Pursuit of Spiritualism

[Rytalin]

I agree with you all on the fact that we SHOULDN'T nessassarily need drugs for spiritual experience. Thing is, society's gone to such great measures to block out true spirituality and serve us little snippets of it in the form of religion, that at this point, drugs are one of the most efficient ways to get yourself spiritually open/connected/understanding.

The people in power would much rather have a farm of human batteries than a society of free-thinking beings.

[MrSinister]

^ I agree


and to this: for thousands of years people have been putting themselves into trance states through song, dance, meditation ect.

and for thousands of years, tribes and such have been doing drugs while putting themselves into trances, singing, dancing, meditating, etc...though the word 'drug' never existed, it was for spiritual enlightment, and i'm sure some form of entertainment as well.

I'm searching for more of these spiritual gateways, i'm growing my own san pedro, would like to get my hands on peyote and of course, the now ever so elusive acid trip...not to mention other herbs and shiite.

[axion]

Rytalin: You're exactly right man. Theres are so many different types of spiritual experiences that one can have. The one thing i will say about doing drugs for this purpose is that they will give you a unique experience that cannot be replicated by any other sober method such as meditation ect.

Originally Posted by MrSinister

^ I agree


and to this: for thousands of years people have been putting themselves into trance states through song, dance, meditation ect.

and for thousands of years, tribes and such have been doing drugs while putting themselves into trances, singing, dancing, meditating, etc...though the word 'drug' never existed, it was for spiritual enlightment, and i'm sure some form of entertainment as well.

I'm searching for more of these spiritual gateways, i'm growing my own san pedro, would like to get my hands on peyote and of course, the now ever so elusive acid trip...not to mention other herbs and shiite.

thats not true, look at something like people goign into a trance and speaking tounges in southern baptist churches. this is something that still happens to this day and these people are completely sober.

[lucyinthesky]

again good to see people doin some drugs for a good reason
when i first started smokin weed it was purely for the fun... but for the past couple years... its been really about deep thoughts...and trying to answering the unexplainable. ive done mushrooms several times... and have seen/learned some pretty cool stuff. not just about things but myself too.
the first time i did E... i really learned alot that night.
i think drugs in a way has made me appreciate the littlest things.
what i love doing is smoking a couple doobies... and going on walks and observing. i love to observe and analyze. i'll walk around town... stop on a grassy hill... sit there for a minute and just watch the people... watch the trees... think about the world
how fucked up it is... how nice it is
and then just block everything out... except for that second... live in the moment... nothing matters.. but now.. the grass on my ass... the breeze... the sweet smells coming from every directions

i also love talking to my friend Katrina when im baked.. we'll just talk and talk ... and talk in metaphors for hours
our explanations of life... and existence... its good shit
i love learning
go drugs

[Revolver]

please do not do drugs kids.

when a person takes certain types of drugs and actually starts to think outside the box and break out of a programmed mind it can be scary.some people are allergic to alterd states of being, and are better suited to become bitter and unhappy bankers,lawyers and hack politicians who take different types of drugs so they can think MORE inside the box and have a sharp,programed mind.

both spectrums of thought are important and its wise to strike a balance between the two.

and you will be muuuch more happy if you are stupid,drink beer,watch lots of tv and just not be botherd about things,and want to constantly buy new things so you can identify with a brand that identifies with your indentity.

*i saw that a guest was reading this thread on the index and i got a kick out of it*

[esoter1c]

Best thread I've ever seen.

All I can say is Ayahuasca. ;)

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by esoter1c

Best thread I've ever seen.

All I can say is Ayahuasca. ;)

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!....LOL!

[M.C. BEAR]

im a spirit bear u fucks watch yo neck

[ebbomega]

I use drugs to occasionally remind myself that life is a lot of bullshit and that I can transcend it and feel good about myself regardless.

mushrooms were the first one that helped me to that understanding. Probably will forever be my main drug of choice recreationally. Visuals are awesome and if you do naturally grown BC cubensis you're in for one hell of a psychological trip.

Course, it's always a balance. I haven't really done mush in almost a year (Body Worlds in Jan. would have been the last time), but I find myself revisiting it whenever necessary (IE when I start taking life a little seriously).

