Serato Scratch Live SSL vs Traktor Scratch?

[dj_soo]

Originally Posted by Kraig

^^ Werd... you can all skool me on the embedded features of this mixer. I've only played out live on it 2 times. To expensive for clubs to purchase.

i've been seeing a couple pop up in various clubs around town - Republic just got one for the upstairs room...

[Kraig]

Nice... yeah so did Tunnel club. I wish that mixer was 3 channels though.

[Drazkers]

Originally Posted by Akeel

^^
that did it for me - serato it is...i've found most setups i'm dj'ing on these days always have 2 cdjs as well so I can use those for acapellas and the such.

Good choice.

Another thing that has a tendency to make most DVS's crash are power surges or changes. This isn't a problem when you have a proper setup, but if you share a power strip with something that suddenly kicks on and off it can cause stability problems. An example would be a smaller smoke machine, had a situation where every time it kicked on people would have lock ups.

[-evil-duerr-]

i only use traktor3.2 with midi controllers, and have yet to try scratch live.. but I can't stress enough how dope this program is. I've played out with it several times and people always come up to me after my set asking me what kind of gear I'm using and are always surprised to hear me say TRAKTOR!!!

having learned how to dj on turntables , I much prefer playing with midi + traktor now a days.. Since getting a new laptop, there's been absolutely no issues with stability. It's quite solid. and the amazing features (cue points,looping,bpm,fx, 4 decks,key shift) really step up the ammount of creativity you can put into your sets.

I've used it to create many types of styles of mixes. mashup, straight up dance, down tempo.. you name it. So it isn't limited to dance music/edm like some would suggest.

It's nice to see people are starting to pay attention to this program.

[DefJef]

Any speculation as to whether or not Serato will support more virtual decks in upcoming versions??

[ppcock]

yep, i agree with T's reply.

Not much more to say.
I've gone to a few industrial nights where the dj's are using traktor. I personally despise auto beatmatch. Esp, if you're not very good at mixing to begin with. Sure they're beatmatched, but are they on time? Nope.

Traktor can be a powerful program in the right hands, Serato is just a cheap, alternative to vinyl.
I myself use Torq, either upgrading to CDJ's or getting Serato in the near future.

and torq is a piece of shit. Purchase upgrades?! UGH!

[Drazkers]

Originally Posted by ppcock

yep, i agree with T's reply.

Not much more to say.
I've gone to a few industrial nights where the dj's are using traktor. I personally despise auto beatmatch. Esp, if you're not very good at mixing to begin with. Sure they're beatmatched, but are they on time? Nope.

Traktor can be a powerful program in the right hands, Serato is just a cheap, alternative to vinyl.
I myself use Torq, either upgrading to CDJ's or getting Serato in the near future.

and torq is a piece of shit. Purchase upgrades?! UGH!

1.07 is coming out free, there is just a special version that requires purchase, anyone who has read the feature list really can't bitch and complain about an extra 50$. Its similar to how Serato requires you to have the Rane TTM 57SL mixer for the video add on. Could Rane had made it so any midi mixer did the job, yes, but their job is to make money. That mixer is a great one, but if you only want the video plug in then its not such a great deal.

If you wanted to complain about Torqs browser then upgrade to scratch live thats a VERY valid statement, but complaining about an extra 50$ for a dvs that is half the price of scratch live is kinda redundant, your still getting a better deal with a alot more features.

What are your issues with it?

[dj_soo]

^ did they ever fix that volume disparity between vinyl and digital yet?

[-evil-duerr-]

Originally Posted by ppcock

I've gone to a few industrial nights where the dj's are using traktor. I personally despise auto beatmatch. Esp, if you're not very good at mixing to begin with. Sure they're beatmatched, but are they on time? Nope.

theres a couple different ways to beatmatch with traktor.



the sync feature (auto bpm) isn't 100%, it gives you a good idea but unless your toggling the pitch throughout the mix, the mix will fall apart as you can't rely solely on the sync button . This is the fun way because it actually takes some effort to keep your mix in sync, making for a mixing experience similar to that of vinyl/cd.

for a less fun, but more surgical ableton like approach; you also have the option to beatgrid each track so that only minimal ammount of focus is spent on beatmatching your mix.

