Producers Opinion on FL Studio 6 / Cubase SX3 / Acid Pro 4

AAA · #1 (**permalink**) Mar 18, 06

I am just wondering what DNB producers think of those 3 programs I am a big fan of Cubase SX but i find all the midi capabilities are way more flexible in FL 6 however ppl have very lil respect for it because of its lay out ... I know the new FL allows you to ReWire it with SX or Acid pro has anyone tried doing it? For some weird reason i just cant get it to work maybe if anyone here has any experience in using either of those programs can help me out .

Would also like to know what most of you use for producing.

b0ld · #2 (**permalink**) Mar 18, 06

honestly doesn't matter what you use... it all comes down to how you use it....

If I were to tell you what program I am using in my latest project that you can have a sneak peak under http://www.xirrus.ca/project/xirrus%...experiment.mp3

then people who roll over the floor crying...... again its how you use your tools. And yes there is still alot to be done on this track. mastering and such...

Goodfellow · #3 (**permalink**) Mar 19, 06

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Originally Posted by b0ld

honestly doesn't matter what you use... it all comes down to how you use it....

If I were to tell you what program I am using in my latest project that you can have a sneak peak under http://www.xirrus.ca/project/xirrus%...experiment.mp3

then people who roll over the floor crying...... again its how you use your tools. And yes there is still alot to be done on this track. mastering and such...

So you're tryin to tell people it doesn't matter what tools they use... when its pretty evident the tools you used to make that beat are not top notch.

Goodfellow · #4 (**permalink**) Mar 19, 06

Id like to hear peoples take on FL studio 6.. Im partial to cubase SX3 just because Ive been using it for so long and it has everything I need. however I used to use fruityloops before SX3 and I found it retardedly easy to make a catchy sound , so I was thinkin of using it again and combining the 2 maybe.

mux · #5 (**permalink**) Mar 19, 06

*shrug*. if it works for you, how can it be wrong?

I don't understand how Fruity Loops could have "way more MIDI flexibility" than Cubase, one of the original MIDI sequencers, but then again I haven't done much with FL since playing briefly with FL3 a few years ago.

FWIW, I'm digging Live 5. The MIDI implementation could use some improvement, but so far it's pretty much doing everything I want, and way smoother and more intuitively than any other software I've tried.

b0ld · #6 (**permalink**) Mar 19, 06

ok well check out this guy

http://www.myspace.com/producersnafu

All of the tracks he makes are all done in fruity loops... Nothing else....

Jef Harly · #7 (**permalink**) Mar 19, 06

im not a Dnb producer....i but i do use cubase and personally i think its the bomb....and thats the one you should use.....my suggestion is to not even bother with fruity because even thow its an easy to use program theres alot of downfalls to it.....liek the sound quality of your track isnt the same....if you listen to a track written on cubase compared to fruity it sounds alot fuller...i find with FL theres an odd sort of empty hollowness in the tracks...they just dont sound the way they should

b0ld · #8 (**permalink**) Mar 19, 06

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Originally Posted by GoodFlow

So you're tryin to tell people it doesn't matter what tools they use... when its pretty evident the tools you used to make that beat are not top notch.

unless you know how to use the tool accordingly then you can master a technique so that you have a track that sounds good. Its like anything, you can go out and get some analog equipment like an akai mpc-1000, future retro 777, or a virus c. Now yes it may be so called "top quality products but the question is can you use it... do you know how to use it... Alot of people will look at fruity loops and look at the main layout of it and then close the window... Well quite frankly there is alot of stuff to fruity loops that one may not know.

project.one · #9 (**permalink**) Mar 19, 06

I agree with Bold. There are alot of programs out there. It doesnt matter which ones your use or whatever, its the end product that matters! Use what works well for you!
As for the programs in question;
FL Studio 6 - As soon as I get it installed (ie: find the CD) Ill let you know!
Cubase SX3 - Good program. Fiddle with it, figure out how to use it and youll be good. Its well made I thought!
Acid Pro 4 - Good program as well. Good to put loops togeather (align, not to make them) But not much else!

Im sure you want a big long description. But I think if I did then I would get biased, and everyone is different. Again, all I can say is to try them out and see what works for you!

Sorry if that didnt help at all!

