN EXPERIENCED SYSADMIN WORKS WITH WHAT THE CLIENT WANTS AND GIVES THEM THE BEST POSSIBLE SYSTEM FOR THEIR PARAMETERS

I AM HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE AGNOSTIC
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Old Dec 14, 06
tiestn vancorstenfold
 
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yeah, but if they want their pc server to not meltdown and cause the other servers to go blammo, they'd switch to unix.

do you jerk off in the colo room?
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Old Dec 14, 06
tiestn vancorstenfold
 
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I did when i was doing server colo.
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Old Dec 14, 06
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an expirienced sys admin wouldnt be working with windows :)
haha you obviously don't know what you're talking about.

and seriously, no professional water cools their cpu.
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