Ryan Kesler just left the building

[Filo]

a little tidbit... he put up 8 points in the last 14 games

[Hot Karl]

Originally Posted by Filo

But, Kesler can easily become a #2 or even a #1 center in the future. He produced 10 goals as strictly a 3rd/4th line center with no powerplay time all year. At the end of the year last season he seemed like the only one on the team with any spark.

1.9 million is way overpaid for him, but with your second round pick you get for him, you are taking a gamble on a possibilty of an nhl player when you already have one that hasn't even reached close to his potential.

but you're wrong here. if kesler does what you expect him to do, then the canucks have fucked up by keeping him.

let's say ryan kesler doubles his #'s and becomes a respectable 2-3rd liner. which is what i think he'll top out at if he's lucky. so he gets 45pts. now we have to re-sign him to 1.9m minimum.

this is a team already close to the cap, so when another team comes by and outbids us because we can't afford to pay him any more then the 1.9m. now we've lost kesler for nothing while overpaying him a year. i think i'll take the 2nd rounder.

see the problem? the only way we keep kesler the next year is if he regresses. so i'd rather just let him go to philly, we get a 2nd rounder and we WOULD have signed carter in theory.

the reason this kesler thing looks even worse then it initially does is because this team didn't have an extra million to throw around.

[Filo]

I understand how stupid moves like this cause inflation. But realistically, this thing was a grudge thing by Bobby Clarke against Nonis. He was workin away for a Naslund deal and it didn't happen. I personally think that Bobby Clarke is the dumbest man in hockey after Harry Sinden.

Kesler with 45 pts would end up signing for the same amount. Stretch out an entire season of him gettin the ice time he was the last quarter of the season, he'll put up the numbers.

[Antenna_Boy]

they should have sent him to philly, let clarke spend his money on kess for a year, and after that year if kess was good, maybe then sign him depending on his productivity as a free agent?

[BongMan]

Sign him for what 3 mill - 3.5 haha no thanks this is what an arbitrator would probably award him now if he had a mediocer season.

[Mangle]

Originally Posted by Hot Karl

we could have had anson carter get an easy 30goals with the twins because markus naslund only has a limited window to get some success.

That's the best part. Apparently, Nonis and Carter were only one million dollars apart. Now Carter is a Blue Jacket and we give two million to a chump like Kesler?!?!?! Wouldn't the team have been way better off if we'd given Carter that extra mill and brought up a minor leager? I still say we should bring in Mike Keenan. Nonis is the Stephen Harper of hockey.

[Antenna_Boy]

so we are comparing production vs salary, or youth potential vs salary?
Actually, if you think about it...his stats are not THAT bad at all:
Kesler, 21, is coming off of his first full season in the NHL, recording 10 goals, two of which were game-winners, and 13 assists (10-13-23) to go along with 79 penalty minutes in 82 games played. In 110 career games with the Canucks, Kesler has tallied 12 goals, 16 assists (12-16-28) and 95 penalty minutes.

The 6-foot-2, 205 pound native of Livonia

[Mangle]

^^^ Well, we'll see this year, won't we? He's our starting right winger.

[KenJi]

^ our starting right winger. You mean top line right winger.

I am pretty sure Naslund is gonna take that spot. He is moving from left wing to right which is actually the position he has played for most of his season.

if your talking about something completely different than i apologize

[Antenna_Boy]

^no Kenji, Naslund has ALWAYS been a left winger...he is possibly moving to RIGHT wing to fill in the void of the late Todd Bertuzzi.

And we are most likely going to see kesler right wing on the second line with the sedins?

[sNyx]

I read today Kesler was down in Seattle hanging out the WHL team while the trade dealos were being finalized. "check out these 1.9's ladies" lol

pimpin :p

[Goodfellow]

ughhhhhhhhh I still can't believe carter is gone and we have kess for 2 mil. the magic of the sedin line will be gone I think to a point. they were our only hope for a strong offensive line IMO. Not to mention all the cap space wasted on mitchell. Nonis is a freakin retard.

[Mangle]

Originally Posted by Antenna_Boy

^no Kenji, Naslund has ALWAYS been a left winger...he is possibly moving to RIGHT wing to fill in the void of the late Todd Bertuzzi.

Which would make room for Jan Bulis on the first line. It's going to be a long, long year.

[Antenna_Boy]

Originally Posted by Goodfellow

ughhhhhhhhh I still can't believe carter is gone and we have kess for 2 mil. the magic of the sedin line will be gone I think to a point. they were our only hope for a strong offensive line IMO. Not to mention all the cap space wasted on mitchell. Nonis is a freakin retard.

Do you think this Carter thing has anything to do with being a probable prequal to the Survivor Island series this season? I mean, think about it....the first person to be sent away from the island was one of the black ethnic groups...and carter was sent packing from vancouver. Hmmmm, something strange is happening around here. Hahahah, yeah, canucks...survivor vancouver canucks! I can just see the drama :mexitoke: I have too much time on my hands I know :(

[Goodfellow]

Originally Posted by Antenna_Boy

Do you think this Carter thing has anything to do with being a probable prequal to the Survivor Island series this season? I mean, think about it....the first person to be sent away from the island was one of the black ethnic groups...and carter was sent packing from vancouver. Hmmmm, something strange is happening around here. Hahahah, yeah, canucks...survivor vancouver canucks! I can just see the drama :mexitoke: I have too much time on my hands I know :(

Yes, yes you do :p

The only good thing I guess, is carter won't do that great on any other team. Without the magic of the sedins around him, I don't see him producing much and he's gettin near the end of his career.

still would way rather have him than mitchell+kessler , or any other combo we could have gave up to have carter.

