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Apr 16, 04
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Pursuit of Spiritualism
Some people here.......fine alot of people on here's drug use is based on raves, or simply recreational shits and giggles. But does anyone do drugs to for the actual experience, enhancing their lives, and perspectives somehow. When I do shrooms, or smoke weed, the trips are in pursuit of spiritualism and self discovery. I've solved alot of problems i've had through deep, weed induced thought, and mushroom journeys. Problems dealing with inner demons as well as school work. They have brought me to to a steady calm in life and exactly where i want to be in every respect. Thought?
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Apr 16, 04
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doing e was a total spirtual thing for me... i know drugs are bad and im not a drug abuser like half the people that do E... but it gave me a whole new perspective on things..... it was a good thing. but now im done with that! :)
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Apr 16, 04
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E gave me the most intense experiences.. i remember rolling down the window of my car after boxing and me and my friend thought we had been reborn into some new world haha.. but mush always gave me more of a furfilled natural connection with my mind and the world around me..
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Apr 17, 04
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I've had some interesting experiences that's for sure. After a night of doing Pure MDMA... came outside and I'd never felt so refreshed or happy to be up at 7am ever in my life.
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Apr 17, 04
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perspective is everything, glad you are exploring boundaries, it's nice to know at least some people out there aren't solely focused on getting fucked up.
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Apr 17, 04
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good thread. i did e for the first time last saturday at twisted. now i didn't go into it with the mindset you are talking about at first (more for the music), but during the high it was the most amazing, indescribable experience. i've spent the last few days since twisted just totally analyzing the whole experience and how it changed me, because i can say 100% it changed me. the next time i do e i will definitely go into it with a different mind set and hopefully the experience will be just as rewarding or more!
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Apr 18, 04
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I'll grant that my initial usage of various drugs was based more on curiosity than spiritualism, but a few times I did manage to reach that epiphany that can be claimed through deep meditation.
However, one shouldn't have to rely on drugs to continuously reach such moments. They are great for opening the door, but it is up to the individual to keep it open afterwards.
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Apr 19, 04
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I do a fair share of different herbal drugs to reach an altered state for the purpose of self introspection and spirituality. I've tripped a few times on various cacti, paruvian torch and peyote, which have given me some interesting times and some very odd insights into the self and the nature of personal spirituality.
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Apr 19, 04
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I can see how E would make me feel like I've thought of or felt something new and important. But to me it doesn't count. When I come down I know it was all just the E.
I don't like having to do drugs to figure out how I feel about things or to have an epiphany. Plus, I've come up w/ much more while being sober. And if I can do it while sober than it means more to me. If that makes any sence. Last edited by Rhianna; Apr 19, 04 at 08:03 PM.
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Apr 19, 04
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Rhianna what you said made perfect sense. All I can say is that when I did E it kind of helped awakened what was already there you know? Reflecting back on the experience it's something I don't think I could have found while sober. I am grateful for the trip. Everyone is different, you are probably luckier in the sense you can do it sober. Hell maybe doing E the one time for me would kickstart something similar..that would be cool lol.
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Apr 19, 04
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Apr 19, 04
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Exactly. I think alot of people are under a false impression that they need to chow shrooms or do e to be able to achieve that deep introspective state. When in reality theres nothing stopping you from achieving that state while sober. Like Rhianna said, it would be alot more rewarding if you have such profound ephiphanies while sober. Its easy to eat a bunch of shrooms and think about life for a couple hours but it takes alot of focus to do it while youre sober. And in the end it says alot more about your character.
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Apr 20, 04
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An altered state, where your mind can move more freely, and express more hidden thoughts, can be much easier to achieve under the influence of drugs. Our sober, everyday minds can get wrapped up in distractions too much to think clearly. There is something to be said of relaxing your inhibitions, even if it is only to yourself.
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Apr 20, 04
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understandable. but dont you think that if you are strong enough to overcome those everyday distractions by yourself that the results will be much more rewarding?
like i said in my last post, its pretty easy to pick up a bag of shrooms and eat a couple grams but it takes disicipline and focus to acheive that same state while sober, which in the end says alot more for your personality and character.
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Apr 20, 04
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there are a lot of things the sober mind simply cannot understand/comprehend, certain drugs remove mental barriers that make things....possibile.
Introspection and meditation without influence is great, but one cannot make the argument that they outperform any mental or psychological trip w/ a drug of choice. sober introspection removes physiological barriers, an un-sober trip involves the removal of physiological barriers, _and_ chemical ones. I agree that a spiritual dependance on a drug is a negative thing. I think what defines a drug user and reflects their character even moreso than sober introspection is his or her's ability to synthesize what happens in an altered state, and what doesn't. axion: introspection and thinking sober does feel great, but some of the aspects of a 'trip' that users relish the most cannot be done without chemical interference, it is physiologically impossible. Last edited by mikefasssy; Apr 20, 04 at 03:03 AM. Reason: adding stuff
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Apr 20, 04
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good post.
but i highly disagree that chemicals are the only way for someone to manipulate thier chemical and physiological state. for thousands of years people have been putting themselves into trance states through song, dance, meditation ect. if you look at a brain scan of someone under the influence of a psychedelic drug and someone in a meditation induced trance their brain activity is almost the same.
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Apr 20, 04
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yes, _certain_ brain activity is the same, eeg's can prove that, but some things cannot be reproduced without a chemical agent.
neurotransmitters (and clones) CANNOT be artifiically produced by meditation etc. through meditation i would assume (i'm not an expert) that you eventually get to the point where you can stimulate the release of certain neurons, but it would be impossible to actually produce and flood brain synapses with them. reuptake CANNOT be inhibited by meditation etc, that type of mind-body relationship simply doesn't exist. I'm not trying to bash sober forms of thinking/learning but I think that there is a distinct difference between the two, and comparing them doesn't really do either justice.
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Apr 20, 04
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hmm that i did not know, you learn something new everyday.
im not trying to discredit people who use chemicals for this purpose it's just that alot of the time i think that the introspection you do while high is perfectly attainable when one is sober. the difference is that when you are high those same thoughts seem alot more profound. if that makes any sense at all.
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Apr 20, 04
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i definately find that positive thoughts and feelings that i experiance while high transfer over to my real life as well. If it still makes good sense while you're sober how can you ignore it?
having thoughts that other wise would have taken me a long time to formulate definately has been a pleasent effect of drug use
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Apr 20, 04
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