Ganja VS McDonald's

[pstylez]

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

The definition of Withdrawal,
"The collective symptoms that occur when a drug is abruptly withdrawn and known as "withdrawal syndrome" and are often the only evidence of physical dependence"

According to animal research and controlled studies of marijuana smokers during treatment of addiction, suggest that marijuana , just like with other drugs of addiction, experience withdrawal symptoms of many types. Symptoms of marijuana addiction are similar to smoking tobacco, the craving.

Marijuana withdraw symptoms include, irritability, anger, depressed mood, headaches, restlessness, lack of appetite, and cravings for marijuana. Symptoms of marijuana withdrawal first appear in serious habitual users within the first 8 hours and are the most noticeable during the first 10 days, but withdrawal symptoms may last as long as 45 days The withdrawal from marijuana is identifiable by behavioral and emotional distress.



“Most people think marijuana is a benign drug, and there is disagreement in the scientific community about whether withdrawal causes significant symptoms. I think that it depends on the persons personality. For an example, some one who has a history of anger, depression, brain disorders, or even uses another drug with marijuana, can boost the symptoms of marijuana withdrawal. People who use marijuana without thinking of consequences also show a great deal of withdraw because there altered perception or ideas on marijuana and feel that they have a need for it.

The best way to avoid the symptoms are to use it in small doses and avoid taking it on a daily basis. Using marijuana takes allot of responsibility in deciding when the drug is appropriate to use at the current time. Its not good for a person to think that they can do anything "normal" while using marijuana because it leads to habitual use. it's like drinking and driving, Don't smoke if you are going to do something that requires allot of concentration , labor, operating a vehicle or machinery. Its just common sense. The symptoms of marijuana withdrawal include but are not limited to:


irritability
anxiety
physical tension
decreases in appetite and mood
stomach pain
physical tension
restlessness
anorexia
insomnia
increased aggression / anger
strange dreams

Because Marijuana is an illegal substance, many people consider any use of marijuana as substance abuse. However, this is said because substance abuse is a maladaptive pattern of repeated substance use created by recurring common adverse consequences (effects and side effects). Not everyone suffers the withdraw symptoms of marijuana, and uses it just to have a good time, or for an recent injury that is causing allot of pain (broken bone, major burn, abrasion, chronic pain). Its good to practice to take a break from marijuana for a month or longer so the withdraw symptoms can be identified by the person themselves and countered with a few remedies that really work.






Marijuana withdrawal And Symptoms of Marijuana Addiction

Through this entire reply I saw not ONE mention of how it compares to how McDonalds shuts down your kidneys and liver. Not one mention... ;)

[pstylez]

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

marijuana withdrawal isn't a myth, I've tried to quit and each time have fallen flat on my face.

this is coming from someone who has successfully kicked much harder substance addictions. Like the article said, it depends on the person. But to deny it completely is just bogus.

My suggestion is look up endocannabinoids. Maybe the withdrawal symptoms are synonimous with having a family pet die, or a loved one. My theory on the symboitic relationship between humans and marijuana may not be rediculous. The same type of horomones that keep use stable upstairs are similar to those found in the marijuana plant.

Endocannabinoids

Check that website out. If you ever had any doubts about the REAL possibilities of what the plant is all about this will BLOW YOUR FREAKIN MIND!

By the way, still havent heard of marijuana shutting down somebodys lymphatic system and other bodies filtering systems like a diet of McDonalds would... :)

[ebbomega]

Study Could Help Clinicians Treat Marijuana Addiction And Withdrawal Symptoms

[robyn]

now that you're in BC, defending you marijuana use is not only unnecessary, it's also quite toolish.

[pstylez]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Study Could Help Clinicians Treat Marijuana Addiction And Withdrawal Symptoms

My link is better :P

[Ms.Tarantula]

ugh what a bunch of fucking stoners

































































:P

[jenai]

i see a lot of posters on here who could get medical disability by getting a gene test right now for their genetic predisposition for addiction, but you need to run amok after smoking too much pot and THC doesn't do that until after the buzz.

regarding avid, ivermectin and other mectins do not cause any noticeable cholinergic side effects so no psychosis from smoking bud is due to it. u basically have to inject the stuff into your veins to get a reaction, too.

i highly doubt there is enough avid residue to account for paranoia cases from "bad" weed.

however, the main concern is neurotoxicity.

in most mammals this may manifest as CNS depression, and consequent ataxia (you have trouble walking and maintaining coordination), as might be expected from potentiation of inhibitory GABA-ergic synapses.

as GABA-ergic synapses are affected, it cannot be concluded from that that the dopamine-serotonin system will be impacted enough to lead to a psychotic crisis, except if the person *decides* to panic because he can't walk straight.

however, thc also causes ataxia so nobody stoned on pot is gonna be too worried about avid poisoning.

the wikipedia entry for ivermectin says:
"Extrapolated to an 80 kg (180 lb) human, the semi-lethal dose is 52 g (1.9 oz)..."