[tiedye]

The irony of my drug-fuelled spiritual exploration resides in the fact that I have never appreciated day-to-day life more than after I drank the Peruvian Torch Cactus. I realized that going to work, paying the bills, having stability... these things are important because they allow you the comfort and freedom to become the person whom you would wish to be.

[SEAN!]

DUUUUDDDEWEEE like whoa, i smashed my head with a hammer and totally got spiritual an in touch with myself an shit.

I can understand the feeling tho, doing acid makes me think i understand things on a higher level, but usually its just some cool shit to laugh at. It also game me some wierd colbertesque fetish for bald eagles.

but this is coming from an atheist that really dosnt believe in anyhting.

while i guess drug use has changed my perspective on alot of things. ive come to realize that life is like a soccer game, its got two halves, ends quickly and you gotta play hard and have fun. However i feel that spiritualism/religion and shit are akin to fairytales or beleiving in santa claus its just some bullshit people make up so as a cynic its hard for me to beleive in connecting with a higher power.

[ebbomega]

A true Zen master is one who knows exactly when he is going to die. Really, the ultimate spiritual experience is death.

I find that spirituality is taking a few assumptions to be able to explain patterns in the universe's behaviour. Sometimes those patterns are either explained or refuted by science. I still don't know why spirituality and science are considered mutually exclusive.

Faith for me is simply the understanding that "The universe is OK, you don't need to worry that much about it. It's doing exactly what it's always doing." The real problem of super-religious types is that they either don't understand that at all and think that we should be saving the universe, or they're so indoctrined in that belief that when something does happen in their own lives that needs to be fixed they ignore it. Dubya is guilty of both.

[tiedye]

'The miracle is not to walk on fire, air, or water; the true miracle is to walk on earth.'
Zen Master Lin Chi

[Revolver]

no really.

LISTEN KIDS.

dont do drugs like this....

if you go far enough and have the right intent you will break through.

then you will be bored as fuck with this measly life because everything is simplified and so easy. no challenge equals HATEING AND BEING BORED OF EVERYTHING and writing/colecting comedy scripts.

your better off popin xanax and other big pharma antidespressants so you can be a miserable corporate drone just payin the morgtage and rasin the family like 'they' want you too.....

^i read that somewhere on the internet. i think its abit wacko.

[Ragga_Wh0re]

to experience spirtuality with the sober mind is much more intense then any false spirtual reality thats created for you when under the influence of drugs.

To have total and complete spiritual freedom at a young age where the mind is still ripe and free from the cancer of others idealitys and the reality of life...is truely amazing. I am speaking from personal experience. At the age of 9 I had such an incredible experience that forever changed me and solidified my relationship with my higher power. To go on and have a child years later is another reminder of the divinity that is amongst us, but we just become so engrossed with the negativity that we fail to see it. It took me having a child to be reminded of lifes beauty and that there is a plan and it reveals itself when and as needed.

So in ending, drug usage to increase spiritual thought,feelings and awareness is doing anything but. Youre chasing something that does not exist.

[starbright]

samadhi

Originally Posted by Autobiography of a Yogi, Paramahansa Yogananda

My body became immovably rooted; breath was drawn out of my lungs as if by some huge magnet. Soul and mind instantly lost their physical bondage, and streamed out like a fluid piercing light from my every pore. The flesh was as though dead, yet in my intense awareness I knew that never before had I been fully alive. My sense of identity was no longer narrowly confined to a body, but embraced the circumambient atoms. People on distant streets seemed to be moving gently over my own remote periphery. The roots of plants and trees appeared through a dim transparency of the soil; I discerned the inward flow of their sap.

The whole vicinity lay bare before me. My ordinary frontal vision was now changed to a vast spherical sight, simultaneously all perceptive. Through the back of my head I saw men strolling far down Rai Ghat Road, and noticed also a white cow who was leisurely approaching. When she reached the space in front of the open ashram gate, I observed her with my two physical eyes. As she passed by, behind the brick wall, I saw her clearly still.

All objects within my panoramic gaze trembled and vibrated like quick motion pictures. My body, Master's, the pillared courtyard, the furniture and floor, the trees and sunshine, occasionally became violently agitated, until all melted into a luminescent sea; even as sugar crystals, thrown into a glass of water, dissolve after being shaken. The unifying light alternated with materialisations of form, the metamorphoses revealing the law of cause and effect in creation.

An oceanic joy broke upon calm endless shores of my soul. The Spirit of God, I realized, is exhaustless Bliss; His body is countless tissues of light. A swelling glory within me began to envelop towns, continents, the earth, solar and stellar systems, tenuous nebulae, and floating universes. The entire cosmos, gently luminous, like a city seen afar at night, glimmered within the infinitude of my being. The sharply etched global outlines faded somewhat at the farthest edges; there I could see a mellow radiance, ever undiminished. It was indescribably subtle; the planetary pictures were formed of a grosser light.

The divine dispersion of rays poured from an Eternal Source, blazing into galaxies, transfigured with ineffable auras. Again and again I saw the creative beams condense into constellations, then resolve into sheets of transparent flame. By rhythmic reversion, sextillion worlds passed into diaphanous luster; fire became firmament.

I cognized the center of the empyrean as a point of intuitive perception in my heart. Irradiating splendor issued from my nucleus to every part of the universal structure. Blissful amrita, the nectar of immortality, pulsed through me with a quicksilver-like fluidity. The creative voice of God I heard resounding as Aum, the vibration of the Cosmic Motor.

Suddenly the breath returned to my lungs. With a disappointment almost unbearable, I realized that my infinite immensity was lost. Once more I was limited to the humiliating cage of a body, not easily accommodative to the Spirit. Like a prodigal child, I had run away from my macrocosmic home and imprisoned myself in a narrow microcosm.

[Gusto]

Originally Posted by Ragga_Wh0re

to experience spirtuality with the sober mind is much more intense then any false spirtual reality thats created for you when under the influence of drugs.

haha how the hell would you know?

[Ragga_Wh0re]

its called being clean for over 2 years...kid.Thats how id know.

[Gusto]

ahaha kid? and you don't know shit, you just think you do. "spiritual reality" as you put it is entirely subjective and something people have to experience for themselves.

besides, the example you gave was from when you were 9. i was clean then too, kid.

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by Ragga_Wh0re

its called being clean for over 2 years...kid.Thats how id know.

jesus christ lady we are talking about entheogens not heroin.

[Goodfellow]

Id have to say certain drugs are key in opening spirituality/different perspectives. Sure you don't need them necessarily and staying sober is better, but experimenting can be pretty beneficial. I do find people who have done (not abused) different drugs like mushrooms, salvia, dmt etc seem to be keyed in a little better to the "source".

Something I've always wondered about was if these drugs are like tapping into 'realms' that are there but we just can't initially perceive? I've had a few experiences where me and somebody else were experiencing the exact same trip/visuals at the same times. lots of sleep dep makes me wonder about stuff like that too, with the hallucinations. who knows..

Although I don't do drugs anymore.. I don't even smoke weed. I do prefer keepin my system clean and workin out more. I would probably try mush again in the right situation.

[Ghost Belushi]

Originally Posted by Goodfellow

Id have to say certain drugs are key in opening spirituality/different perspectives.

If you do speedballs you can be a Ghost Goodfellow and we can be the Ghost House that haunts fnk with pranks and spooky tricks.

[Ragga_Wh0re]

so then is it the same stadard for people in manic episodes as it is for people high on mind altering substances?Or people with other mental illnesses?

I dont understand.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Ragga_Wh0re

I dont understand.

Because you can't conceive of drugs being anything other than a disease.

That doesn't make you enlightened.

[tiedye]

Originally Posted by Ragga_Wh0re

so then is it the same stadard for people in manic episodes as it is for people high on mind altering substances?Or people with other mental illnesses?

I dont understand.

Just because a state of mind doesn't function in our reality, doesn't mean it doesn't function in any reality. Size defeats us. We may just be one atom among billions of other making up an entirely different Universe. Likewise of all the atoms making up OUR Universe. "A race of gnats among an infinitude of races of gnats."

Now if our mind ascended into another plane of existence, don't you think it would be difficult to return? If you have seen something larger than this Universe, would you return comfortably and without repercussion?

And for the less perceptive, to avoid having to explain myself in the future, I am not stating this is fact. Merely food for thought.