Goodfellow · #10 (**permalink**) Mar 20, 06

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Originally Posted by b0ld

unless you know how to use the tool accordingly then you can master a technique so that you have a track that sounds good. Its like anything, you can go out and get some analog equipment like an akai mpc-1000, future retro 777, or a virus c. Now yes it may be so called "top quality products but the question is can you use it... do you know how to use it... Alot of people will look at fruity loops and look at the main layout of it and then close the window... Well quite frankly there is alot of stuff to fruity loops that one may not know.

I wasn't bashing fruity loops , but I just think if you say "you gotta know how to use the tools" then you should back it up , cept you didn't.

I agree, it doesn't really matter if you're using fruity loops or cubase or any kind of fancy equipment or w/e you can get amazing results with enough practice on anything.. learning curve on fruity loops I found was shorter but it doesn't have certain things better programs have.

Goodfellow · #11 (**permalink**) Mar 20, 06

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Originally Posted by Jef Harly

im not a Dnb producer....i but i do use cubase and personally i think its the bomb....and thats the one you should use.....my suggestion is to not even bother with fruity because even thow its an easy to use program theres alot of downfalls to it.....liek the sound quality of your track isnt the same....if you listen to a track written on cubase compared to fruity it sounds alot fuller...i find with FL theres an odd sort of empty hollowness in the tracks...they just dont sound the way they should

I know exactly what you mean man , I make beats in cubase and my friend (who, in my opinion is better at makin beats..) makes beats in FruityLoops .. cept his have a sorta hollow empty thang goin on like you described and the end result just isn't as nice.

the shit outta cubase sounds so clean and full

AAA · #12 (**permalink**) Mar 20, 06

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Originally Posted by Jef Harly

im not a Dnb producer....i but i do use cubase and personally i think its the bomb....and thats the one you should use.....my suggestion is to not even bother with fruity because even thow its an easy to use program theres alot of downfalls to it.....liek the sound quality of your track isnt the same....if you listen to a track written on cubase compared to fruity it sounds alot fuller...i find with FL theres an odd sort of empty hollowness in the tracks...they just dont sound the way they should

Yeah I agree FL does have this thing for bad mp3 encoding to fix that i export tracks in raw 32bit float wav file and then use Sound Forge to convert it to 192kbit mp3 seems to fix the problem. I must say though FL 6 undergone a lot of chnages since FL3 i would say its almost two different programs now. I wish they changed their mp3 encoder cause "LAME" encoder straight up sucks balls, they need a better engine then that before I'd give them those 5/5 they are aiming to get.

AAA · #13 (**permalink**) Mar 20, 06

Here is an example of how mp3s sound if incoded fully in fl6 fucking weird seems like the encoder complitelty bypasses the compressor and all the channles volumes just sound so strange and jumpy and yet hollow ...

http://s15.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0...C0FHQ2GNQQFNPM

tiedye · #14 (**permalink**) Mar 20, 06

^^^
you can definately hear the hollowness on a pumpin speaker setup like mine... I like the tune though man. Definately some happy jump-up dnb.

Other people have told me that if you take an mp3 from FL6 and import it into something like Cubase then you can master the shit out of it, but I'm not sure. I only produce tracks for my own enjoyment, so I haven't really gotten into mastering yet.

Ask TeCHniX.. he's got mastering skillz.

(val)Liam · #15 (**permalink**) Mar 20, 06

I agree with b0ld... because when you listen to the demo songs on FL6 or Reason, they sound very well done...

FL6 is really easy to make beats with... but I didn't like its key editor system... I use reason now and then because I have tons of really nice refills but if I ever found a program that could unpack the refills I'd just switch all those banks over to kontakt... it would save me a lot of bullshit for sure... cubase (imo) is probably the most balanced program... has everything I need and its fairly well organized...

AAA · #16 (**permalink**) Mar 20, 06

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Originally Posted by tiedye

^^^
you can definately hear the hollowness on a pumpin speaker setup like mine... I like the tune though man. Definately some happy jump-up dnb.

Other people have told me that if you take an mp3 from FL6 and import it into something like Cubase then you can master the shit out of it, but I'm not sure. I only produce tracks for my own enjoyment, so I haven't really gotten into mastering yet.

Ask TeCHniX.. he's got mastering skillz.

Thanks. TeCHniX? wikked i will pm him maybe he can help me out a bit with that shit.