I doubt there is even 2 grams of avid in an ounce of pot.

besides, thc will mask any sign of mild avid intoxication.

tho i think we need the input of people put on ivermectin for a bad case of scabies before i go on.

overall though, paranoia from thc consumption is noted as a possible side effect,and is more related to total overall use i.e. chronics report more of it than casual users.

[pstylez]

Originally Posted by Ms.Tarantula

ugh what a bunch of fucking stoners

































































:P

Hey watch it! Wait... what was I gonna say? :wondering:

[pstylez]

Originally Posted by jenai

i see a lot of posters on here who could get medical disability by getting a gene test right now for their genetic predisposition for addiction, but you need to run amok after smoking too much pot and THC doesn't do that until after the buzz.

regarding avid, ivermectin and other mectins do not cause any noticeable cholinergic side effects so no psychosis from smoking bud is due to it. u basically have to inject the stuff into your veins to get a reaction, too.

i highly doubt there is enough avid residue to account for paranoia cases from "bad" weed.

however, the main concern is neurotoxicity.

in most mammals this may manifest as CNS depression, and consequent ataxia (you have trouble walking and maintaining coordination), as might be expected from potentiation of inhibitory GABA-ergic synapses.

as GABA-ergic synapses are affected, it cannot be concluded from that that the dopamine-serotonin system will be impacted enough to lead to a psychotic crisis, except if the person *decides* to panic because he can't walk straight.

however, thc also causes ataxia so nobody stoned on pot is gonna be too worried about avid poisoning.

the wikipedia entry for ivermectin says:
"Extrapolated to an 80 kg (180 lb) human, the semi-lethal dose is 52 g (1.9 oz)..."

I doubt there is even 2 grams of avid in an ounce of pot.

besides, thc will mask any sign of mild avid intoxication.

tho i think we need the input of people put on ivermectin for a bad case of scabies before i go on.

overall though, paranoia from thc consumption is noted as a possible side effect,and is more related to total overall use i.e. chronics report more of it than casual users.

Damn, you speak in a clinical manner. Are you a doctor or a pharmacist? Do you know about the endocannabinoids regulating your apetite in the brain? Fun stuff. The only stuff I know about health and the body is what I read online. I chose to be an engineer rather than going pre-med. All that clinical mumbo-jumbo makes my brain hurt.

[jenai]

dude, i was a candidate for Surrey:Newton for the 2001 provincial election for the BCMP.

I can debunk the "someone put coke in my pot" excuse for thc-related paranoia.

edit: paranoia is a symptom of chronic abuse of marijuana, not adulterated pot.

it's your mind telling you to cut down and relish the experience when sober.

[DefJef]

this thread reminds me of back in high school when id skip class and go eat 'mcdonalds' with my buddies........we'd all laugh our asses off and then get slurpees, good times.

[Ms.Tarantula]

^ karma.

'cause you said slurpee.

[-evil-duerr-]

I think my tone has been misinterpreted as anti-marijuana, which couldn't be farther from the truth. I've chosen to use this drug over pharmaceuticals after weighing out the side effects of each and choosing what would better suit my needs in a medication.

I just think it is important for people who use substances to be aware of what they're putting into their bodies and the possibility of complications arising. The typical stoner mentality seems to be that cannabis is a harmless blessing, which can be true if used cautiously; but chronic smoking of the substance will without a doubt lead to health complications if continued for any real length of time.

[pstylez]

More legitimate legal research needs to be done on marijuana on many fronts, let me explain:

Smoke itself can cause holes in the brain and long term effects. So, maybe study marijuana just being consumed as a food or vaporized. Take the carcinogens away and see what happens. It is long known that carcinogens punch holes in the ol' grey matter.