[Drazkers]

Originally Posted by dj_soo

^ did they ever fix that volume disparity between vinyl and digital yet?

May be a minor fix in the release thats coming out this month, long as you know about the issue its easy to fix the volume. Altho it does cause panic the first time you try it(live event for me).

[Phrenetic]

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

the sync feature (auto bpm) isn't 100%, it gives you a good idea but unless your toggling the pitch throughout the mix, the mix will fall apart as you can't rely solely on the sync button . This is the fun way because it actually takes some effort to keep your mix in sync, making for a mixing experience similar to that of vinyl/cd.

I Used to have the sync button locked on my Controller so it was always on. it worked to constantly keep it "locked"

[dj_soo]

Originally Posted by Drazkers

May be a minor fix in the release thats coming out this month, long as you know about the issue its easy to fix the volume. Altho it does cause panic the first time you try it(live event for me).

what pissed me off was they tried to pass the issue off as part of the design claiming that it "wasn't a big deal" which to many it obviously was.

[Drazkers]

I think its one of the bigger issues combined with having to press the tempo lock whenever your in external mode. Sure there are quick fixes, but it really detracts from the ease of use at times. Its such a huge feature for Torq, switching from digital to vinyl with a quick flick. Program locks up, boom, go to wax while you restart the program. They have a larger free update coming out at the end of june that is all about stability and bug patching, it really should be fixed.

[dj_soo]

that issue was one of many annoying design features (not even talking about bugs) that made me abandon torq within a month to switch to serato.

[Revolver]

so.

traktor EXCELLENT at playing tunes with midi controllers(and vynl cds if you want) wich more and more djs do everyday and its going to get more popular.

serato EXCELLENT at no-bullshit vynl control and holds a superior install base due to cred of the RANE name and full on support from vynl *aherm* purists.

terrence your totally right about me running serato on the ibook and traktor on the MBpro...makes alot more sense that way.

needless to say im stoaked!

[Phrenetic]

Originally Posted by Revolver

so.

traktor EXCELLENT at playing tunes with midi controllers(and vynl cds if you want) wich more and more djs do everyday and its going to get more popular.

serato EXCELLENT at no-bullshit vynl control and holds a superior install base due to cred of the RANE name and full on support from vynl *aherm* purists.

terrence your totally right about me running serato on the ibook and traktor on the MBpro...makes alot more sense that way.

needless to say im stoaked!

why cant you spell "VINYL" ?

[Phrenetic]

HUNGRY?

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by Phrenetic

why cant you spell "VINYL" ?

habit, misspelled it for years that way.

[Phrenetic]

i wanna go eat at VYNL now :(

[-evil-duerr-]

Originally Posted by Phrenetic

I Used to have the sync button locked on my Controller so it was always on. it worked to constantly keep it "locked"

hmm that might work for mixing hard style......

but there are a number of reasons why this wouldn't work for multi-genre mixing, without doing extensive beat gridding first...

[dj_soo]

Originally Posted by Revolver

so.

traktor EXCELLENT at playing tunes with midi controllers(and vynl cds if you want) wich more and more djs do everyday and its going to get more popular.

serato EXCELLENT at no-bullshit vynl control and holds a superior install base due to cred of the RANE name and full on support from vynl *aherm* purists.

terrence your totally right about me running serato on the ibook and traktor on the MBpro...makes alot more sense that way.

needless to say im stoaked!

Scratch Live is excellent at playing with control cds too. Future iterations of scratch will support devices that produce the control signal w/o the CD too (they are working on CDJ400 support).

[Kraig]

^^ I play my house sets with the control CD's. Been flawless for me.

PS: to those peeps that tag with DJ's that play with "Master Tempo" engaged - Serato hates that so if you notice it on, click it off. Bummer as I used Master Tempo all the time when I used to play off CD's.

[Phrenetic]

i never really seen the point of control cds. care to explain what the point is anyone?

[ebbomega]

I've heard of it being done. Best I can figure it's if you like the interface of a CDJ better than vinyl.

[Phrenetic]

technically speaking i dont see a point. burn a cd? a laptop and SSL Box are an extra 2 things that could fail.

Most cd players play mp3s now anyway...