[omega_image]

^you don't think carter/nash is going to be a 1/2 punch?

i see him having a decent year, maybe not a 30 goal year, but probably still a 50/60 point season.

[Mangle]

^^^ At least Jan Bulis is good for 40 points on the first line, eh?

[omega_image]

thats it cooke doesnt get the job

[Mangle]

Originally Posted by omega_image

thats it cooke doesnt get the job

I'd love to see Cooke on the first line, but our head coach is French.

[Goodfellow]

Originally Posted by omega_image

^you don't think carter/nash is going to be a 1/2 punch?

i see him having a decent year, maybe not a 30 goal year, but probably still a 50/60 point season.

oh yeah forgot about nash..... yeah he should do pretty good with him.

[omega_image]

all in all, i think we came out pretty decent. (althought we should have kept richard park)

i would have also loved to have seen morrison moved, but for whom i cant really say.

i'm excited as fuck to see whats going to happen this year, every team looks fresh and ready to take it a step further. let the games begin!

[e_BoY]

Originally Posted by Antenna_Boy

^no Kenji, Naslund has ALWAYS been a left winger...he is possibly moving to RIGHT wing to fill in the void of the late Todd Bertuzzi.

And we are most likely going to see kesler right wing on the second line with the sedins?

love it when people think they got their facts striaght. Dont mess with ma man Kenji lol cause atenna boy u couldn't be more wrong. Heres the link to Naslunds interview with TSN

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=176646&hubname=nhl

and if ur too lazy to click and read heres a direct quote "The biggest deal Canucks GM Dave Nonis made over the summer was trading right-winger Todd Bertuzzi to Florida in a package that brought goaltender Roberto Luongo to Vancouver. This could result in Naslund being moved to Bertuzzi's wing from his spot on the left side.

"I don't have a problem with it," Naslund said. "I played right all the way until Crow (Crawford) put me on the left side. It might take a little while to really feel comfortable."

[Antenna_Boy]

Originally Posted by e_BoY

love it when people think they got their facts striaght. Dont mess with ma man Kenji lol cause atenna boy u couldn't be more wrong. Heres the link to Naslunds interview with TSN

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=176646&hubname=nhl

and if ur too lazy to click and read heres a direct quote "The biggest deal Canucks GM Dave Nonis made over the summer was trading right-winger Todd Bertuzzi to Florida in a package that brought goaltender Roberto Luongo to Vancouver. This could result in Naslund being moved to Bertuzzi's wing from his spot on the left side.

"I don't have a problem with it," Naslund said. "I played right all the way until Crow (Crawford) put me on the left side. It might take a little while to really feel comfortable."

Here is what Kenji said:

^ our starting right winger. You mean top line right winger.

I am pretty sure Naslund is gonna take that spot. He is moving from left wing to right which is actually the position he has played for most of his season.

if your talking about something completely different than i apologize

^From Kenji's remarks, you see the bold sentence there? Well, if you look at it, what is missing from it is the word "Bertuzzi". Rather than saying

he has played for most of his season.

, maybe replacing "his" with "Bertuzzi's"...otherwise it sounds like Naslund has been playing that wing for all that season.
If that is what Kenji meant, then it was MY mis-interpretation, and for that confusion I appologize. Sometimes clarity is important when you are adding information to a discussion. :)

Therefore in conclusion, Kenji was right, and I was right but I misread his sentence, no harm done :) Let's move on :mexitoke: hahaha

[KenJi]

Originally Posted by Antenna_Boy

Here is what Kenji said:


^From Kenji's remarks, you see the bold sentence there? Well, if you look at it, what is missing from it is the word "Bertuzzi". Rather than saying , maybe replacing "his" with "Bertuzzi's"...otherwise it sounds like Naslund has been playing that wing for all that season.
If that is what Kenji meant, then it was MY mis-interpretation, and for that confusion I appologize. Sometimes clarity is important when you are adding information to a discussion. :)

Therefore in conclusion, Kenji was right, and I was right but I misread his sentence, no harm done :) Let's move on :mexitoke: hahaha

I should have just said most of his hockey career.

i really hope naslund can just start his career. last year was a bit of a downer though he was trying hard for about 50% of the season.

plus his career isn't gonna be that much longer soo i hope he can really get it going this season. alot of this relies on how morisson plays as well.

[KenJi]

Originally Posted by omega_image

all in all, i think we came out pretty decent. (althought we should have kept richard park)

i would have also loved to have seen morrison moved, but for whom i cant really say.

i'm excited as fuck to see whats going to happen this year, every team looks fresh and ready to take it a step further. let the games begin!

Totally agree on the morisson being traded comment. I always said he should have been traded. Paying him excess of 3 mill for his less than 20 goals.

but now its too late and now we gotta gamble on morisson having a breakthrough season again. otherwise were gonna have to rely on the sedins again....