Study the endocannabinoid system in the brain to see if the cannabinoids in marijuana actually have a positive long term effect in the brain.

I will bet that the psychosis and braincell-killing effects are zip-to-none.

Another thing I wanted to address... Marijuana still has a lower blood toxicity (by itself not including carcinogens caused by burning of leaves) than does caffeine.

Lastly you are correct evil duerr, as with all the pharmacuticals there should be a disclaimer on all possible side effects of the drug. Most side effects of most pharmacuticals (sic) range from 15% to 1% of the population it affects (according to the FDA). Mind you these drugs are man made with studies which havent occured over the span of one generation. Unlike marijuana which has been tested true for thousands of generatons.

[ebbomega]

I will bet that the psychosis and braincell-killing effects are zip-to-none.

They've actually shown that THC increases brain cell production, thus helping fight depression.

[pstylez]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

I will bet that the psychosis and braincell-killing effects are zip-to-none.

They've actually shown that THC increases brain cell production, thus helping fight depression.

You owe me 5 bucks, you know that right?

[ebbomega]

K, but you still have yet to provide a citation regarding the long-term effects of smoking weed being detrimental to health. All you gave me was long-winded circumstantial theorizing, without any evidence to back it up.

[pstylez]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

K, but you still have yet to provide a citation regarding the long-term effects of smoking weed being detrimental to health. All you gave me was long-winded circumstantial theorizing, without any evidence to back it up.

Ummm, wait. I never said there was a long-term effect of smoking weed. In fact I have said everything but that. Are you talking to me? Because it seems like you are starting an argument with somebody else. Not that I mind arguments, far be it I love an intelligent argument, but please specify because I am not seeing what you are saying... please help me see what you are saying so I can retort.

[RochesterSS]

Originally Posted by pstylez

Which is worse for you? To me the answer is clearly obvious. Mothers and fathers take their children to these fast food places and destroy their bodies fragile balance through adolescence by shoveling this "food" into their mouths under the premise of a good meal. Up to 70% of these same people say that smoking pot is such a terrible drug and should never be made legal.

What do you think does more long term physiological damage to you? McDonalds? Or the Ganja?

My parents took me to mcdonalds once in a while for a treat when I was a kid. I take offense to that you filthy f4ggot.

[ebbomega]

There's a difference between having parents that let you go every few weeks or so as a treat and parents too lazy to cook real food for their kids just defaulting to McDick's every night.

If you want to lump yourself with the latter, by all means take offense. But you're the one who comes out of it looking like a neglected child.

Course, that would explain a lot.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by pstylez

Ummm, wait. I never said there was a long-term effect of smoking weed. In fact I have said everything but that. Are you talking to me? Because it seems like you are starting an argument with somebody else. Not that I mind arguments, far be it I love an intelligent argument, but please specify because I am not seeing what you are saying... please help me see what you are saying so I can retort.

No worries, I got my lines crossed between you and duerr. Uncrossing them my whole comment is pointless. Please ignore the man behind the curtain. Nothing to see here kids.

[ebbomega]

PS: What do I owe you a fin for?

[-evil-duerr-]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

K, but you still have yet to provide a citation regarding the long-term effects of smoking weed being detrimental to health. All you gave me was long-winded circumstantial theorizing, without any evidence to back it up.

Just because it hasn't been documented in a lab doesn't mean it isn't so. My good buddy's grandfather used to be a huge pot smoker, never smoked cigarettes. He had to quit smoking the stuff when he turned 50 and is now on a heavy regime of lung disease meds.
-I've got several more stories like this I could share too.


My arguments are based on personal/anecdotal evidence I've witnessed firsthand, not circumstantial theorizing.

[ebbomega]

K, in my personal opinion anecdotal evidence and circumstantial theorizing are kind of one and the same. In either case it doesn't make the claims any less plausible, but does mean they haven't been tested. But that's okay, there's a lot in this universe that hasn't been tested.

What types of lung diseases have you encountered? The Big C has been tested as a write-off for ganj smoke.... I'd imagine Athsma, pneumonia and other similar ones?

[pstylez]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

There's a difference between having parents that let you go every few weeks or so as a treat and parents too lazy to cook real food for their kids just defaulting to McDick's every night.

If you want to lump yourself with the latter, by all means take offense. But you're the one who comes out of it looking like a neglected child.

Course, that would explain a lot.

Thank you very much for your defense in my absense. I would have said nothing different. :love: